Is it possible to get brand new German or Swiss-made SIG pistols still?


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SIGfiend
August 2, 2012, 05:33 PM
Disappointed to see most all of them are either half-way or entirely made here now.....

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9mmepiphany
August 2, 2012, 06:10 PM
I believe the X-5 and X-6 are still made in Germany...as are the Mastershop pieces...that is why it is so hard to get parts for them

Walking Dead
August 2, 2012, 06:46 PM
Disappointed to see most all of them are either half-way or entirely made here now.....
Why?

Auto426
August 2, 2012, 06:58 PM
I believe there was a special run of German made, folded carbon steel slide 226's that popped up a year or two ago. I don't think Sig is still importing them though.

JROC
August 2, 2012, 08:05 PM
Yeah you gotta to hate that cheap American made stuff. Personally I prefer Mexican, and China made guns.

ShadowsEye
August 2, 2012, 08:29 PM
Yeah I've heard the quality out of New Hampshire isn't as nice as the German stuff. Also don't let people give you crap, who would want a finely crafted Swiss watch hand made in a country other than Switzerland. It isn't out of line to want a German gun built in Germany.

JROC
August 2, 2012, 08:46 PM
^ Agreed I'm just messing around. I've also heard that Sig's US made guns quality has taken a hit the last few years, but IDK really know as I've never owned one.

BTW if you are wanting a German Sig Wideners is selling some Made In Germany P226 surplus guns for $425. Obviously they aren't new but still. I'm very tempted to buy on, but I have a few other things I'm needing to pay off before I going buying anymore guns I don't really need. I bought my old CZ75 Pre B surplus from Wideners and it's a great gun that has given me zero regret about buying it.

http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000451&dir=700|1012|1026


I believe the P6's they are selling are also German made.
http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000455&dir=700|1012|1026

Walking Dead
August 2, 2012, 08:52 PM
Has there ever been a problem with a Sig made in Germany or Switzerland? All I know is my American made Sig has been flawless.

Ash
August 2, 2012, 10:20 PM
The earliest West German SIG 220's, the ones with the round-noses, are known to have longevity problems themselves, so merely being German doesn't help all that much.

And remember, the Germans also brought us the RG line of revolvers.

SIGfiend
August 2, 2012, 10:21 PM
Yeah I've heard the quality out of New Hampshire isn't as nice as the German stuff. Also don't let people give you crap, who would want a finely crafted Swiss watch hand made in a country other than Switzerland. It isn't out of line to want a German gun built in Germany.
Thanks, you can actually see the point. It's like this, you have two cars that cost the same price and they are the only ones on the market: a Buick Regal and a Mercedes C-class.....which are you gonna spend your $30,000 on?

JohnBT
August 2, 2012, 10:37 PM
The short version? It all started in 2004.

"In December 2004 Sig hired Kimber's CEO Ron Cohen and he became Sig's CEO in 2006"

918v
August 2, 2012, 10:40 PM
Buick is ugly too

I agree that German made Sigs are better than US variants, but the Swiss P210 is better than either. In fact you'd be hard pressed to find a pistol of the same quality at any price, although Springfield Custom comes awful close.

Walking Dead
August 2, 2012, 10:43 PM
I'm sure your not referring to a Mercedes C-Class built at the Mercedes Benz plant in Alabama right?

SIGfiend
August 2, 2012, 10:53 PM
I'm sure your not referring to a Mercedes C-Class built at the Mercedes Benz plant in Alabama right?
You can't cause they don't build them there right now.

Walking Dead
August 2, 2012, 11:31 PM
I've seen this American Sig vs. German Sig a few times now but have never seen enough to say there is a trend either way. What information have you seen? Very curious because I will be buying another soon and it will undoubtably be another Sig.

918v
August 3, 2012, 02:21 AM
I owned several samples of each snd can personally attest the German guns are better fitted and had better steel. My 2002 era Sigs (3) had peening issues.

skt239
August 3, 2012, 07:47 AM
I love my American made Sig, nothing wrong with it at all. That's the great thing about buying guns, actually having a large selection of American made products. When does that ever happen anymore?

Captain33036
August 3, 2012, 12:12 PM
Hope this helps. Just a quick google search.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/77738

1858
August 4, 2012, 07:30 PM
The P225 is still made in Germany and they're available NIB. I currently have three all German SIGs (P220, P225, P225) and three German/US SIGs (P220 Combat, P220 Carry and P239) ... I like them all and don't consider the German/US variants to be inferior.

DylNger
August 5, 2012, 01:57 AM
The earliest West German SIG 220's, the ones with the round-noses, are known to have longevity problems

I have a W. German Sig P220 with about 15,000 rounds through it with no problems. I did have to replace the recoil spring recently but I should have replaced it 8000 rounds ago according to the Sig people. It's still my best shooting pistol by a good margin. I've heard there were some issues with certain US made Sigs but I have no reason to believe that because I've never seen those problems. In particular I heard there were problems with the P238 pocket pistols but it's hard to judge a gun by what you hear on the net. I've heard all sorts of things that I know weren't true.

Morgo
August 6, 2012, 01:28 AM
X5's :)

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp4/brycemorgan452/_MG_8754.jpg

Fishbed77
August 6, 2012, 05:39 PM
Just forget Sig and get yourself a Walther. :)

Rock185
August 7, 2012, 08:55 PM
Hello all, .02 worth from an Old SIG owner/shooter/carrier/armorer. I have owned a variety of SIGs since the mid '80s, P210,P226,P228,P229,P220,P230,X-5, etc. It has been my experience that the all-German guns seem to be fitted more precisely barrel-to-slide-to-frame than later models. I didn't have any all-Germans that displayed rather loose slide to frame fit, etc. until the German/American versions. I had no German guns that needed file work on the barrel to fit, and then not very well, etc. Mine have all been reliable from the first, except for the .380 P230 that needed about 200 rounds through it before finally functioning reliably. My current X-5 appears to be all German ( SIG Customer Service confirms it is ) and fits and functions beautifully, as in 100%. In battery, there is no play in the barrel/slide/frame at all that I can detect. My X-5 fits like my previous, regular production, all-German SIGs did. Now I've owned some German/American type SIGs that fit well, but it's been a crap shoot whether you get a solidly put together one, or one that's kinda sorta/must be okay because it's a SIG and I paid a lot for it,etc. Most of the German/American versions I've handled fit more like a standard production Colt, a bit loose. I don't think I've owned a 100% American SIG, and know I've never had a German P210, so can't comment on them. I much prefer the way the the X-5, and the previous all-German guns, are fitted over most of the German/American guns I've handled...ymmv

ps, I do have a German/American P229R, that I examined before purchase and bought, because that particular example seems to be put together almost as well as my previous German guns. I had another, that was not put together near so well, and was disposed of...

918v
August 9, 2012, 12:48 PM
It has been my experience that the all-German guns seem to be fitted more precisely barrel-to-slide-to-frame than later models. I didn't have any all-Germans that displayed rather loose slide to frame fit, etc. until the German/American versions.

That has been my experience as well. But 99% of the people don't care

Rock185
August 10, 2012, 01:34 PM
918v, I absolutely agree with you. SIGs do function reliably whether German, German/American or all U.S. They say "SIG" on them and still cost good money, so they must be top quality, right? I suspect that many SIG purchasers of the last several years have never owned, or even handled, full German versions, and honestly don't realize there is any difference...

sigarms228
August 12, 2012, 12:25 AM
As mentioned the Mastershop pistols and X-Five P226s.

There are special runs from time to time that usually are not in the regular catalog such as the fairly recent runs of German P226s, some German P229s, and an extremely small lot of German P228s that Summit Gun Broker had.

Here is an example of a recent manufacture carbon steel slide German P226 that is NIB on GB. They usually are not that hard to find.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=297391483

I own more than a few of German and Exter SIG pistols and find them all to be extremely high quality and for me have functioned perfectly.

Out of my SIGs I would say that my two Exter P229s may be the best built/fit of my lot but by a very very slim margin as they all are great.

There are tons of great used 1980s and 1990s German SIG pistols for sale if one looks around and is a bit patient if that is what one is looking for.

I picked up this P226 for $499 from my LGS a couple years ago and it came with original case, paperwork, and test target.

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/kk9zz/P226g1.jpg

My Exter P226 with 18 round Mecgar magazine.

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/kk9zz/pp228-18ajpg.jpg

sigarms228
August 12, 2012, 12:47 AM
Just forget Sig and get yourself a Walther. :)

LOL Fishbed77.

Walthers, the real ones, are fantastic too. I have a Walther PPQ too but I love my SIGs at least as much. ;)

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