The Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act


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ezkl2230
July 30, 2012, 05:19 PM
Offered today by Democratic Senator Frank Lautenberg and Democratic Representative Carolyn McCarthy. It "aims [an interesting word choice - added] to restrict the ability of Americans to buy unlimited quantities of ammunition over the Internet, or by mail order, anonymously." It requires the following:


anyone selling ammunition must be a licensed dealer.
ammunition buyers who are not licensed dealers must present photo identification at the time of purchase, effectively banning the online or mail order purchase of ammo by regular civilians.
licensed ammunition dealers must maintain records of the sale of ammunition.
licensed ammunition dealers must report the sale of more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition to an unlicensed person within any five consecutive business days.


Obama has publicly said that he believes in the Second Amendment, "But he also believes that we should take robust steps, within existing law, to ensure that guns don't fall in the hands of criminals or others who shouldn't have them." You can guess which belief is the stronger of the two. White House gives cool welcome to bill restricting online ammo sales | The Ticket - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/white-house-gives-cool-welcome-bill-restricting-online-182934423.html)

There is a saying that applies to the laws that come out of these situations: "hard cases make for bad law." Any laws developed right now will do nothing but infringe on our Second Amendment rights.

Folks, it is time once again to burn up the lines to Washington and pack the email inboxes to let our legislators know we expect them to vote this legislation down. We cannot let this legislation pass.

UPDATE - BILL NUMBERS HAVE NOW BEEN ASSIGNED: S. 3458/H.R.6241.

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Spats McGee
July 30, 2012, 10:08 PM
How do you get ammo delivered if you buy it anonymously? :confused:

Blondie
July 30, 2012, 10:15 PM
I just emailed the following to my senators:

I just read that policitians from New York and New Jersey introduced legislation in Congress today to ban the online sale of ammunition. I strongly disagree with such a proposed law because (1) it will not stop criminals from obtaining ammunition and committing crimes; (2) it is already illegal for convicted felons to possess ammunition; (3) it will decrease competition in the marketplace for ammunition which will cause higher prices; and (4) this is just another attempt to make it harder for law-abiding citizens to exercise their rights.

While I am in favor of aggresively enforcing current laws against criminals after they commit crimes, we should not pass laws that will just restrict the rights of otherwise law-abiding people. Accordingly, and on behalf of the people of __________, please vote no on this proposed legislation. I will also be contacting Senator _________ to also ask them to vote no. Thank you.

WALKERs210
July 30, 2012, 10:21 PM
I just read an article about this and have been surprised that it didn't happen sooner. Will defiantly send snail and E mail to my reps in DC.

ezkl2230
July 30, 2012, 10:22 PM
I just emailed the following to my senators:

I just read that policitians from New York and New Jersey introduced legislation in Congress today to ban the online sale of ammunition. I strongly disagree with such a proposed law because (1) it will not stop criminals from obtaining ammunition and committing crimes; (2) it is already illegal for convicted felons to possess ammunition; (3) it will decrease competition in the marketplace for ammunition which will cause higher prices; and (4) this is just another attempt to make it harder for law-abiding citizens to exercise their rights.

While I am in favor of aggresively enforcing current laws against criminals after they commit crimes, we should not pass laws that will just restrict the rights of otherwise law-abiding people. Accordingly, and on behalf of the people of __________, please vote no on this proposed legislation. I will also be contacting Senator _________ to also ask them to vote no. Thank you.
Very nice!

ezkl2230
July 30, 2012, 10:26 PM
I just emailed the following to my senators:

I just read that policitians from New York and New Jersey introduced legislation in Congress today to ban the online sale of ammunition. I strongly disagree with such a proposed law because (1) it will not stop criminals from obtaining ammunition and committing crimes; (2) it is already illegal for convicted felons to possess ammunition; (3) it will decrease competition in the marketplace for ammunition which will cause higher prices; and (4) this is just another attempt to make it harder for law-abiding citizens to exercise their rights.

While I am in favor of aggresively enforcing current laws against criminals after they commit crimes, we should not pass laws that will just restrict the rights of otherwise law-abiding people. Accordingly, and on behalf of the people of __________, please vote no on this proposed legislation. I will also be contacting Senator _________ to also ask them to vote no. Thank you.
Very nice! Do you mind if I use some of this?

hso
July 30, 2012, 10:28 PM
Point out that ammunition has never been an issue in mass shootings and it wasn't in the Aurora shooting. Holmes couldn't even carry the ammunition he ordered much less use it in Aurora. These proposed legislation attempts are using the blood of innocents to fuel their agendas. These people are political ghouls.

Blondie
July 30, 2012, 10:33 PM
Everyone - please use as much or as little of my above-referenced email! I think we need to unite and oppose the wave of legislation that a very few (Schumer, McCarthy, etc.) in the minority on this issue are proposing.

Hacker15E
July 30, 2012, 11:00 PM
What problem is this supposed to "solve"?

This is related to the anti-firearms' community's having convinced the American public that anything more than one firearm owned by an individual is an "arsenal" and that quantities of ammunition are an indicator of ill intent.

More feel-good legislation from people who ignore individual rights.

cyclopsshooter
July 30, 2012, 11:04 PM
Be cool when writing letters, don't come off as the Yosemite Sams they think we are. And at the very least, please use spell check.

Barr
July 31, 2012, 12:11 AM
For all the reloaders out there:

If they pass legislation about large ammo purchases, large reloading orders will be next to be targeted. Having to defend why you need more than 8 lbs of gun powder and 5000 primers will become the norm. It just sounds like a normal visit to a gun show to stock up to me!

hso
July 31, 2012, 01:14 AM
The following senators went on record prior to the UN Small Arms Treaty meeting this past week that they would oppose it. They're probably a good core to start with asking that this unrelated and disingenuous amendment not be entered into any legislation.

Lamar Alexander (R-TN), Kelly Ayotte (R-NH), Max Baucus (D-MT), John Barrasso (R-WY), Mark Begich (D-AK), Roy Blunt (R-MO), John Boozman (R-AR), Richard Burr (R-NC), Bob Casey (D-PA), Dan Coats (R-IN), Tom Coburn (R-OK), Thad Cochran (R-MS), Susan Collins (R-ME), Bob Corker (R-TN), John Cornyn (R-TX), Saxby Chambliss (R-GA), Mike Crapo (R-ID), Jim DeMint (R-SC), Mike Enzi (R-WY), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Dean Heller (R-NV), John Hoeven (R-ND), Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), James Inhofe (R-OK), Johnny Isakson (R-GA), Mike Johanns (R-NE), Ron Johnson (R-WI), Jon Kyl (R-AZ), Mike Lee (R-UT), Joe Manchin (D-WV), Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Jerry Moran (R-KS), Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Rand Paul (R-KY), Rob Portman (R-OH), Mark Pryor (D-AR), Jim Risch (R-ID), Pat Roberts (R-KS), Marco Rubio (R-FL), Jeff Sessions (R-AL), Richard Shelby (R-AL), Olympia Snowe (R-ME), Jon Tester (D-MT), John Thune (R-SD), Pat Toomey (R-PA), David Vitter (R-LA), Jim Webb (D-VA), and Roger Wicker (R-MS).

Centurian22
July 31, 2012, 05:50 AM
Emails sent to both senators and both representatives for Maine. Thank you Blondie for the well written letter, and HSO for the addition. Lautenberg is laying it on thick this week! Keep up the good work everyone!

alsaqr
July 31, 2012, 10:35 AM
First, Schumer did not author S. A. 2575; Lautenberg did. The proposed ban on internet sales of ammunition is not " hidden in the cybersecurity bill" or any other bill. S. A. 2575 is a proposed amendment to an existing bill; S. 3414. It has to be voted on. This proposed amendment by Lautenberg has received a cool reception at the white house.

Currently S. A. 2575 has seven co-sponsors, all the usual suspects. Its going nowhere. Yes, write to your pro-gun senators.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas

Old Fuff
July 31, 2012, 12:11 PM
Oh, I think it's a great idea! :what:

Sen. Lautenberg's bill isn't likely to go anywhere, and the Senate's Democrat leadership is outside kicking a wall in frustration. What the bill will do is scare a whole lot of people into buying large quantities of ammunition they don't want or really need because they are worried (with some justification) that if the bill did become a law this would be they're last chance to stock up. So business will be brisk at gun shows, local retailers and even on the 'net.

At the same time these buyers will be looking for someone to release their frustrations and fury on, and a likely target will be Democrat cadidates running for election or re-election in November. What they might like to do to Lautenberg and his handful of supporters is something I don't want to think about.

The whole affair won't hurt the NRA's quest for money to fund its war chest either. ;)

Spats McGee
July 31, 2012, 12:25 PM
There are a couple of new gun control items out there, and while I don't really think any of them has much of a chance of passage, I would agree that now is the time to get active. Write to your senators and representatives. If you don't know who your people are, go look here:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

Also, here's what I sent in. You may all feel free to copy, paste, plagiarize and edit as you see fit:
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Dear ______,
By way of introduction, my name is ______, and I am an attorney in _____, Arkansas. In fact, I am many things: husband, father, attorney, hunter, and gun owner, just to name a few. I have been following legal developments in Washington for quite some time, and, in particular, those events that might impact my rights under the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, and its counterpart under the Arkansas Constitution.

I have recently read that several disturbing bills and amendments have been offered in the wake of the Aurora, Colorado, shooting, including: (1) an amendment to a Cybersecurity bill which would affect possession or transfer of magazines with a capacity greater than ten rounds; and (2) a bill which would effectively ban internet ammunition sales by requiring presentation of photo identification and record-keeping on ammunition sales. While I certainly grieve for the families that lost loved ones in Aurora, Colorado, and in the other mass shootings that have occurred, I urge you to oppose bills such as those listed with all of the resources at your disposal. The problem with mass shooters is typically a mental health issue more than anything. I liken bills such as the ones I listed to a bill that would make it more difficult for sober drivers to purchase cars, on the theory that some other person might drive while intoxicated. Neither violent criminals nor the mentally ill can reasonably be expected to obey any such law. Only law-abiding citizens will be adversely affected. I believe the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports on cities such as New York, Chicago, and Washington D.C., which have some of the most stringent gun control laws in the country, will bear out my assertion that gun control laws do not decrease violent crime, but only disarm potential victims.

Thank you for your time and attention in this.

Cordially,
INSERT YOUR NAME HERE

hso
July 31, 2012, 12:50 PM
Let's try to keep our issues sorted.

The Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act ammo ban that's in the news proposed by Senator Lautenberg and Representative McCarthy is separate from the mag ban.
http://www.lautenberg.senate.gov/new....cfm?id=337363



As alsqr pointed out the proposed mag ban amendment is here http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-20...1-3.pdf#page=3 and it is important to cite the bill, but also to express general opposition to any further restrictions on firearms, ammunition and accessories for the exceptionally rare behavior of a madman. -

It applies to S 3414
SA 2575. Mr. LAUTENBERG (for himself,
Mrs. BOXER, Mr. REED, Mr. MENENDEZ,
Mrs. GILLIBRAND, Mr. SCHUMER,
and Mrs. FEINSTEIN) submitted an
amendment intended to be proposed by
him to the bill S. 3414, to enhance the
security and resiliency of the cyber and
communications infrastructure of the
United States; which was ordered to lie
on the table; as follows:
At the appropriate place, insert the following
SEC. ll. PROHIBITION ON TRANSFER OR POSSESSION
OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION
FEEDING DEVICES.

Hypnogator
July 31, 2012, 01:23 PM
At the same time these buyers will be looking for someone to release their frustrations and fury on, and a likely target will be Democrat cadidates running for election or re-election in November. What they might like to do to Lautenberg and his handful of supporters is something I don't want to think about.

What they might like to do to Lautenberg and his handful of supporters is something I do want to think about.

There, fixed it for ya! :evil:

In this close an election, the shameless politicizing of the Aurora tragedy by some of the Democratic Party's extreme anti-gun left wing could be the deciding factor come November. We should all do our best to publicize the absurdity of anti-gun proposals in general: "Some guy shot the President with a pistol -- Let's ban assault weapons!" "Some guy used a 100-rd drum that jammed -- Let's make him use 10-rd magazines that don't jam!" Some guy bought 6,000 rds of ammunition on line -- Let's restrict him to the number of rounds he could actually carry!" :what::eek::banghead::banghead::banghead:

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