1911s: Sig, SA or Kimber?


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Oldnoob
August 1, 2012, 10:00 PM
Thinking to pick up an entry level 1911. These are with in my budget (and can be found in my state).

Sig XO, Springfield Loaded, Kimber custom II.

Can the owner share with me your personal experience on finish, trigger, slide to frame fit, build quality etc.

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Oldnoob
August 1, 2012, 10:03 PM
I will not be carry it, so Sig's unique slide profile doesn't matter to me. And this will be just for range target shoot piece.

foghornl
August 1, 2012, 10:04 PM
Have 2 Springfield Armory 1911's

A 4" 'Loaded Champion' and the 5" GI-45. Both have been very good right out of the box, other than a mag spring issue with the Champion. I would always give the nod to Springfield.

Chevelle SS
August 1, 2012, 10:13 PM
I love my Kimber Stainless Target II.

Upstater
August 1, 2012, 10:15 PM
Have a Kimber custom II, I really couldn't be happier with it. I have had absolutely no problems with this gun from out of the box through 1500 rounds down range.

BYJO4
August 1, 2012, 10:30 PM
I have the stainless Custom II Target in both 9MM and 45 ACP. Both have been flawless since day one and very accurate. Extremely nice trigger pull on both.

WoodchuckAssassin
August 1, 2012, 10:31 PM
I can't trust Kimbers. I've seen too many rusted "stainless" steel barrels on there 1911 Comander models. I was shocked when I locked the slide back on a brand new Kimber and saw a barrel that looked like it had been left out in the rain for a week. I don't know how or why it happened, but I gotta believe that someone at quality control dropped the ball. I've seen 3 Kimber 1911's at 4 different gun shops with crap barrels...more than just a coincidence.

The S&W is my vote. I love everything about it except for the ambi-safety. The price isn't even that bad. Happy hunting!

Tophernj
August 2, 2012, 10:55 AM
I love my Kimber.

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cacoltguy
August 2, 2012, 12:31 PM
I own the Sig XO so that's where my vote goes. Heard about about too many Quality Control issues with Kimber lately. I'm sure the Springfield is a great gun but I like the fact that the Sig is 100% made here in the good old USA.

WoodchuckAssassin
August 2, 2012, 12:58 PM
+1 for American Made! My only problem with the Sigs are that the grips are a little large for my hands. As far as quality goes, Sigs get my vote right along side the S&W.

SwampWolf
August 2, 2012, 02:05 PM
I think current SIG 1911s are the best value for the money in today's market. Full of desireable features and a quality, all-American, forged slide/frame build for a very competitive price.

bds
August 2, 2012, 02:47 PM
IME, Sig 1911 XO grips are on the thinner side providing a narrow grip than many other 1911 models. Along with the checkered front strap and the rough textured XO grips make for a tight secure grip on the pistol even though your palms get sweaty.

Auto426
August 2, 2012, 02:54 PM
Out of the 3 choices listed I would probably go with the Sig. They represent a good value and come with some nice features like serrated front straps. The goofy slide profile and the external extractor keeps me away from them, but being in CA limits your choices.

I can't trust Kimbers. I've seen too many rusted "stainless" steel barrels on there 1911 Comander models. I was shocked when I locked the slide back on a brand new Kimber and saw a barrel that looked like it had been left out in the rain for a week. I don't know how or why it happened, but I gotta believe that someone at quality control dropped the ball. I've seen 3 Kimber 1911's at 4 different gun shops with crap barrels...more than just a coincidence.

That's because many of Kimber's models come with carbon steel barrels that are left "in the white" with no protective coating or finish applied. At first glance they appear to be stainless, but they aren't and they will rust if not cared for properly.

LeonCarr
August 2, 2012, 02:55 PM
None of the above.

If I just had to have a 1911 in that price range, I would look at the STIs.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

MK11
August 2, 2012, 03:20 PM
Kimber started off great and went to hell. Sig started off horribly and now makes a very solid 1911. Springfield seems the most consistent.

I've got two pre-Series II Kimbers that I'm happy with but if I was starting over today, I'd go Springfield.

del4
August 2, 2012, 03:48 PM
Whatever happened to the Ruger 1911's?

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DC Plumber
August 2, 2012, 07:44 PM
I have a Sig XO and a Kimber Pro TLE II.

Which ever one feels the best in your hand is the one to buy. I was very specific and told the gun dealer I didn't want front serations, ambi safety and I wanted American Made. I liked the colts, but couldn't get my features, so............... Sig and Kimber.

Though, the Springfield did feel good in my hand.

JROC
August 2, 2012, 07:54 PM
Colt, but in your list Springfield.

EddieNFL
August 2, 2012, 09:26 PM
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HammerheadSSN663
August 2, 2012, 09:33 PM
Springfield A1 - made in Brazil.

Oldnoob
August 2, 2012, 11:40 PM
I have a Sig XO and a Kimber Pro TLE II.

Which ever one feels the best in your hand is the one to buy. I was very specific and told the gun dealer I didn't want front serations, ambi safety and I wanted American Made. I liked the colts, but couldn't get my features, so............... Sig and Kimber.

Though, the Springfield did feel good in my hand.

I thought Kimber comes with front slide serrations.

Oldnoob
August 3, 2012, 10:13 AM
IME, Sig 1911 XO grips are on the thinner side providing a narrow grip than many other 1911 models. Along with the checkered front strap and the rough textured XO grips make for a tight secure grip on the pistol even though your palms get sweaty.

That was how I felt too. But I never shoot them side by side.

Creature
August 3, 2012, 10:22 AM
As much as I like the Sig, I voted Springfield...

Mag10
August 3, 2012, 10:51 AM
I have been very happy my Kimber Custom CDP II.
Classic 1911 design, all the carry features I wanted and it fits comfortably in my hand.

Hk Paul
August 3, 2012, 11:20 AM
No offense, but I can't recommend any of these. SA's frames are made in Brazil, and their parts are made from "wherever", probably China. Several years ago I bought their base model 1911, took it home and found that the frame fails were so warped that I couldn't even get the slide off. I took it back the next day and exchanged it for another one and had the exact same problem! It was appalling. Not to mention that these really aren't the Springfield Armory you are thinking of- just some guy bought the rights to use the name. I feel it's deceptive.

The Kimber I had was actually pretty good, but that was about 10 years ago. Now I am not so sure- based on everything that I have seen and heard- I hesitate to recommend them and in my opinion that's justification enough to disqualify. Something that you may stake your life on needs total confidence.

Sig, oddly enough would be the one I like the most out of all three. Sadly their 1911's are the ones I know the least about. Beware of their customer service because once the gun is over 1yr old, they don't stand by their product.
Sig was once a great company but now it's soul has been ripped out by Cohen.

On a personal note- you are buying a 1911. You should buy one that you are proud of. Have you thought about S&W? Colt? S&W makes a pretty good gun and are reasonably priced. Their customer service is great. Colt probably makes the best 1911 for the money, but they are more $$.

silicosys4
August 3, 2012, 01:42 PM
The only 1911 of those listed that I have any experience with is the Sig. I'm happy with my TacPac, but for the same money I am much happier with my plain jane Colt 1991A1 that I picked up used at an online auction.

holdencm9
August 3, 2012, 01:50 PM
I am happy with my Kimber Custom II. PSA had them on sale for $720 a little while ago and picked one up. Can't say it is crazy durable as I have only put a few hundred rounds through it so far, but it IS crazy accurate.

I really wanted a SA Loaded until I learned they were not made in America. Now, normally I don't care too much about that, but for a 1911, to purchase one not made in America just seems....wrong.

Madcap_Magician
August 3, 2012, 03:57 PM
SA probably has the best customer service of all the 1911 entry level makers now. Colt's is also pretty good.

SA pros: lifetime warranty with paid shipping, wide variety of models.

Colt pros: Decent warranty with paid shipping, less variety, cachet of the Colt name.

Sig pros: Good variety, well finished.

Kimber pros: Seem well finished, dehorned very well. Lots of variety.

SA cons: The fit and finish of the SA guns I've seen lately is not as great.

Colt cons: Colts have very sharp edges, especially on the dust cover and front of the slide.

Sig cons: Unique slide profile means regular 1911 holsters often don't fit.

Kimber cons: Supposed to have bad customer service.

DC Plumber
August 3, 2012, 05:08 PM
My Kimber Pro TLE II does not have front serations. I bought it when they first came out, so maybe the new ones do.

clance
August 3, 2012, 05:15 PM
I own a Springfield Armory 1911-A1 that is as plain Jane as it gets that I can at 7yds tear a single hole the size of a golf ball in the target. I've also owned 2 Kimbers (Royal and Eclipse II) that neither one could I hit the target consistantly in the same spot.

Looking back I think it had something to due with the length of the trigger on the Kimbers as the SA has (as you can see in the pictures below) your typical GI short trigger where as the Kimbers had the mid/long length adjustables.

I don't have small hands but apparently I need to wrap my finger around the trigger where the center knuckle of my trigger finger is over it.

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy135/stmichps/Leftside.jpg

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy135/stmichps/Rightside.jpg

CTGunner
August 3, 2012, 06:44 PM
I have owned a Loaded and a LW Operator and both were great guns...I had absolutely zero issues with either.

I owned a Kimber Pro Raptor II and after 3 trips back to Kimber and a tremendous amount of effort and inconvenience on my part they agreed to buy it back from me - because they simply couldn't get the gun to run through a single mag without malfunctioning. What really frustrated me about Kimber was they were continuing to send the gun back to me in a non functioning condition.

I really like the SIG 1911 - I think they lead the market in delivering value to the customer. Things like front strap checkering and night sights are nice standard features on a relatively low cost 1911.

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