XDS and Shield Alternatives


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meatcreeper
July 31, 2012, 05:07 PM
Hi,

With arrival of the M&P Shield and the Springfield XDS, I am wanting put my LCP aside as my carry weapon of choice. However, I am having a hard time getting a hold of either in any caliber due to the popularity and or price point. I have held each one in my hand at the local gun store, even had the opportunity to do a side by side comparison of the M&P 40 and the XDS 45. Truth be told, I like 'em all!

I am wondering what the forum would consider alternatives to the XDS and Shield autos. I would be willing to add another gun to my collection until those became more readily available at a good price. My only thing is that it should be chambered in at 40 or 45 cal.

Thanks,

MC

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Shipwreck
July 31, 2012, 05:29 PM
Only one Shield alternative I know - and that is to buy two instead of one http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/Smiley/thicon_mad.gifhttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/Smiley/thicon_mad.gif

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Seriously, the Shield is worth waiting for (until you can find one). It really has lower recoil than other 9mms in its size class, and works fantastic.

jimbo555
July 31, 2012, 05:41 PM
Glock 27,36,Colt new agent 45.

ColdDayInHell
July 31, 2012, 05:50 PM
Yep. I have a Glock 36 and it takes a strong wrist to control that recoil. The .45 ACP cartridge in a 19oz subcompact takes some getting used to. http://images.thehighroad.org/smilies/shocker.gif

FMF Doc
July 31, 2012, 06:20 PM
There are the Khars too, but I would hold out for a Shield in .40S&W. It is totally worth it. If you like .40, I don't think there is much better than you can do.

mavracer
July 31, 2012, 06:39 PM
I like my Kahrs I have a PM9 and a CW45 and my daughter has a CW9 all have been perfect

MCgunner
July 31, 2012, 06:45 PM
The Taurus PT145 is light and compact, but it ain't close to the XDS in size. It's a little too big for even MY pockets. It'd go in a cargo pocket, but i'd carry it IWB if I had one, so it wouldn't get carried much. Pretty impressed with my SIL's though. Very accurate, reliable weapon and easy to carry and a 10+1 firepower.

CTGunner
July 31, 2012, 07:13 PM
The Walther PPS in .40.

meatcreeper
July 31, 2012, 07:48 PM
Only one Shield alternative I know - and that is to buy two instead of one
Nice!!! That explains why I can't find any though! :banghead:

fxstchewy
July 31, 2012, 08:59 PM
Glock 26, CM9. i picked up a CM9 a couple of months back and so far it is great, easy to carry, easy to shoot.

jfrey
July 31, 2012, 11:13 PM
+1 on what shipwreck said. The Shield is definately worth the wait. Although any Shield is hard to find, the .40's seem to easier to get than the 9mm's. If you just have to have a new gun now, get a Gen4 G23 and shoot the fool out of it.

KTXdm9
July 31, 2012, 11:28 PM
Kahr CM9 or CW9? I bought a Shield myself. Great little gun. Very comfortable for EDC.

stolivar
August 1, 2012, 12:27 AM
The Springfield XDS is very manageable. I have shot the 36, the PM45 and a couple of other small 45's and they were all at pain. The XDS is a pleasure to shoot and very accurate.

I can rapid shoot it one handed with no problem at all


steve

Skylerbone
August 1, 2012, 01:13 AM
I'm sold on the M&P platform and have no doubt the Shield will live up to that same standard but having spent considerable time with a Kahr CW9 gave me a true appreciation for this often overlooked brand. I recently acquired a Kahr K9 and after 400+ trouble-free rounds without cleaning or additional lubrication (and counting) I have a feeling my M&P 9c is gonna be spending a lot more time at home.

Well worth a look and at the price point of the C-Series pistols very little risk if you don't like it.

PabloJ
August 1, 2012, 02:19 AM
Hi,

With arrival of the M&P Shield and the Springfield XDS, I am wanting put my LCP aside as my carry weapon of choice. However, I am having a hard time getting a hold of either in any caliber due to the popularity and or price point. I have held each one in my hand at the local gun store, even had the opportunity to do a side by side comparison of the M&P 40 and the XDS 45. Truth be told, I like 'em all!

I am wondering what the forum would consider alternatives to the XDS and Shield autos. I would be willing to add another gun to my collection until those became more readily available at a good price. My only thing is that it should be chambered in at 40 or 45 cal.

Thanks,

MC
If you want pro-grade single-stack .45 then look for used S&W CS45. For 9x19 the value line S&W 908s is hard to beat.

gym
October 28, 2012, 12:36 AM
Shield in 40 and EMP in 40. I have tried them all, next is xds, but, I also swap with the Glock 30 and 26, combo. As 2 are allways better than 1. I got used to carrying 2 guns the past 4 years. I can arm someone else or have a spare if I should need it.
Remember it's what you decide works for you, not what works for me or anyone else. We can give advice from experience, but ultimatelly it's the shooter who must feel comfortable with their decision.
I find when I question something, I usually need a change.
For instance, with more gang type violent crimes and more gun educated ciminals, you can't be too well armed. And more of these types are dressing with some type of protective gear, so a more powerful round is a good idea.
Shotguns were the number 1 selling weapon last few months. That says something in itself, of course many were bought for HD, but we are headed to heavier firepower, and a pistol is still a limited weapon, so may as well cary a 40 or 45, even a 10mm, if it's possible, like a glock 29,30,36, or an xds

flatlander937
October 28, 2012, 12:47 AM
I originally wanted a Shield when my wife offered to buy me a new gun for my B-day(and pay for my CCW class :))... though nobody had one, and apparently they still don't.

I am impatient and ended up wanting a CW9 instead... well the dealer was out of CW9s... so I left with a CM9 and a 7rd extended mag to go with it

Absolutely LOVE it. It is very easy to shoot, recoils much less than I thought it would, and while the sights are kind of unconventional to the 3 dot that is more common, I can line them up fast and accurately.

Only issue I had is that the 7rd extended magazine is ammo sensitive to at least one brand... I couldn't get through a full magazine of Federal 115gr FMJ ammo. The rounds would nose dive UNDER the feed ramp. Aguilla 115gr, Aguilla 124gr, and Magtech all function flawlessly. And more importantly the 115gr Remington hollow points are reliable in it as well. I have put 100rds of EACH of those brands of ammo through the gun, with more than half being through the 7 rounder once I had my first failure with it.

The Federal ammo has a more sharply angled "cone" of the bullet and has the longest OAL of all the cartridges by over 0.012" on average of all the above IIRC.


At the range, I got to shoot another fellow's XDS and I've got to admit, that thing had nowhere near as much kick as I thought it would have had. I was quite impressed, though the 5rd capacity disappoints me. 6 rounds and I'd be buying one ASAP.


To reiterate though, I think coming from revolvers there is a good chance you'll greatly enjoy the Kahr pistols with the DAO trigger and lack of external safeties.

sig228
October 28, 2012, 03:39 AM
The XDs is worth waiting for. I have one and its now my EDC. In the meantime though or as a backup, consider the Kahr CM40. Readily available on Davidsons for about 425 total. I have the CM9 and have been very pleased with it. The CM series by Kahr are a great value.

SteelManCM
October 28, 2012, 10:07 AM
Taurus slim PT740

Just a touch thinner than the XDs. 6+1 .40S&W

Great little gun.

Bash on, Taurus bashers...

gym
October 28, 2012, 12:50 PM
Those 740's are nice guns, I traded a revolver that I had for many years for one only for the 40 caliber round. They were one of the first who had it in a small package. I sold it for what I paid for it, so it held it's value, and the guy drove 100 miles to get it.
When they first came out. Back to what I mentioned, more powerful small guns are where we are going for some time now.

wild cat mccane
October 28, 2012, 01:10 PM
walther pps or Kahr. I had a horrible experience with a PM40 though.

RBid
October 28, 2012, 04:19 PM
For those addicted to slim: Kahr CW9 or Walther PPS.

Frankly, I think that the Shield and XDs are currently overrated. They are great products, but so are other options.

Jaymo
October 28, 2012, 04:28 PM
Jennings .22. Great pocket size. Just kidding, of course. Makes a great paperweight.

I had a J22 about 20 years ago, and it always worked. It was better than a sharp stick. Until it ran out of ammo, anyway.
Not exactly what I'd recommend for a carry gun. I'll take a Kel Tec P3AT or the Ruger or Taurus copy over a Jennings any time.
I'm really liking my SR9 and thinking about getting an SR9C for my wife.

k_dawg
October 28, 2012, 06:12 PM
Kahr CM9 is now my minimum carry. Very reliable and light. Yes, the grip has aggressive texturing. That limits how long I can shoot it in one session. But it really helps hanging onto such a small/light 9mm when using defensive rounds.

The trigger is either love it, or hate it.

Plan2Live
October 28, 2012, 09:16 PM
I'm confused by the G-Lock crowd when your post seemed to be leaning towards the thinner options. Oh well, fanboys will be fanboys.

If you are thinking thin/single stack, then you might wait to see if Springfield brings out the XDs in .40 or you might want to look at the Kahr MK40. When given the option, I prefer metal, especially shiny, over polymer. I also second the PPS .40 suggestion.

If I misunderstood and you are thinking double stack then don't overlook the XD Subcompact in .40 or the M&P Compact in .40.

helitack32f1
October 28, 2012, 09:46 PM
I'm confused by the G-Lock crowd when your post seemed to be leaning towards the thinner options. Oh well, fanboys will be fanboys.

...and haters will be haters. Really, was this comment necessary? The OP is asking for viable alternatives to the XDs and Shield, and did not say "and they must be thinner than any of those horrible plastic Glock thingies"


OP, I would personally wait for the XD-S, especially if you really like the two guns you listed. I think it is always a good choice to wait for the gun you really want and the XD has been getting rave reviews, as has the Shield. If you are at all intimidated by the XD being .45, they are planning releasing it in 9mm and .40 as well. I am seriously considering buying the XD-S to take the place of the LCP i sold awhile back.

Dave1965
October 28, 2012, 09:48 PM
Xds is great with the extended mag. Seven rounds just like 1911 and seems light and dang accurate.

josephbw
October 28, 2012, 09:58 PM
Don't be intimidated by the XDs in .45. It is a soft shooting pistol with less recoil than my 9's or 40's. It does take some effort to rack the slide, but that may be why the recoil is so soft. It is also VERY accurate and easy to aim with the fiber optic front sight. As soon as I break it in, it will be my carry gun all year round.

Did I mention that I'm very happy with mine. :D:D:D

Plan2Live
October 29, 2012, 08:38 AM
Apparently it was.

DAdams
October 29, 2012, 02:45 PM
Boberg. I did what shipwreck did and bought two.
I passed on the XDs and went the 3.8 route in .45.
None aforementioned are what I would pocket carry.
I may try a shield....maybe.

breakingcontact
October 29, 2012, 05:18 PM
People are big on the Walther PPS. Check it out. I highly recommend the Shield though.

burk
October 30, 2012, 01:18 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the LC9. I actually prefer the trigger and ergonomics to the Shield. I own an M & P .45 and I would never carry that gun without a safety with the stock trigger. The Ruger trigger is more revolver like, I still get good combat accuracy, it's a nice slim concealable package. The only thing I don't like is the mag disconnect.

The XD-S is a cool gun, although I wish it came with a grip extension on the stock mags, but it's two hundred more than the LC9. I do like .45 for carry though ( I also carry a Kimber CDP Pro).

Mikey Idaho
October 30, 2012, 01:33 PM
Shield alternatives that come to mind (single stack 9mm) would be the Beretta Nano, Ruger LC9, Kahr PM9/CM9... All quality, all with haters and fanboys. I chose the Beretta Nano after muh research, even though I'm a M&P lover.

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VoodooSan
October 31, 2012, 04:40 PM
I would like a Shield but no idea when I'll find one. I carry a Nano also and really have enjoyed it.


VoodooSan

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grptelli
October 31, 2012, 04:59 PM
I'll vouch for the Walther PPS. I just got mine about a month ago. Real nice shooter. I also trst shot the LC9 and Nano. I shot the LC9 better than the Nano, but both were good guns. I wound up getting a good deal on my PPS so I went for it. I would buy a Shield in 9mm if I could find one. I've shot one and it's a sweet shooter.

josephbw
October 31, 2012, 05:51 PM
I originally wanted a Shield when my wife offered to buy me a new gun for my B-day(and pay for my CCW class :))... though nobody had one, and apparently they still don't.

I am impatient and ended up wanting a CW9 instead... well the dealer was out of CW9s... so I left with a CM9 and a 7rd extended mag to go with it

Absolutely LOVE it. It is very easy to shoot, recoils much less than I thought it would, and while the sights are kind of unconventional to the 3 dot that is more common, I can line them up fast and accurately.

Only issue I had is that the 7rd extended magazine is ammo sensitive to at least one brand... I couldn't get through a full magazine of Federal 115gr FMJ ammo. The rounds would nose dive UNDER the feed ramp. Aguilla 115gr, Aguilla 124gr, and Magtech all function flawlessly. And more importantly the 115gr Remington hollow points are reliable in it as well. I have put 100rds of EACH of those brands of ammo through the gun, with more than half being through the 7 rounder once I had my first failure with it.

The Federal ammo has a more sharply angled "cone" of the bullet and has the longest OAL of all the cartridges by over 0.012" on average of all the above IIRC.


At the range, I got to shoot another fellow's XDS and I've got to admit, that thing had nowhere near as much kick as I thought it would have had. I was quite impressed, though the 5rd capacity disappoints me. 6 rounds and I'd be buying one ASAP.


To reiterate though, I think coming from revolvers there is a good chance you'll greatly enjoy the Kahr pistols with the DAO trigger and lack of external safeties.
I just ordered 2 - 7 round mags from Midway USA for my XDs. I bought my XDs at Ye Olde Outfitters in Tipp City, Ohio. When I got mine, they said there were still 5 in stock. You might give them a call and see if they have any in stock.

Skribs
October 31, 2012, 07:04 PM
How about a Sig P938? My Dad got one because he couldn't find the Shield anywhere.

Personally, I wear shorts with big pockets, so I pocket carry a M&P9C. That holds double what most single-stack pocket pistols hold :D

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