MagVault for AR's..


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SwissArmyDad
July 31, 2012, 12:34 PM
My original thread was too old to respond to: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=627085

So I just thought I'd drop a note to y'all.

I have been using the Magvault for a while now, and while my ar hangs out of reach and out of sight of most visitors in my house, it's VERY nice to know that I have this type of lock installed.

My AR isn't my "bump in the night" gun right now, so for us it works very well.

It was backordered via Opticsplanet, so I waited about a month for it, but once it was back in stock the transaction was seamless via Amazon.com...

Cheers!

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kenken
July 31, 2012, 07:15 PM
??? pics dude. Fill us in on this deal. Please...


kenken


Sorry, just looked again and saw the link........

Shmackey
July 31, 2012, 08:30 PM
I like the idea for a by-the-bed rifle, but I wish it had a simplex lock. I'd pony up $50 for one if it did.

SwissArmyDad
August 1, 2012, 09:31 AM
Yeah, Shmackey, I feel the same way. It's definitely not a "quick" lock to remove, BUT it is very secure once installed.

I have little kids and for this rifle, keeping them safe is my priority. My bedside gun is locked up as well, but in a gunvault nano with a very fast, simple simplex lock, just as you mentioned.

SwissArmyDad
August 1, 2012, 09:34 AM
??? pics dude. Fill us in on this deal. Please...


kenken


Sorry, just looked again and saw the link........


:) Glad you found it. Sorry about that.


Here's an easier link:

http://www.amazon.com/GunVault-AR-01-MagVault-Key-Lock/dp/B004E114LU

Pretty cheap. I ordered mine from opticsplanet, but looks like Gunvault is selling directly via amazon, too.

taliv
August 1, 2012, 09:39 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcwebertobias/2012/07/27/unsafe-gun-safes-can-be-opened-by-a-three-year-old/

be careful.

Creature
August 1, 2012, 09:47 AM
I like the idea for a by-the-bed rifle, but I wish it had a simplex lock.

Concur. A good idea, but a four or five digit multi-dial combo lock version needs to be developed to make it truly usuable IMO.

SwissArmyDad
August 1, 2012, 09:59 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcwebe...hree-year-old/

be careful.

I looked on your link, but they don't mention either the MagVault nor the Nano as being failure-prone?

Shmackey
August 1, 2012, 10:10 AM
For $14, I ordered one up from Amazon.

If I can figure out what kind of adhesive to use, I think I'll glue the key to the bottom of a PMAG such that the whole magazine becomes the key "handle" and the narrow part of the key sticks out from the bottom of the mag. Then I can put the mag in my bedside simplex pistol safe. Opening up the pistol safe, I can grab my 1911 or, if time permits, the loaded PMAG that can open up the AR and charge it quickly.

FAS1
August 1, 2012, 10:39 AM
I like the idea for a by-the-bed rifle, but I wish it had a simplex lock. I'd pony up $50 for one if it did.
The Simplex lock costs more than that so I don't think you will see that anytime soon.

taliv
August 1, 2012, 10:45 AM
yeah, that video wasn't specific to nano, but there are many more videos out there and it generally demonstrates the level of effort (zero) manufacturers go to in making their products reasonably secure

there's another video in particular i remember watching a few weeks back that was interesting. It was some hacker convention type thing where a guy was showing all sorts of ridiculously easy ways to defeat the biometric locks on handgun safes

just saying be careful

SwissArmyDad
August 1, 2012, 10:55 AM
yeah, that video wasn't specific to nano, but there are many more videos out there and it generally demonstrates the level of effort (zero) manufacturers go to in making their products reasonably secure

there's another video in particular i remember watching a few weeks back that was interesting. It was some hacker convention type thing where a guy was showing all sorts of ridiculously easy ways to defeat the biometric locks on handgun safes

just saying be careful

10-4!

SwissArmyDad
August 1, 2012, 11:19 AM
If I can figure out what kind of adhesive to use, I think I'll glue the key to the bottom of a PMAG such that the whole magazine becomes the key "handle" and the narrow part of the key sticks out from the bottom of the mag. Then I can put the mag in my bedside simplex pistol safe. Opening up the pistol safe, I can grab my 1911 or, if time permits, the loaded PMAG that can open up the AR and charge it quickly.

That is a GREAT idea. I'm stealing that. :D

I think a pmag would fit right next to my XD-9 in my Nano.

Maybe, simply an expoxy like JB-weld, but for plastic? Just mix it up, put a couple drops on the plate, and then press the key into the puddle and let it set?

NeuseRvrRat
August 1, 2012, 11:35 AM
the problem is folks referring to these types of devices as "safes".

they are not safes. they are residential security containers (RSC). that's how the industry and the labs that test them refer to them. that should tell you something about how secure they actually are.

Shmackey
August 1, 2012, 12:05 PM
That is a GREAT idea. I'm stealing that. :D

I think a pmag would fit right next to my XD-9 in my Nano.

Maybe, simply an expoxy like JB-weld, but for plastic? Just mix it up, put a couple drops on the plate, and then press the key into the puddle and let it set?
Yeah, a steel-reinforced epoxy like JB might do it, but I'd lean toward LSB90. But we digress. :)

Anyway, if this MagVault works out, I would be able to keep my AR in my bedroom instead of in the safe. And we all know that random chicks love to walk into a guy's bedroom and see black rifles. Aww yeah....

X-Rap
August 1, 2012, 12:25 PM
I'm sorry but I don't see the use in a product that ties up the gun so it is totally useless without the key.
You have done well hanging it out of reach of your kids but if they are real small just keep the mag out and the gun out of reach, if you want another level of security run a heavy zip tie through the magwell and ejection port and rubber band a side cutter to your mag.
IMO you are better off teaching your kids when they are old and strong enough to operate the guns you keep available for immediate use and then putting a lock on the closet or bedroom door when you are not around.

SwissArmyDad
August 1, 2012, 12:38 PM
I'm sorry but I don't see the use in a product that ties up the gun so it is totally useless without the key.
You have done well hanging it out of reach of your kids but if they are real small just keep the mag out and the gun out of reach, if you want another level of security run a heavy zip tie through the magwell and ejection port and rubber band a side cutter to your mag.

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. NO worries there, but what you've suggested seems like a "one time use" version of what the MagVault does? Myself and Shmackey were just talking in the post above yours able a way to keep the key readily available, so that the rifle could be put into use more readily, actually. :)

IMO you are better off teaching your kids when they are old and strong enough to operate the guns you keep available for immediate use and then putting a lock on the closet or bedroom door when you are not around.

That's a great suggestion; in fact all my kids are trained in the 4 rules, how to load a magazine, how to insert and drop a mag, how to charge the AR, and the "idea" of racking the slide on our Semi-auto, (though none of them are strong enough to actually do it yet..haha!)

Cheers!

X-Rap
August 1, 2012, 01:21 PM
No offense but single use is exactly my point, a zip tie could be removed while a key if lost or it breaks will tie up the gun and make it useless. The zip tie still keep little kids from loading the magazine into the gun.

Maybe, simply an expoxy like JB-weld, but for plastic? Just mix it up, put a couple drops on the plate, and then press the key into the puddle and let it set?

You will have quite an unwieldy handle on your key if fine motor skills are required to unlock it in an emergency. To each his own but a bag of zip ties is fairly cheap, fits any gun and can be used for many other things, just thought I'd throw it out there.

I am assuming that your purpose is safety rather than security since there is nothing holding the gun down from theft. My kids are grown and moved away but when the grandkids come I just pull the mags on the guns and check to be sure the household cleaners are on the high shelves.

And we all know that random chicks love to walk into a guy's bedroom and see black rifles. Aww yeah....

That's one I haven't heard yet, next time I'll leave it out and see. ;)

SwissArmyDad
August 1, 2012, 01:23 PM
10-4, X-rap, just wanted to be sure I understood what you were saying...

And I agree, might have to hang my rifle in a more visible spot and see what happens.

hahah!

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