I adopted a lonely Italian girl...


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armoredman
August 1, 2012, 07:32 PM
Well, sort of.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/Smith%20Model%2010/Beretta%20PX4%20Storm/PX4Storm40SW.jpg

I need a new sidearm for the job I am returning to, as they STILL don't authorize my favored CZ pistols. So, I went hunting with the "authorized manufacturer" list...which includes Beretta, Glock, Kahr, Taurus, Colt, (and clones), Smith, SiG, and AMT of all things...AMT is on there and I can't get CZ added? Yikes.
So, in the slim pickin's we have around here I find this gem, a lightly used Beretta PX4 Storm in 40SW. I've shopped this store for years, and they gave me a screaming deal. :) There was very little wear, but a FILTHY barrel, like the previous owner shot gun show lead reloads caked in mud.
No holster or spare mag yet, but I took it out to the range this morning, with Federal 180 gr FMJ FP and some 135 grain Hydra Shoks. Functioning was flawless, recoil very manageable, trigger has some creep in single action mode, but what duty pistol doesn't?
Accuracy...was lacking. All rounds fired two hand hold standing. I got 2 inches at 10 yards, not too bad. At 15 the groups started to fall apart, with the occasional flyer off the 8.5x11 paper. At 25 yards it was 2 on, 3 off. Can it hit a man sized target at 25 yards? Yes. Will my CZ SP-01 Phantom shoot rings around it? Yes.
BUT, in all fairness, this was my first time with this pistol, never used a rotating bolt sidearm before, and I was using factory ammo, always worse than my hand loads.
OK, I have dies and a mold on the way. I have everything else I need, so we'll see how this goes. I am willing to give her a try with some home grown ammo, (what girl can resist a man who offers her a home cooked meal? ;) ), and we'll go from there.
Gonna need a cheap holster and a spare mag before long, too.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/Smith%20Model%2010/Beretta%20PX4%20Storm/PX4Storrm40SW2.jpg

Italy - who knew they were good at things besides losing wars? :D

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Kyl3
August 1, 2012, 07:48 PM
Nice looking PX4 man. What'd you pay for it?

armoredman
August 1, 2012, 08:18 PM
$365 :)

SharpsDressedMan
August 1, 2012, 08:27 PM
The Italians are lovers, not fighters. They will tell you that. She will love you back.

Skylerbone
August 1, 2012, 08:32 PM
Little wonder she got the boot...some say sleek while I say eek! :eek: Still, I hear good things about what matters most so congratulations are in order. I've seen a few at the range and I take notice of shooter error and which pistols ignore it. The PX4 is very forgiving in that regard and looked to be quite controllable as well. I think you got a winner.

allaroundhunter
August 1, 2012, 08:33 PM
You say it is a duty gun, but then want a cheap holster? Honestly, if I were in the market for a duty holster, I would expect it to run me about 1/3 of what you just paid for the gun.

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JDGray
August 1, 2012, 08:49 PM
That is rather girly:evil:

armoredman
August 1, 2012, 08:54 PM
aah, I have about run my gamut fundswise, that's the problem. I might be stuck buying a *gulp*, Fobus rig...Hoping to get something better, but nothing in sight at the moment. It's a rig to go to and from work, qualifies for "entry", so it needs to look good and function...well, just function. :)

KTXdm9
August 1, 2012, 09:24 PM
She's puuuurty. If you want a cheap holster, how about a Desantis?

armoredman
August 1, 2012, 09:25 PM
Hmm, that's not bad, decent leather that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Shipwreck
August 1, 2012, 09:36 PM
:) :) :)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/Website%20Stuff/sign700.jpg

armoredman
August 1, 2012, 09:45 PM
I don't think it's quite that desperate...:)

Fishbed77
August 1, 2012, 09:48 PM
Italy - who knew they were good at things besides losing wars?

And food... and cars... and architecture...

Actually, winning wars is about the only thing they aren't good at!

19-3Ben
August 1, 2012, 09:58 PM
Beretta, Glock, Kahr, Taurus, Colt, (and clones), Smith, SiG, and AMT of all things

All those, and no Ruger?

armoredman
August 1, 2012, 10:05 PM
Ruger was in there too, just ran down the ones quickly from memory. I looked at the SR9, but the grip and trigger said "no".

LawScholar
August 1, 2012, 10:13 PM
My PX4 .40, as you all know because I never shut up about it, has been a constant companion of mine for 4 years. I got mine when they were in the $500 ball park and I think they were a great deal then.

It's different looking, but the quality is high. Love mine. It has reliably fed 6 makes of JHP in its lifetime (~3,500 flawless rounds) and currently stocks 180-grain Speer Gold Dot.

It's actually a pretty accurate gun, but the sight radius is short so small differences matter. As you get used to the trigger pulls in DA and SA, you'll see improvements.

http://img.tapatalk.com/459266b3-f08f-7751.jpg

bluethunder1962
August 1, 2012, 10:15 PM
Beretta makes some of the best looking guns. I can't believe that price.

armoredman
August 1, 2012, 10:18 PM
I've done a LOT of business in that shop. ;) I've never asked for a deal before, either.
They have some kydex rigs there too, but probably no spare mags. I could find 92 mags all over, but this one might be a bit harder.

Big_E
August 1, 2012, 10:19 PM
I think the Px4's are smexy looking. They feel a little "different" in the hand, but compared to a CZ nothing quite matches up.

I've wanted to shoot a rotating bbl pistol, I've heard it helps reduce recoil. And if you are using it for duty, don't skimp on the holster. Get something decent at least like the Desantis.

murf
August 1, 2012, 10:33 PM
armoredman,

if you are in the valley of the sun, i believe pistol parlour has desantis rigs. you may want to give them a call. they may have your exra mag, too.

murf

barnbwt
August 1, 2012, 10:41 PM
My Dad has a .40 PX4, and I try to shoot it every chance I get. More controllable than some 9mm's I can recall shooting. I like them because they have easily the most comfortable grip cross-section out there, much rounder than any other. And they also don't have obnoxious spikes all over the grip to sand down (it's a bit annoying to see stipling in my hand half an hour after shooting my Five-seveN).

They are also probably the easiest pistol to field strip ever made (pull tab, push slide, lift out barrel, done). Bad news if Jet Li ever wants to mug you (you'd best be carrying an FNAR for him to take apart in that case).

Honestly, I've never understood the "girly" thing people say of the PX4's, they pretty much look like every other poly-frame pistol out there. There just not intentionally ugly, is all ;).

Now a PPK, that's got a girly look to it *ducks head* :)

TCB

armoredman
August 1, 2012, 11:07 PM
Hmm, should I mention I used to carry a PPK back in the day??? :) Pocket carried holsterless ONCE...the rust was ungodly.
murf, I am south of there by 60+ miles, unfortunately, and even though gas has dropped, it's still a wee bit far.
I am hoping to find a paddle rig that doesn't look too bad, no thumbreak. I did see Midway clearancing out a Hogue one...which has some weird retention device.

allaroundhunter
August 1, 2012, 11:09 PM
Do you not want a retention device in a duty holster?

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Shawn Dodson
August 1, 2012, 11:17 PM
The Italian girl I'd like to adopt:
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/wp-content/uploads//2011/11/Fiat-500-Abarth-Ad.jpg

Yeah, I'm a pig, but who cares?!

murf
August 1, 2012, 11:21 PM
well, if you ever make it up to the east valley, they are the best.

murf

armoredman
August 1, 2012, 11:30 PM
I could practice with it, but I've never used a retention rig before.
Thanks, murf, appreciate the note. I did go to a place called Bear Arms with a buddy some time ago, nice little shop, but he was buying - I was browsing at the time.
Shawn, I know this is going to sound stupid - who the heck is that?

SharpsDressedMan
August 1, 2012, 11:35 PM
Is that the girl from the Fiat commercial?:)

armoredman
August 1, 2012, 11:39 PM
Aha, that's the one!

Stringfellow
August 1, 2012, 11:59 PM
Everyone's talking about it! I heard the rumor, but didn't believe it was true, so I hurried home and got on the internet...to see if Armoredman really sold all of his CZs to go Beretta!!!!

;)

allaroundhunter
August 2, 2012, 12:05 AM
Armoredman, i would really recommend looking into a holster with at least a level II retention system for a duty holster. I am assuming that it will be carried openly since you are saying duty, but if it will be concealed then retention is not as important, IMO.

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spider 69
August 2, 2012, 12:40 AM
Armoredman

CDNN has them.
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/bepx44014fam.html

Fastcast
August 2, 2012, 12:51 AM
And food... and cars... and architecture...

Actually, winning wars is about the only thing they aren't good at!

and some of the other things they're the best in the world at: wine, art, fashion, gold/jewelry, leather, shotguns, soccer, etc.

Actually it was quite an ignorant statement by the OP....

Mike J
August 2, 2012, 12:58 PM
Armored Man-Your post about the holster at Midway USA got me curious so I looked it up. It appears to be similar to the Safariland ALS. I picked up one of the Safariland holsters to use during deer season (when I go hunting is usually the only time I open carry) with my XD. It works well. The pistol automatically locks into the holster when you put it in. There is a small lever you push down with your thumb on the back side of the holster to release it. It is very natural to use. I don't know about the holster midway has for sale but my Safariland also came with a paddle & a belt slide attachment you can change out.

armoredman
August 2, 2012, 01:21 PM
Stringfellow, I most certainly did NOT sell a single CZ! :D I am carrying my Phantom as I type this...it was an odd set of circumstances that led to this...
I have to keep the Smith between the Beretta and the CZs in the safe, or there's some odd fighting sounds that come out of there late at night...
Fastcast, I like Huglu shotguns, the French will argue the wine/fashion comments, I don't wear jewelry nor do I collect art so I neither know nor care, the best leather is gun leather made here in America, and who watches soccer? Heck, I don't even watch basketball or football. :) What I have done is studied a little history, and after the fall of the Roman Empire, Italy, (not counting the Vatican), became a little less important on the world stage - I did hear Mussolini did get the trains to run on time, right after he invaded Ethiopia...I wouldn't mind visiting Rome someday, though, thousands of years of history right there.
Spider 69, thanks for the link - those look good! One or two of those and I will be good.
Mike, thanks for the comment, interesting idea.
allaroundhunter, I agree, and I might go with an IWB rig for that reason. If I get a retention rig, I will practice with it. :)

Fastcast
August 2, 2012, 02:07 PM
lol....Armoredman, I usually enjoy your post as I do this one also. ;)

With that said, there's more to life, culture, history etc. than guns and wars.

The Italians are well known (to most) for producing some of the finest leathers, wines, coffees, ice creams, foods in general, sports cars, sports bikes, gold jewelry, textiles/fashion, art, architectures, firearms, beautiful women and on and on....

Last I knew, Huglus were made in Turkey, not Italy. Soccer is the most popular sport in the world, soccer is the fastest growing sport among the youth of the USA and Manchester United (soccer team) is the most valuable of any type sports teams in the world so yea a lot of people watch soccer....lol

I stand by my statement about yours. It would be similar to saying, I didn't know the Irish were good at anything but being drunkards.

Enjoy your Beretta, it's a fine piece and it's always nice to expand ones horizons!

SharpsDressedMan
August 2, 2012, 03:24 PM
Yes, and those early Italians, the Romans, had quite a thing going for awhile. Ruled much of the civilized world, and sported quite a culture of their own! :D:D

armoredman
August 2, 2012, 03:34 PM
Yes, Fast, that's why I mentioned Huglu - Turkey's been making firearms as long as the Italians. :) Maybe, Beretta started in the 16th century, wasn't it? I'll never be able to afford to look at, much less actually drive a Ferrari or Lamboghini, so I'll take your word for it. ;)
Sharps, the one culture the Romans envied was the Greeks...and yes, Ancient Rome was VERY interesting, one of my favorites. Read The Centurions by Damian Hunter, outstanding series.

Imagine the Legions with BM-59s and Beretta 92s...


Dies and mold will be here Tuesday. Just like the tractor beam.

bluethunder1962
August 2, 2012, 03:43 PM
Shawn Dodson Add me to list of pigs. I love that comercial. I thought I would love to have one of those cars but don;t have a clue what it was. I was in a fog.

Stringfellow
August 2, 2012, 04:23 PM
Just messin' with you Armoredman. I assumed you wouldn't ditch any of your CZs. I just got my new 92FS and I love everything about it. But that doesn't mean I will be ditching my '75 Nickel or my '82--no way, no how.

My only other comment is that based on your story, the correct title for this thread should be "I adopted a cheap Italian girl..."

bluethunder1962
August 2, 2012, 04:47 PM
I got a 92fs. I love that gun. If it was in 45 it would be my fav. I love the looks of yours I don't care what anybody says.
Do Italian girls shave their pits?

armoredman
August 2, 2012, 05:10 PM
String, String, don't call her "cheap", not so loud! ;)

berettaprofessor
August 2, 2012, 05:13 PM
That blocky thing ain't an Italian girl, its a guy. Now a 70 series Beretta, that was a real sleek female.

Fastcast
August 2, 2012, 05:56 PM
Do Italian girls shave their pits?

A quick search would have supplied you with the answer....Check this link out, some of these comments are rather amusing! :eek:

http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091129124517AAMKEvg

Fastcast
August 2, 2012, 06:03 PM
That blocky thing ain't an Italian girl, its a guy. Now a 70 series Beretta, that was a real sleek female.

+1....and another of the sexy & sleek Italian girls:

http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/detail/beretta_model_34_3.htm

19-3Ben
August 2, 2012, 06:28 PM
The Italians are well known (to most) for producing some of the finest leathers, wines, coffees, ice creams, foods in general, sports cars, sports bikes, gold jewelry, textiles/fashion, art, architectures, firearms, beautiful women and on and on....

You forgot about glass. Remember that for a good while the glass-blowers of Murano were actually held there under guard for fear that the secrets of great Italian glass manufacture would get out into the world.

Some argue that to this day Venetian and Murano glass are still among the finest in the world.

Fastcast
August 2, 2012, 06:45 PM
19-3Ben, yes I did and I even own some Bormioli glassware. Fantastic stuff!

http://www.bormioliroccousa.com/

Texan Scott
August 2, 2012, 07:34 PM
The only straight roads in Britain are laid along old Roman roads, to include the M1. (Not sure what that has to do with Italian guns - or cars, or girls.) Do NOT let that pretty girl talk you into buying a Fiat. Had one. Don't do it.
Nice pistol for under $400, though!

bluethunder1962
August 2, 2012, 07:48 PM
Thanks fastcast. Guess I shouldn't sterotype.

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