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Red Cent
July 30, 2012, 08:20 PM
What do you think of the guy and his rifle?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/26/why-own-assault-rifle/?intcmp=obnetwork

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GhostlyKarliion
July 30, 2012, 08:28 PM
I think this guy has spent too much time in illinois, his article reeks of elitism, thinking the police are better trained than any ccl holder is just ludicrous.

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foghornl
July 30, 2012, 08:32 PM
I read as much as I could, untill I got dizzy............

holdencm9
July 30, 2012, 08:34 PM
Ugh. Another person who thinks your average concealed weapon permit holder is useless in every way and your average police officer is "Jack Bauer" (to borrow from his article).

I have no doubt that some cops can shoot circles around me. But I would imagine the "average" isn't significantly better, and may even be worse. Actually their biggest advantage is probably that they have a service-size weapon and not a pocket pistol or subcompact...all the more reason for me to carry as big of weapon as possible.

Any LEO's chime in on what it takes to qualify? Not talking SWAT people, just your average run of the mill cop (not to take away anything from your average run of the mill cop, I appreciate what they do, but you get what I mean).

Craigman
July 30, 2012, 08:38 PM
He is not very confident with his rifle. His "shut up" title rants make him look like less credible and his fellow gunowners look bad


Tip: an explanation of link would be appropriate. Most wont click without one.

kcshooter
July 30, 2012, 08:42 PM
He can shut up.

gunnutery
July 30, 2012, 08:55 PM
Okay, call me illiterate, but I read the foxnews bit, then clicked the "see the full article" and I still haven't seen the bit about WHY he owns an "assault rifle."

Other than that, I didn't care for the article. It was too in your face and a little exagerated in some bits.

Robert
July 30, 2012, 09:01 PM
Or you can read his blog where he explains some of this and clears up some things. Not saying I agree or anything, just that the story on Fox is not all there is...
http://blog.frankmtaylor.com/2012/07/21/yes-you-can-shutup-about-colorado-and-keep-your-opinions-on-gun-control-to-yourself/

Infidel4life11
July 30, 2012, 09:24 PM
He has a point though fellas, your average “minute of beer can” civilian and even a good % of CCL holders never plan to use their guns they are for the "just in case" style of thinking. There is a ton of people out there running their mouths about how "if I was there things would have been different" however they weren't there and I can promise they've probably never been shot at. Not every gun owner out there are the professionals like us. I've never felt bad about pressing my trigger with an enemy on the business end of my weapon. Not everyone with a gun has our mindset, I see Soldiers on a daily basis that have never been in an altercation a large % of Americans haven't either. Just a thought y'all.

HOOfan_1
July 30, 2012, 09:31 PM
He can shut up.

Exactly what I thought after reading most of his headings...

DefiantDad
July 30, 2012, 09:51 PM
I don't understand his point of view.

He begins by saying basically that gun control is nonsense because no law can control a criminal, but then wraps up by saying responsible citizens who legally own firearms are impotent to stop threats with guns.

So, what? Guns and thousands of hours of training are, in fact, useless in the face of a real threat, AND we should not bother to outlaw guns?

Doesn't have much logic to what he is saying. Seems more like an anti-gun piece than anything (i.e., saying that responsible people with guns are useless anyway, negating any argument that responsible people with guns are important to society).

JagerRanger
July 30, 2012, 09:57 PM
Good post.

He has a point though fellas, your average “minute of beer can” civilian and even a good % of CCL holders never plan to use their guns they are for the "just in case" style of thinking. There is a ton of people out there running their mouths about how "if I was there things would have been different" however they weren't there and I can promise they've probably never been shot at. Not every gun owner out there are the professionals like us. I've never felt bad about pressing my trigger with an enemy on the business end of my weapon. Not everyone with a gun has our mindset, I see Soldiers on a daily basis that have never been in an altercation a large % of Americans haven't either. Just a thought y'all.

Adam123
July 30, 2012, 10:04 PM
His ability to make a clear overall point is lackluster.

meanmrmustard
July 30, 2012, 10:13 PM
No credibility found in that article. Guess I should just shut up:D

Red Cent
July 30, 2012, 10:20 PM
I read it twice and quit. One more time and I would have thrown the beer c........

He puts all of us in his box.

And I read the article that "clears things up". He still clings to some of his half empty, I know I'm not proficient and you're not either beliefs.

Exasperating.

meanmrmustard
July 30, 2012, 10:24 PM
I read it twice and quit. One more time and I would have thrown the beer c........

He puts all of us in his box.

And I read the article that "clears things up". He still clings to some of his half empty, I know I'm not proficient and you're not either beliefs.

Exasperating.
As did I. Still, I find the whole thing pointless. He doesn't know me, my views, ethics, or primal reasoning. I think this gentleman should probably seek employment with MSNBC.

Trent
July 30, 2012, 10:42 PM
Based on what I read here, I'm not going to read the article. I already have enough stress in my life. :)

loose noose
July 30, 2012, 10:43 PM
Having 4 years in the USMC spending 13 months in Vietnam, being involved in Law Enforcement for over 36 years, being involved in 4 shootings as a Police Officer not to mention the fire fights as a Marine, reckon I should just shut up.:banghead:

Okiegunner
July 30, 2012, 10:44 PM
Question???

Do you guys REALLY think this fella is the firearm owner that he states he is?

After all, he does own an "assault rifle" (full auto...really?)

He does make a couple of "kind of" points, sort of, then seems to veer into a liberal anti-gun carry diatribe. I could be wrong, but I would bet a little money that this guy is not quite who, and not quite what, he states himself to be.

Gunner

DefiantDad
July 30, 2012, 10:59 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armour-piercing_discarding_sabot

The payload is the final anti-gun ammo for antis ;-)

fehhkk
July 30, 2012, 11:00 PM
Annoying use of the term assault rifle. Plus the caption on the picture was all wrong. "assault rifle cartridges?"

Hacker15E
July 30, 2012, 11:03 PM
So...why don't some of you more educated, enlightened, and eloquent folks write articles to more effectively articulate your positions, and get those published on a major news outlet?

Trent
July 30, 2012, 11:19 PM
So...why don't some of you more educated, enlightened, and eloquent folks write articles to more effectively articulate your positions, and get those published on a major news outlet?


Because we're a bunch of illeterate pickup truck drivin bambi killing gun nuts who beat our wifes and drink a lot of beer and fish and make up war stories and ...

Did I mention killing bambi?

TrickyDick
July 30, 2012, 11:19 PM
I kind've found it insulting that he insinuates that people who conceal carry don't practice the task of drawing their weapon or placing quick accurate shots on target. there's been numerous occasions where CCW holders stopped or prevented a crime by utilizing their firearm. It makes me sick to think his idea is that the civilian population just grab their guns to just randomly shoot at a wall. Their are mighty fine civilian shooters who could shoot circles around LEO/military personnel. i served 6 years, and i knew more than enough fellow soldiers who could barely proficiently use their weapon. just because someone wheres a uniform doesn't automatically mean they're "Jason Bourne".

Infidel4life11
July 30, 2012, 11:25 PM
I agree with you guys we are getting put in a box of the "own guns people" but again I don't believe he is talking about "the high road" most of us walk a higher path in life. We have honor and our guns are our tools. Even newbies come HERE asking for our opinions. Should his write up offend us, hell yeah. Was it pointed at us, probably not. The 2nd amendment we hold so dear protects his 1st amendment everyday. God bless America and don't let this silliness under your skin. Nothing to waste a good beer over.

Snag
July 30, 2012, 11:46 PM
Sounds like he thinks he's special. After that he's got a couple facts wrong, and the rest is just opinion.

MachIVshooter
July 31, 2012, 12:15 AM
He can shut up.

That was my thought about 2.87 paragraphs into the blog. In general, people are far more dangerous exercising 1st amendment rights than 2nd. This guy makes that point in spades, and he won't be well received on either side of the debate.

gbeecher
July 31, 2012, 12:01 PM
His argument is not logical and makes no sense. What is the point he is trying to make? Criminals do not obey gun laws - that is why they are 'criminals'. A citizen has a right to defend themselves and others. I heard in the Colorado movie theatre shooting, it took police 20 minutes to arrive!? Do you think the American pioneers or the Poles in the Warsaw ghetto of WWII took gun classes or proficiency training?! Blah, blah, blah! Wake up America! :banghead:

MachIVshooter
July 31, 2012, 12:17 PM
I heard in the Colorado movie theatre shooting, it took police 20 minutes to arrive!?

You heard wrong. They were there less than 2 minutes after the 911 calls started coming in.

Not that it really matters, since the shooter was done by then. They certainly weren't able to prevent anything.

josiewales
July 31, 2012, 01:46 PM
:cuss::banghead::eek::confused::rolleyes::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

jehu
August 1, 2012, 09:14 AM
The fact of the matter is, if one or more armed citizens had been present and started to throw lead back at the shooter it would have at least thrown him off his perverted misson and diverted his fire or at best taken him out.

henschman
August 1, 2012, 10:49 AM
That author makes several very broad generalizations about gun owners and self defense practitioners, which are completely unsubstantiated. Also he tries to make the claim that concealed carry is legal and highly prevalent in the area where the shooting took place, but he is apparently unaware that CO is without a preemption law, and the city of Aurora prohibits concealed carry. Altogether a terribly researched article with a strongly asserted yet ignorant opinion.

BTW his two claims are not contradictory... you can believe both that gun control doesn't work and self-defense doesn't work. Of course his arguments are ineffectual, but I think it threw some of you off because those are two claims that are usually made from opposite sides of the "usual" debate on gun control.

Jeeping
August 1, 2012, 12:16 PM
Texas is the only state in the union where open carry is illegal (the ability to carry a gun in public for all to see).
Thats where I stopped reading, guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
In Kentucky open carry is legal, and at least few more.

NeuseRvrRat
August 1, 2012, 12:33 PM
^read the statement again. he says OC is illegal in Texas, which is true. however, i don't know if it's the only state where OC is illegal.

MachIVshooter
August 1, 2012, 02:26 PM
however, i don't know if it's the only state where OC is illegal.

It's not, and there are also many localities within states that prohibit OC. Here in CO, it's lawful everywhere but Denver on account of our preemption laws (Denver gets "Home rule" :rolleyes:). States without preemption have an ugly map of go/no-go zones.

Welding Rod
August 1, 2012, 03:57 PM
The author give way too much credit to military and police in general.

There are certainly plenty of excellent / expert / professional shooters among the military and LEO community. I take nothing away from them. However in my experience I would put more faith in the skills of my civilian gun enthusiast friends than the average LEO or soldier.

HKGuns
August 1, 2012, 10:03 PM
There are at least 8 examples each month in front of American Rifleman that prove this tool wrong. Some of them quite senior in stature. His age and use of the term "Assault Rifle" should clue you in to his relative experience. I suppose he really thinks he's experienced at only 31. Ha!

Yes, someone competent carrying in that situation "could" have made a difference. They also could have run screaming out of the building. Instead, all you ended up with were victims.

I'm pretty certain if it were between him and me it would have been him. But, then I suppose the world really is fully of pussies and posers. I know several, who compete for the title biggest pussy in the Universe on a daily basis. Talk to "most" any cop and he'll readily admit he's marginally well paid clean-up man, as unfortunately was the case with this situation.

meanmrmustard
August 1, 2012, 10:15 PM
There are at least 8 examples each month in front of American Rifleman that prove this tool wrong. Some of them quite senior in stature. His age and use of the term "Assault Rifle" should clue you in to his relative experience. I suppose he really thinks he's experienced at only 31. Ha!

Yes, someone competent carrying in that situation "could" have made a difference. They also could have run screaming out of the building. Instead, all you ended up with were victims.

I'm pretty certain if it were between him and me it would have been him. But, then I suppose the world really is fully of pussies and posers. I know several, who compete for the title biggest pussy in the Universe on a daily basis. Talk to "most" any cop and he'll readily admit he's marginally well paid clean-up man, as unfortunately was the case with this situation.
Age doesn't beget experience. But, he's still an idiot.

HKGuns
August 1, 2012, 10:38 PM
Age doesn't beget experience.

Agree, but it is a pretty fair predictor.

hogshead
August 1, 2012, 10:53 PM
What an idiot . How did this story even get published. I think if I were talking to him, we would have problems about the second time he said shutup. Throw him under the bus . Sounds like a anti trying to get published.

meanmrmustard
August 1, 2012, 11:28 PM
Agree, but it is a pretty fair predictor.
Subjective. Depends on what the elder has experience of that a younger gentleman lacks, therefore ignorance isn't to do with age, but rather the subject.

The gent in question, being of an age that is young, but lightly seasoned, still hasn't the experience that I'd relish after having called his rifle an "assault" rifle. However, there are many acquaintances of mine, any where from ten to twenty years my senior, that do the same. Their ignorance does not bode well for their age. I've more experience in that regard.

mastiffhound
August 2, 2012, 01:12 AM
I call bull pucky.

I find it funny how people do extrordinary things to save someone they care about. My brother wrecked his motorcycle at 140 mph 2 years ago while riding with my yougest brother. They were going way to fast and my youngest brother slowed down and pulled right into my other brothers lane causing a collision. My youngest brother lost his muffler my other brother went cart-wheeling down the freeway at 140 mph. He not only survived but he got up and ran about a 1/4 mile to make sure my younger brother was ok. He fractured his hand, dented in and fractured his skull, litterally had his tattoo on his left bicept taken off by asphalt, and didn't have much but muscle left on his back from about halfway down up to his shoulders. As I said he survived. The doctor said he didn't have much of a chance, they said he would probably die from infection. The love my brothers have(or had) was tremendous. I lost this brother last year when some punk kid ran him off the road while on his Harley. My other brother was killed, shot in the stomach with a 12-gauge full of buck shot two days into his leave from Iraq. It is just my yougest brother and myself that are still alive and If I wasn't armed I would at the very least rush a armed psyco just for my little brother to have a chance to get away. I ran into a burning apartment when I was 11 to save him once, I would do it again in a heartbeat.

Now fast forward, to this psyco tuck-fard shooting people wholesale. I can't help but guess there were family, married couples, and best friends in the audience. I'm of the mind that if someone was armed they would have fired back, maybe not enough to kill or incapacitate but enough to make this guy think about leaving. This is just my opinion, but after seeing and hearing about heroism all the time I would say this guy is so full of crap his hair and eyes must be brown. How many of you would run like cowards and not try to protect your wife? Your brother? Your mother? Your son? Your daughter? Your father? Your sister? Maybe this guy knows he's a coward and would trip his wife on his way to the door to make sure he would live.

Sorry guys, I went on a little rant. This kind of thing sticks in my craw. I guess I think that as U.S. citizens we go a little further, we are a nation of heroes. We do heroic things everyday. I always thought we cared about our fellow man and woman, enough to even try to save a stranger(happens often also). But with guys like this saying "you wouldn't have a chance" makes me sick. Hopefully we all don't turn into cowards, like this guy has. This is poison, it makes us all look less than what we are. The best, most free nation of people in the world.

That is as close as I would like to come to writing an article.

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