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UKWildcatFan
July 29, 2012, 07:55 PM
I wouldn't be using the scope for hunting or long range, so I think I want a red dot, right? Help me out here, folks. What is a holographic sight and what's its purpose? My budget is topped out at around $350, what should I go with?

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Batta
July 29, 2012, 08:00 PM
I would think for long range and hunting you would want a regular rifle scope. Like a Leupold 3-9x40 or somthing along those lines.

UKWildcatFan
July 29, 2012, 08:20 PM
I won't be hunting with it, though.

Cal-gun Fan
July 29, 2012, 08:41 PM
I think a 1-4x scope would be perfect for you! They're cool looking, good for close and medium (out to 300 yards or more, depending on your skill), and just great all-around scopes. My recommendation is the Leatherwood CMR. GREAT scope, illuminated reticule, I've used one on my AK for about a year now and absolutely love it. High quality optic, and a very fun/useful reticule. This deal on SWFA pairs it with a Burris PEPR mount for $330, perfect for your budget.
http://swfa.com/Leatherwood-1-4x24-CMR-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-Kit-P47565.aspx

10-96
July 29, 2012, 09:19 PM
Well that's kind of an interesting dilema. We don't know what kind of shooting you'll be doing, and you don't know what kind of scope you'll need.

Do you want cool, functional, rational, or a good combo of all three? We can give you recommendations all week long, right? But really, you won't know what really trips your trigger til you get an idea of what suits you best for your comfort, preference, and needs, right?

Here's my thought on the deal: Everybody ought to have a decent .22lr rifle- they're just fun and cheap to shoot. Ok, with that in mind, it'll eventually want to wear a scope too. Now, scopes are neat (especially with the likes of .22's and .223's) in that they are not a use once and throw away kinda deal. Why not go with a 3-9 or 4-12 Mueller, Konus, or other relatively fine crosshaired sporting scope that'll set you back $100 or less? You can have a basis for learning your own way around the world of optics, scopes, dots, etc. If you don't like the way the scope behaves on the AR, move it to the .22, trade it in at SWFA.com, either way- it's an investment and you'll be building your own knowledge based on your needs.

A red dot, will have very low magnification. A little light inside the body shines a dot, crosshair, or some design onto an inner lense and you sight it in the same as a scope. They tend to be great for larger targets and non-precise type shooting much beyond 100yds (in my opinion).

Hollowgraphs are a little rectangular body with an upright lense (like a screen) onto which the little light is shown onto. Again, great for tactical and relatively close shooting. No magnification that I am aware of. And again, not much good for precise target work beyond 100yds (in my opinion).

I live out in West Texas and shoot high power rifle, coyotes, and prairied dogs- my idea of percision and accurate shooting is to hit little things as far as my ctg, rifle, and personal abilities will allow. So, my idea of what a AR or any rifle needs my not gee-haw with yours at all. That's why I rambled on the way I did in the start of my post. I think it's much better all the way around for you to learn what suits you best instead of 20-100 guys telling you what you need. Do you really want to end up spending your wad on a purchase and always wonder, "Hmm, is this the best choice I could have made?" Nothing is wrong with cheap when you're still in your learning mode.

floorit76
July 29, 2012, 09:20 PM
Just put an Eotech 512 holographic site on Saturday. I can't imagine how anyone could be disapointed in it. The guy on ebay had a couple left for $360 shipped.

UKWildcatFan
July 29, 2012, 09:37 PM
Thx, guys. Good info here.

Eb1
July 29, 2012, 09:47 PM
SWFA 10X for 300-600 yards shots.

bushmaster1313
July 29, 2012, 10:46 PM
Leupold 1-4x20mm with turkeyplex reticle (very thick duplex)

I like it but I am thinking of getting a red dot just for the variety.

http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj603/bushmaster1313/CIMG1023.jpg

chaser_2332
July 29, 2012, 10:52 PM
just shoot irons untill u figure out what u need, it sounds like you are really need some trigger time and some more knowlege before you go blowing money on some internet suggestions

Eb1
July 29, 2012, 11:03 PM
just shoot irons untill u figure out what u need, it sounds like you are really need some trigger time and some more knowlege before you go blowing money on some internet suggestions



+1

It is easy to hit 600 yards targets with the stock irons. I actually do not put any scopes, dots, or other aiming devices accept what I know will hold a zero on my AR-15s, and I don't have any issue hanging with the Rem 700 SPS .308 guys out to 600 yards.
At 300 yards it is like shooting a .22 LR at 50 yards with a 6x scope, but you are using what came with the rifle. The AR-15 platform is accurate, and well designed to shoot accurately at distance and up close. If you setup the rifle using the Improved BZO method. You will be pretty much dead on with the markers on the sights. 0-300 are the rear sight is left flat on the bottom. Then past 300 yards just use the markers. Shooting at 540 yards with M193 or M855 my settings are 5 +2 clicks. Hits every time.

I agree that shooting with the A2 sights will do you very well, and you can impress all you buddies when you easily nail steel at distance.

Gimmered
July 29, 2012, 11:19 PM
Well that's kind of an interesting dilema. We don't know what kind of shooting you'll be doing, and you don't know what kind of scope you'll need.

Do you want cool, functional, rational, or a good combo of all three? We can give you recommendations all week long, right? But really, you won't know what really trips your trigger til you get an idea of what suits you best for your comfort, preference, and needs, right?

Here's my thought on the deal: Everybody ought to have a decent .22lr rifle- they're just fun and cheap to shoot. Ok, with that in mind, it'll eventually want to wear a scope too. Now, scopes are neat (especially with the likes of .22's and .223's) in that they are not a use once and throw away kinda deal. Why not go with a 3-9 or 4-12 Mueller, Konus, or other relatively fine crosshaired sporting scope that'll set you back $100 or less? You can have a basis for learning your own way around the world of optics, scopes, dots, etc. If you don't like the way the scope behaves on the AR, move it to the .22, trade it in at SWFA.com, either way- it's an investment and you'll be building your own knowledge based on your needs.

A red dot, will have very low magnification. A little light inside the body shines a dot, crosshair, or some design onto an inner lense and you sight it in the same as a scope. They tend to be great for larger targets and non-precise type shooting much beyond 100yds (in my opinion).

Hollowgraphs are a little rectangular body with an upright lense (like a screen) onto which the little light is shown onto. Again, great for tactical and relatively close shooting. No magnification that I am aware of. And again, not much good for precise target work beyond 100yds (in my opinion).

I live out in West Texas and shoot high power rifle, coyotes, and prairied dogs- my idea of percision and accurate shooting is to hit little things as far as my ctg, rifle, and personal abilities will allow. So, my idea of what a AR or any rifle needs my not gee-haw with yours at all. That's why I rambled on the way I did in the start of my post. I think it's much better all the way around for you to learn what suits you best instead of 20-100 guys telling you what you need. Do you really want to end up spending your wad on a purchase and always wonder, "Hmm, is this the best choice I could have made?" Nothing is wrong with cheap when you're still in your learning mode.
I'd second an inexpensive 3X9. They add a lot to the gun from my point of view.

TonyAngel
July 30, 2012, 12:13 AM
To say that you have an AR is a very general characterization of the rifle. Is it a carbine or rifle length? I have dots and scopes for my rifles since each has its strong points. Whether or not you need magnification will depend on how far out you want to shoot and how small your targets are.

As mentioned above, you really need to get some trigger time. It's a bit unusual to ask others whether you need a dot sight or something magnified. Only you can answer that question. Go out and shoot and you'll figure out what you need pretty quickly.

Once you figure it out, you'll be able to ask more specific questions, like which red dot you should go with; or which scope you should go with.

I run an ACOG 1.5X dot sight on my carbine and can bang steel at 200 yards pretty easily. Now golf balls at 200 are another matter.

rondog
July 30, 2012, 12:34 AM
Check out the Nikon M-223 and P-223 series scopes, they're made especially for AR's, several different varieties and configurations. A guy on a local board just offered a Nikon P-223, with rings, for $125 and I just committed to it a few minute ago.

Manny
July 30, 2012, 01:33 AM
Just put an Eotech 512 holographic site on Saturday. I can't imagine how anyone could be disapointed in it. The guy on ebay had a couple left for $360 shipped.
This. I have a 512 on mine with a fixed front sight and a RRA Dominator mount. The fine 1 moa center dot is very sharp and allows for very fine precision work and the large 65 moa circle helps get on target very fast. The Dominator mount allows for excellent co-witness with the iron sights, alltogether a very capable and versital sighting system.

TonyAngel
July 30, 2012, 03:11 AM
You guys with the 512s, how many rounds do you have through your rifles with those sights? I'm asking because I've killed about half a dozen of those 511s and 512s. I gave away the last one that I had. Maybe I'm just too rough on my equipment.

Since people are making recommendations, I'd have to give my nod to some flavor of Aimpoint. They are more reliable and have far better battery life.

Batta
July 30, 2012, 06:44 AM
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My apologies I misread your op

Davek1977
July 30, 2012, 07:26 AM
I THOUGHT I wanted a red dot sight. I bought the Primary Arms Micro, and while I was impressed with the sight itself, it WASN'T what I needed. Later, I purchased a Redfield Revolution 2x7x33, and I am VERY hapy with the current setup.

jmr40
July 30, 2012, 07:28 AM
I have 4 AR's set up very differently for different uses. One with irons only, one with a 2-8X scope for long range, one with a red dot, and one with a 1-4X scope. All 4 have a front sight with a flip up rear back up sight that sits under, the optic. If I could only have 1, it would be the one with the 1-4X glass and back up irons.

A low powered optic is far superior for close range SD type shooting than irons. And with the ability to adjust the scope to 4X is more than capable at longer ranges. This is what most of the guys who shoot 3 gun competiton use. If it works for the, it works for me.

madcratebuilder
July 30, 2012, 08:07 AM
I have 4 AR's set up very differently for different uses. One with irons only, one with a 2-8X scope for long range, one with a red dot, and one with a 1-4X scope. All 4 have a front sight with a flip up rear back up sight that sits under, the optic. If I could only have 1, it would be the one with the 1-4X glass and back up irons.

A low powered optic is far superior for close range SD type shooting than irons. And with the ability to adjust the scope to 4X is more than capable at longer ranges. This is what most of the guys who shoot 3 gun competiton use. If it works for the, it works for me.
I agree. When I introduce new AR shooters I start with irons and then go to the 1-4 scope. I get very positive feedback about the 1-4's.

The red dots are great for close up work.

awgrizzly
July 31, 2012, 01:40 AM
If you aren't looking for magnification, just a sight that is extremely fast to aim, the red dot or holograph is tops. Another feature is that you can also see your iron sights through the red dot scope. On the downside, you have to turn it on to use it and it has batteries that go dead. If you get one like the Vortex Strike Fire it comes with a 2x screw on magnifier. A 1 to 4 power variable scope will be almost as good and it doesn't need power to be used. If you want magnification at all this might be the way to go. Just be sure to mount it high enough on an AR so you can see through it quickly, + about 1-1/2 inches above the top of the receiver rail.

mdauben
July 31, 2012, 01:03 PM
I wouldn't be using the scope for hunting or long range, so I think I want a red dot, right?
Following some on-line recomendations I put a Lucid HD7 Red Dot Sight (http://mylucidgear.com/reddot.php) on my AR not long after I bought it and have been pretty happy with it. It's got multiple "dots", auto shutoff, auto- and manual brightness and is lower 1/3 co-witness (you see the iron sights in the lower 1/3 of the optic, but they don't coincide with the point of aim, which I prefer.) IT also has an optional 2x adapter, if you decide you need a little magnification.

The MSRP is $250 but I believe you can currently pick them up for around $200.

SilentStalker
July 31, 2012, 01:53 PM
Why not use both? I have a scope on all of my AR's and plan on angle mounting a red dot on them as well. This way you get the best of both worlds. I can also say that a 1x-4x scope can put you out at some good distance and still have very good wide angle views for quick target acquisition.

TonyAngel
July 31, 2012, 01:59 PM
Yes, you can do both and the red dot on an angle mount and it does work, if you NEED it; but there's nothing comfortable about shooting with a red dot on a 45* mount.

I'd say, get both though. Start with a red dot and get a magnified optic for it later.

Hunterdad
July 31, 2012, 03:37 PM
Burris Tac30 would fit the bill.

readyeddy
July 31, 2012, 04:33 PM
Another vote for a 3-9X. That's what I have on my AR. The fancy red dots just don't do it for me. If I want to shoot fast, I set it at 3X. How much faster can you get? And when I want to shoot 500 yards, I crank it up to 8 or 9. Nice to have both capabilities.

TonyAngel
July 31, 2012, 05:11 PM
Actually, unless you are very well practiced, a red dot is going to be a LOT faster at closer distances than a 3-9X; but on the other hand, even if very well practiced, assuming equal amounts of practice, the red dot is always going to be faster, especially in non conventional shooting positions.

henschman
August 1, 2012, 12:35 PM
I have a Leatherwood CMR 1-4x24 that is brand new in the box... I will cut you a deal on it if you are interested. It works well at close range on the 1x setting, and can be cranked up to 4x if you need some magnification for spotting or smaller targets.

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