My G19 and a bandsaw. Good idea?


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marb4
August 2, 2012, 11:33 AM
I've had my G19 (gen 3) for a while now and love the pistol. Its been 100% reliable and I shoot it very well. When I carry (iwb) the grip prints more than I'd like and feels very "large". An obvious solution is to get a G26 but finances right now take that option off the table. I do also like the longer barrel and sight radius of the 19. So here it goes. I've seen a few posts online that show G19s with their grip reduced to the size of a G26. This way they can accept the 10 round mag but still be able to use the 15 (or even 17) round mags with a slip on grip extension. The pics I've seen actually look pretty good. I think performing the work would be well within my skills but I just haven't been able to put a bandsaw to my gun just yet. Is shortening the grip on my 19 a viable option or just a disaster waiting to happen? I would personally be more comfortable carrying something less noticable (even though no one including family and ever said they've noticed). So I guess I'm asking you guys to talk me out of this (or maybe into it).

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Prince Yamato
August 2, 2012, 12:20 PM
Save up for the G26.

JustinJ
August 2, 2012, 12:26 PM
First find out what a new grip will cost you if you mess up.

chicharrones
August 2, 2012, 12:32 PM
Considering the grip is part of the frame on a Glock, it may cost the price of a whole new gun and will need an FFL transfer.

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=80127

2wheels
August 2, 2012, 12:38 PM
If done right, it's actually pretty cool and it seems to work out well for the guys who've done it. Glocks version of a Colt CCO. If done wrong? Hope you're willing to buy a new gun! I've seen it done wrong, it ain't pretty.

If you take the dive, do your research and take it niiiice and easy!

marb4
August 2, 2012, 01:08 PM
There are two things right now preventing me from chopping away.

1) As some of you have noted, if I screw it up I go from having a great dependable pistol to an interesting paperweight/conversation piece.

2) I have some concern altering any weapon that may be used in self defense. Were the gun used in an SD situation, could I be in greater legal jeapordy having used an "altered" weapon?

Sam1911
August 2, 2012, 01:12 PM
2) I have some concern altering any weapon that may be used in self defense. Were the gun used in an SD situation, could I be in greater legal jeapordy having used an "altered" weapon?

Legal jeopardy? As in violating some law? No, not at all. Now there's nothing that stops a prosecutor from dragging up anything s/he wants to at a trial, but a frame chop to make your gun more like other common defensive pistols is quite unlikely to hurt you.

I'd say go for it. Carefully, but confidently.

2wheels
August 2, 2012, 01:15 PM
2) I have some concern altering any weapon that may be used in self defense. Were the gun used in an SD situation, could I be in greater legal jeapordy having used an "altered" weapon?

Eh, seriously doubt it. While this is a permanent mod, many people modify their carry guns in one way or another.

marb4
August 2, 2012, 01:15 PM
Legal jeopardy? As in violating some law? No, not at all. Now there's nothing that stops a prosecutor from dragging up anything s/he wants to at a trial, but a frame chop to make your gun more like other common defensive pistols is quite unlikely to hurt you.

I'd say go for it. Carefully, but confidently.
Legal jeopardy as in giving a prosecutor or an attorney suing for wrongful death more "ammo" to build their case on.

tarosean
August 2, 2012, 01:17 PM
Ill be the enabler.

Go for it... its just a Glock (wont be a collectors piece, etc.)

ku4hx
August 2, 2012, 01:26 PM
Ill be the enabler.

Go for it... its just a Glock (wont be a collectors piece, etc.)
Me too essentially. It's not a masterpiece or any sort of collector's item so if you want to chop it go for it. Worst case scenario you'll have to buy a new frame; Glock will be most happy to make that happen for you for a price.

A couple of years ago or so I was considering upgrading my Gen2 20 with a Gen3 frame. Glock quoted me a turnkey job at $155. I understand it's higher now but thaw as the quote than. I'd have had to relinquish the Gen2 frame so I just decided to keep what I have. I like the finger grooves, but not that much.

fatcat4620
August 2, 2012, 01:32 PM
Have you thought of trading it for a 26?

Sam1911
August 2, 2012, 02:02 PM
Legal jeopardy as in giving a prosecutor or an attorney suing for wrongful death more "ammo" to build their case on.

A pretty far stretch. All it could possibly do is play to a question of character, and really, show a jury a G17, a G19, a G26, and your modifed G-19 and have them pick out the one that says "dangerous man."

You're basically making one gun a little more like another gun in the factory's lineup. I remain unconvinced that this is compelling to a jury.

Mot45acp
August 2, 2012, 02:09 PM
A G19 slide with a G26 grip has always been a dream carry gun for me.

JustinJ
August 2, 2012, 02:21 PM
Considering the grip is part of the frame on a Glock, it may cost the price of a whole new gun and will need an FFL transfer.

I always thought the slide was the "gun" part legally speaking. Does it differ amongst hand guns?

Sam1911
August 2, 2012, 02:48 PM
I always thought the slide was the "gun" part legally speaking. Does it differ amongst hand guns?


Almost all common handguns feature the frame or receiver as the "firearm" -- a slide is just a part.

Sort of exceptions, kind of, include things like the Ruger Mk.I/II/III in which the barrel/upper is the regulated part.

labhound
August 2, 2012, 04:59 PM
Never underestimate the power and willingness of a prosecuter to screw you into the ground. Buy the G26 and leave the G19 alone.

Sam Cade
August 2, 2012, 05:07 PM
Cut the grip.
It is a tool not a holy artifact.


Th real value of a tool is determined by its utility.

Zundfolge
August 2, 2012, 05:07 PM
Robar (http://www.robarguns.com/glock.htm) charges $300 to do it and Bowie Tactical (http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/servicesandshipping.html) charges $70 if you would rather have a pro take a hack at it (just to give you an idea of the price range out there).

If you do it yourself, remember; Measure Twice, Cut Once. (if possible get your hands on a G26 for measuring)

ColdDayInHell
August 2, 2012, 05:17 PM
Save up for the G26.
This.

Sam1911
August 2, 2012, 05:29 PM
I do also like the longer barrel and sight radius of the 19.

Seeing as the OP has stated clear reasons for wanting to do this modification, telling him to buy a different gun that isn't like the one he wants is pointless.

Let's drop the "Buy a 26!" suggestions.

fatcat4620
August 2, 2012, 06:05 PM
Then buy a 26 frame for your 19 upper:D I would just advise against ruining your 19 frame and destroying the value of your gun.

9mmepiphany
August 2, 2012, 06:06 PM
If you do it yourself, remember; Measure Twice, Cut Once. (if possible get your hands on a G26 for measuring)
This bears repeating.

Also be sure that your cut is parallel to the original. Better to take not enough off and have to file/sand it to fit, than take off too much and have an ugly gap (and possible feeding problems) between the frame and the magazine base

hAkron
August 2, 2012, 06:08 PM
I would say buy a 26 and put your 19 upper on it. A 26 is going to come with 2 correct sized mags also.

Inebriated
August 2, 2012, 06:14 PM
I've seen some very, VERY nice hack jobs. I would agree that if you can get a 26 to give you a reference, you should. And like 9mm said, file to fit.

Good luck, and POST PICS!

jfrey
August 2, 2012, 06:31 PM
Before you go with the saw, contact www.coldborecustom.com and see what they would charge you to do it. I've seen some good work from them in the past. It's worth taking a look.

marb4
August 2, 2012, 06:32 PM
I've learned the hard way over the years that you can always take more material off but you usually can't put it back on. IF I do this I'll find ideally where the cut should be and then cut maybe 1/4 or 3/8 below that and work my way up slowly. Haven't comitted to this adventure yet.

Mot45acp
August 2, 2012, 06:32 PM
You cannot put a G19 upper on a G26

CPshooter
August 2, 2012, 07:26 PM
Just trade it for a 26 man! You can find someone here on THR to trade you in no time if you post it in the buy,sell,trade forum. Just make a WTT (want to trade) ad and I'd be willing to bet within 3 days you'll have someone that wants to trade.

FWIW, I wouldn't cut down the grip. It will only destroy the resale value of the gun. Just get the 26. You won't even notice the half inch difference in barrel length/sight radius.

Good luck!

NG VI
August 2, 2012, 08:18 PM
Bowie charges $70?

I'd be all over that personally.

KC&97TA
August 2, 2012, 09:04 PM
Ill be the enabler.

Go for it... its just a Glock (wont be a collectors piece, etc.)

I agree, measure twice cut once... although paying someone $70 + shipping x2 isn't bad either, but that's almost half the price of a used Glock.

SharpsDressedMan
August 2, 2012, 11:11 PM
I'm ready for the "after" pics! Post them when your done.

NG VI
August 3, 2012, 11:20 PM
Where can you find used Glocks for $250 or so?

Kramer Krazy
August 3, 2012, 11:36 PM
Just trade it for a 26 man! You can find someone here on THR to trade you in no time if you post it in the buy,sell,trade forum.
If it were my gun, I'd "third" this sentiment to trade. I have both the 19 and the 26, and the 26 outshoots the 19 every time. I have had several people with both guns say that their 26 shoots better than the 19, but I have no idea why, though. About seven years ago a person explained it to me (used his for competition), but I have completely forgotten the reason since then.

On the other hand, it is your gun...do with it what you please. ;)

Jaymo
August 3, 2012, 11:40 PM
I want to put a 19 slide on a 17 frame (with the dust cover shortened) and put a 26 slide on a 19 frame with the dust cover shortened.
I'd rather have a long grip/short barrel than a short grip/long barrel. I hate having to wrap my pinkie around the baseplate of the mag.

Johannes_Paulsen
August 3, 2012, 11:42 PM
In lieu of chopping, have you tried a holster with a more aggressive cant, to keep the grip from printing?

Texan Scott
August 4, 2012, 12:23 AM
I can't bear to see a grown man cry...
(ok, that's a lie... but I have to be in the right mood.)
Get professional service, or at least professional advice. Go easy.

leadcounsel
August 4, 2012, 04:12 AM
Used G26 will set you back $450 tops.

Then you'll have two pistols.

BTW a G19 is super easy to conceal...

Dr.Rob
August 4, 2012, 05:31 AM
I would say not only no but hell no. I'm no expert on the internal structure of the Glock grip frame but cutting off the reinforced end can't be a great idea.

And a home made mistake can't be fixed.

Hunterdad
August 4, 2012, 08:17 AM
I always encourage people to take a hacksaw to a glock. I say go for it.

wgaynor
August 4, 2012, 09:12 AM
Well, I guess if you screw it up, you can sell it for scrap and buy a Hi-Point! :D

Dr_2_B
August 4, 2012, 09:22 AM
My post may get lost in this thread but I have a couple thoughts that I believe are worth hearing. 1. Have you fired a G26? You didn't mention that you have. You may find that you don't like the grip. I'd recommend a little time handling one to make sure you can live with it. 2. In the process of that you may learn that the G26 suits you as well as your G19. 3. I second a previous poster who said that a different holster might solve your problem of printing without altering your G19... which I happen to believe is Glock's crowning achievement in pistols.

FireInCairo
August 4, 2012, 10:28 AM
Cut the grip.
It is a tool not a holy artifact.


Th real value of a tool is determined by its utility.

I agree, but he should be careful and try to do it well. Bubba doesn't need to make an appearance if he's careful.

TennJed
August 4, 2012, 10:48 AM
That make black duct tape now if you mess up

MacPelto
August 4, 2012, 11:49 AM
I did it for my plastic Kahr. Turned out great. Cut it oversize with the saw, then slowly sand it down to a perfect fit.

DougW
August 4, 2012, 08:26 PM
I have +2 extensions on my G26 mags that makes the grip length almost the same as one of my G19's. 13 rounds is not 16 (26 vs. 19), but if I need more than that, I just reload. The barrel lenght is the attractive part of the G26 over the G19 for me, as it allows the pistol to ride higher in the holster and is easier to conceal under an untucked shirt (I use OWB Kydex holsters). I do have other Glocks, so I am familiar with carring the various versions of the pistols.

Get a Glock 26, then you have both!

Girodin
August 4, 2012, 11:11 PM
Now there's nothing that stops a prosecutor from dragging up anything s/he wants to at a trial

Aside from the rules of evidence. There are actually all kinds of things that can't be brought up.

oldrevolverguy
August 5, 2012, 11:43 AM
A modification like that will have a very negative impact on it's resale value. I suggest revisiting you concealment garments. Perhaps one size larger shirt will resolve your printing problem. With cell phones and iPod type devices people are conditioned to expect to see various size lumps on your waist line. I have found few folks with any interest in scrutinizing your waist line at all. New concealed carriers are understandably self conscious. That said the 26 is easier to conceal. If you need one trade your 19 for it. My two cents worth.

chicharrones
August 6, 2012, 01:03 AM
I did it for my plastic Kahr. Turned out great. Cut it oversize with the saw, then slowly sand it down to a perfect fit.

I think I remember those photos here on THR. If that was you, that was my reason for joining THR. Just to see your photos while logged on. :D

TreeDoc
August 6, 2012, 11:53 PM
Life is short, chop it. You always wonder, what if? You'll probably mess it up some, or it may not turn out as you invisioned it, heck you may get tired of it and want something else. Chop it.

ColdDayInHell
August 7, 2012, 12:11 AM
Used G26 will set you back $450 tops.

Then you'll have two pistols.

BTW a G19 is super easy to conceal...
Lucky. In MA, the G26 is on sale at a local gun shop for $749. It is a pre-ban and has 2 magazines. The shop is very low on prices and currently has the LC9 with Lasermax for $399, the SR22 for $289 cash. But Glocks, cannot be sold new and the preban ones sell for big bucks. You all should feel so lucky! Now just think how hard it was to find my Glock 36.

12131
August 7, 2012, 03:14 AM
Go for it.
This guy chopped the G17 grip down to G19 size. Looks great and works. http://www.ar15armory.com/forums/G17-mod-G19-mags-t124247.html

Chopping the G19 down to G26 grip is same principle.

shootr
August 7, 2012, 06:29 AM
Heck, it's just another gun project. If you think you're capable of doing the job to the std that will satisfy you - go for it. Take your time. Maybe even pm a few of those who have done nice jobs and get some pointers.

MacPelto
August 11, 2012, 07:28 PM
I think I remember those photos here on THR. If that was you, that was my reason for joining THR. Just to see your photos while logged on. :D
Ha! Awesome! What a compliment!

JHenry
August 11, 2012, 07:54 PM
if you do end up going for it, id cut about an extra half an inch and then sand it till its where you want. Sand paper is alot more forgiving then a band saw.

verdun59
August 12, 2012, 11:35 AM
I'll take Bowie Tactical for $70.00 Alex.

Girodin
August 13, 2012, 02:39 PM
Remember that it will cost you more than $70 though. Shipping a handgun Fed ex next day air tends to be relatively expensive. By the time you ship it both ways it is more like $140 than $70. It still might be worth it to have Bowie do it. Some people have very little faith in their own abilities.

There is also the issue of their 16-24 week turn around time.

tech30528
August 13, 2012, 06:33 PM
Cut the grip.
It is a tool not a holy artifact.


Th real value of a tool is determined by its utility.
That's how I feel about the MN. Purists have a cow when you talk about modding one, but hey, there are 60 million of them them out there. Go save the rest of them. Nice job BTW.

marb4
August 13, 2012, 11:56 PM
Ok so I've decided to go ahead with this project. I'm ordering a G26 mag before I do any chopping. I've seriously considered trading for a G26 but all of the hastle with doing that makes it unappealing to me. Besides, I know this pistol is reliable and I love the trigger on it. I may start a new thread with pics when I actually begin the work. I've seen lots of other pics online of guys who have done it and I really think its something I can handle (with a little patience of course). Wish me luck!

FIVETWOSEVEN
August 14, 2012, 01:33 AM
I've played around with the idea of doing it to my XD but I like having the solid grip. I wish someone would make a grip extension that rides on the magazine but then snaps into place on the gun and stays on the gun when the magazine is dropped.

sidheshooter
August 14, 2012, 04:13 AM
Ok so I've decided to go ahead with this project. I'm ordering a G26 mag before I do any chopping.

Awesome!

Marty Hayes, IIRC, has a 34 or 35 cut down for 19/23 length mags. The concept has real merit; my hat is off to you.

45_auto
August 14, 2012, 09:24 AM
I've cut down several Glocks for friends. I found that the easiest way is to clamp a 26 in the mill and set the cutter height. Then replace it with the 19 and the cutter will be set perfectly. Smooth the milled edges and it looks factory. Takes about 2 minutes.

breacher
August 15, 2012, 02:52 AM
chopped my Steyr M40 from this-
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/694/m401l.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/m401l.jpg/)

to S40 length-
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2102/ms401.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/ms401.jpg/)

the difference-
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9725/ms402.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/ms402.jpg/)

no milling machine, just a vice, hacksaw and file and about 45 minutes of work, can't imagine paying somebody $70. to do that for me

breacher
August 15, 2012, 03:00 AM
then later I stippled it with a little soldering iron for a better grip
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/834/stip3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/stip3.jpg/)

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7245/stip2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/stip2.jpg/)

HKGuns
August 15, 2012, 10:46 AM
It is just a gLoCk, hack away. Paint it too while you are at it.

chicharrones
August 15, 2012, 11:31 AM
Ok so I've decided to go ahead with this project. Wish me luck!

I am looking forward to seeing the results! :)

chicharrones
August 15, 2012, 11:33 AM
That looks great! :cool:



the difference-
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2102/ms401.jpg

marb4
August 15, 2012, 11:55 AM
chopped my Steyr M40 from this-
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/694/m401l.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/m401l.jpg/)

to S40 length-
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2102/ms401.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/ms401.jpg/)

the difference-
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9725/ms402.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/ms402.jpg/)

no milling machine, just a vice, hacksaw and file and about 45 minutes of work, can't imagine paying somebody $70. to do that for me
Wow. That looks great! You're helping bolster my failing bravery! Looking to start next week after I get my G26 mag in.

breacher
August 15, 2012, 02:43 PM
Steyr chop was easy because the mag tube to floor plate angle is 90 degrees for both versions. I know the 19 and 17 mags have different angles, dunno about the 26. Best bet with that chop would be to lay a 26 on top of your 19 and use a Sharpie to trace a cut line.

and then get you a couple of these for your mags, they're great!!
http://www.concealablecontrol.com/

ajoker31
August 15, 2012, 05:43 PM
You can do what i did. Sell the g19 and buy a g26. After that, purchase a grip extension and some G19 mags and you can carry it as a G26 or higher capacity g19.

marb4
August 15, 2012, 05:57 PM
You can do what i did. Sell the g19 and buy a g26. After that, purchase a grip extension and some G19 mags and you can carry it as a G26 or higher capacity g19.
When the saw blade finally touches the grip and I get cold feet I may just do that!

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