What Rifle Should I Buy?


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Fisherman12
August 2, 2012, 10:54 PM
I've owned a lot of pistols, shotguns, a 10/22, and a couple of bolt actions, but I really want to get a good self defense rifle. Something reliable, powerful (enough to stop someone with as few shots as possible but still good for in the home), long lasting, and has withstood the test of time in battle.

I've looked at AR15's, AK's, SKS, and a couple of others. I'm just not sure what to pick. Cost isn't the issue, but I'm not interested in these new all polymer rifles. I want, preferably, steel.

I will say this: I'm a little prejudiced against the AR. I've never really liked 5.56 and thought it was too small, and I don't like the design of the weapon overall.

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biohazurd
August 2, 2012, 10:57 PM
I think AK-47s are great first SD rifles because of their low cost and simplicity. Many of my fellow americans may think of me weird but i prefer the ak over the ar-15 rifle. I just have to have a collapsable stock because i dont have short russian arms.

meanmrmustard
August 2, 2012, 11:01 PM
Hmmm...a self defense rifle? Conundrum indeed.

If, as you say, cost is a non issue then me being you, you'd have an Arsenal SGL21.

It's sounds, though, like you have your bases covered for SD in the home, with pistols and shotguns. But, you'll not be undergunned with a good AK.:)

Infidel4life11
August 2, 2012, 11:03 PM
Bravo Company mid-length AR 15

Fisherman12
August 2, 2012, 11:20 PM
If, as you say, cost is a non issue then me being you, you'd have an Arsenal SGL21.



Is the AK47 good for self defense? I heard the round just bores straight through and doesn't do much damage and isn't going fast enough for it's caliber

foghornl
August 2, 2012, 11:35 PM
I have a Yugo Mdl 59/66 SKS...the one with all the grenade launcher stuff. I find it to be 'minute-of-bad-guy' accurate and reliable. The 7.62x39 round has enough power to do the job.

I can reload it using 10-round stripper clips almost as fast as my US Rifle Cal .30 M1 Popularly Know As "The Garand" with the 8-round en-bloc clips.

Now, when I can get some of the grenade-launcher blanks and dummy grenades, we can play "Yard Darts" { GRIN! }

meanmrmustard
August 2, 2012, 11:39 PM
Is the AK47 good for self defense? I heard the round just bores straight through and doesn't do much damage and isn't going fast enough for it's caliber
You have the benefit of aftermarket fare, not just FMJ milsurp. Exposed lead, hollow points, or ballistic tips can be had in x39. The round is going plenty fast enough.

Another suggestion is an M1 carbine.

ColdDayInHell
August 2, 2012, 11:40 PM
The 5.45 round is devastating in the AK74. The round has a hollow cavity in the FMJ bullet that retains it's shape right before it hits the target. I didn't know that it was a dangerous round up until the other day. But for most people, an AR-15 with a flashlight attachment would suffice as a SD weapon. And you said the 5.56 would be too small? Clearly you have not read 5.56 ballistics tables and understood the energy the 5.56 delivers. It is still less than the 7.62x39 but is much more accurate and stable. Just my opinion.

I keep a SR9c and Glock 36 in my nightstand. I trust them both with my life.

cfullgraf
August 2, 2012, 11:54 PM
I agree that the 30 Carbine would be a dandy home defense weapon. The only downside, I feel the WWII rifles should not be used for self defense role, but kept, and shot, for their historic value. But my opinion and five bucks will get you a Starbucks coffee.

Unfortunately, post war consumer M1 Carbines can be hit or miss. I here that the Kahr models are better. I will find out in the near future. i would like to get the Kahr paratrooper model.

A 30 M1 Carbine is fun too shoot though.

As an alternate, look at the 300 BLK in an AR platform. Performance is better than 30 Carbine and on par or better than 7.62x39.

In general, the AR platform is can be very accurate and there are lots of tacti-cool pieces on the market.

Except for the barrel, all the parts, including magazines, on a 300 BLK are 223 Rem standard so parts are readily available.

It is un to do the research. Good luck with your research.

meanmrmustard
August 3, 2012, 12:00 AM
I agree that the 30 Carbine would be a dandy home defense weapon. The only downside, I feel the WWII rifles should not be used for self defense role, but kept, and shot, for their historic value. But my opinion and five bucks will get you a Starbucks coffee.

Unfortunately, post war consumer M1 Carbines can be hit or miss. I here that the Kahr models are better. I will find out in the near future. i would like to get the Kahr paratrooper model.

A 30 M1 Carbine is fun too shoot though.

As an alternate, look at the 300 BLK in an AR platform. Performance is better than 30 Carbine and on par or better than 7.62x39.

In general, the AR platform is can be very accurate and there are lots of tacti-cool pieces on the market.

Except for the barrel, all the parts, including magazines, on a 300 BLK are 223 Rem standard so parts are readily available.

It is un to do the research. Good luck with your research.
Let me reiterate: any M1 carbine. Find one with a bayo lug, it's not WW2. There'd be your perfect HD rifle.

fanchisimo
August 3, 2012, 12:13 AM
Fisherman,

Check out this link that went on here not to long ago that matches what you asked very closely:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=670331

It presented quite a few comparisons and things to consider. Good luck in your search and pick whatever you are most comfortable with. Happy hunting.

Shawn Dodson
August 3, 2012, 12:23 AM
I like an SKS. It's inexpensive and reliable, especially if you keep the fixed 10 rd magazine.

You can buy premium ammo and it'll perform superbly.

In an EPR role (emergency preparedness rifle) you can stock up on cheap ($5/20 rds) Tula FMJ ammo from Walmart and be able to engage bad guys in cars, if necessary. To achieve the same capability with 5.56x45mm you have to spend $1 or more per cartridge.

I prefer a Norinco SKS paratrooper model. It handles and points like an M1 Carbine.

mf-dif
August 3, 2012, 12:36 AM
Fal .308. ;)

Really the 5.56 is more than capable of putting a man down effectively. A few rounds center mass and hes done. If you dont want an ar15, there is always a Sig, Scar L, Aug, HK.

bubba in ca
August 3, 2012, 12:36 AM
for HD in city or suburbs, I think .223 is the way to go. It has enough stopping power and less chance of overpenetration if you use the lighter bullets.
I happen to be fond of the .30 AK round, but unless I thought I had a high probability in my HD role to shoot thru car doors, etc., they are just slightly too much bullet. Trailer walls are even thinner than house walls!

Too many brands and models in ARs, and I haven`t touched one since Vietnam, so I will stick with my Mini14. Incidently, my mini14 has factory 20 round mags and I can live with the fact that it is not a target rifle..

The type of AKs being imported are risky on the QC end and the remanufactured ones are pricy. A good slightly used SKS that has had the bolt cleaned properly and the gas ports inspected would be my ``to go`` choice if I were to have to leave the city on short notice.

X-Rap
August 3, 2012, 12:37 AM
Here is another link http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=670690
I don't know if the 5.56 in military issue turns you off or is it just the caliber in general but I can't think of a better combination for a home defense rifle than a carbine length AR and some ammo that will come apart reliably in an attacker or your walls.
There are many tests done that show the bullets passing through less than pistol or shotgun rounds but if you have seen a Ballistic tip perform on flesh it will make you a believer.

meanmrmustard
August 3, 2012, 08:38 AM
I've owned a lot of pistols, shotguns, a 10/22, and a couple of bolt actions, but I really want to get a good self defense rifle. Something reliable, powerful (enough to stop someone with as few shots as possible but still good for in the home), long lasting, and has withstood the test of time in battle.

I've looked at AR15's, AK's, SKS, and a couple of others. I'm just not sure what to pick. Cost isn't the issue, but I'm not interested in these new all polymer rifles. I want, preferably, steel.

I will say this: I'm a little prejudiced against the AR. I've never really liked 5.56 and thought it was too small, and I don't like the design of the weapon overall.
Another suggestion: a pistol caliber carbine. Hi Point, CX4, Just Right, MechTech upper for a Glock or 1911 to name a few. These would be dandy HD weapons too.

Sav .250
August 3, 2012, 08:46 AM
Self defense/home rifle..........AK. Are you expecting a full blown fire fight ?
If your thinking of that type of weapon. Get the "big" clip, what ever that is.
Might just as well go all the way.

The_Armed_Therapist
August 3, 2012, 09:23 AM
I'm a little prejudiced against the AR. I've never really liked 5.56 and thought it was too small, and I don't like the design of the weapon overall.

I hear you on the design; it's not my favorite, either. However, I don't think you should discount the 5.56. At close range, it's just as good as anything at stopping people. The super light recoil better enables multiple shots, surely closing the gap (if there is any) between it and others. But like you said, the design is very strange. You should try looking into one of those Saiga AKs chambered in 5.56... Well, now I'm wondering if it's 5.56 or 5.45... Maybe both? :confused:

snakeman
August 3, 2012, 09:28 AM
m4gery loaded with vmax

One_Jackal
August 3, 2012, 09:39 AM
If you like an M1 you can get a brand new one through CMP. They are not cheap. Last price I saw was over $1500 plus shipping. But it is a brand new Springfield Armory M1. If you don't want to spend that much you can get a TG International FEG AMD-65 7.62x39 AK Variant (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/756/products_id/411545173/Rifles/Century+International+Arms+Inc.) It is a brand new AK made by FEG.

I don't blame you for wanting to pass on an AR. Just because it has a great ballistic chart doesn't mean the cartridge can apply the energy. I have heard way to many horror stories from veterans returning from combat. I didn't like the M16A1 rifle issued to troops when I served. A 60gr bullet isn't very comforting. A .308 or anything with a decent sized bullet would have given me much more confidence in my weapon. The .308 would eliminate the need to have so many different cartridges as well. The M60 shoots a .308.

Fisherman12
August 3, 2012, 11:00 AM
If you like an M1 you can get a brand new one through CMP. They are not cheap. Last price I saw was over $1500 plus shipping. But it is a brand new Springfield Armory M1. If you don't want to spend that much you can get a TG International FEG AMD-65 7.62x39 AK Variant It is a brand new AK made by FEG.

I don't blame you for wanting to pass on an AR. Just because it has a great ballistic chart doesn't mean the cartridge can apply the energy. I have heard way to many horror stories from veterans returning from combat. I didn't like the M16A1 rifle issued to troops when I served. A 60gr bullet isn't very comforting. A .308 or anything with a decent sized bullet would have given me much more confidence in my weapon. The .308 would eliminate the need to have so many different cartridges as well. The M60 shoots a .308.


As far as the M1, are you talking about the Garand? It's certainly powerful, but would that be practical for home defense?

And yes, I've heard too many horror stories about the M16 and 5.56 too. My brother in Afghanistan, my uncle in Vietnam, and plastic and aluminum doesn't appeal to me. I like blued (or park'd) steel, wood, and a .30 cal or bigger.

gbeecher
August 3, 2012, 02:36 PM
Have you considered the Mosin-Nagant M38, M44 or Chinese T53? These rifles are incredibly simple and rugged and the 7.62x54R cartridge is on par with a .308 Winchester or Springfield .30-06. I have a Mosin-Nagant 1891/30 (longer version) and I love shooting it. It's dependable, easy to clean, well balanced and easy to shoot. Anyone taking a direct hit from the 7.62x54R will be out of the picture! Your choice.. :)

X-Rap
August 3, 2012, 02:58 PM
Something reliable, powerful (enough to stop someone with as few shots as possible but still good for in the home), long lasting, and has withstood the test of time in battle.


In the home is a worthwhile consideration and to some so is the automobile, I would encourage you to research the lengths of some of your choices as well as the loaded weight and see if that is compatible with your requirements.

mickeyblueyes
August 3, 2012, 06:25 PM
Sorry, but I must be the devils advocate here. I see no better home defense than a short barreled shot gun loaded with 00 buck,and a 9mm loaded with 17 rounds. I don,t see the need for a bullit that's travels3200 per second in the house.

meanmrmustard
August 3, 2012, 07:03 PM
Sorry, but I must be the devils advocate here. I see no better home defense than a short barreled shot gun loaded with 00 buck,and a 9mm loaded with 17 rounds. I don,t see the need for a bullit that's travels3200 per second in the house.
Thank the Lord you said it so I wouldn't feel compelled.

GrandmasterB
August 3, 2012, 07:06 PM
How about a lever action .357 Magnum?

claiborne
August 3, 2012, 07:39 PM
A "self defense rifle" .....sounds like "not going on the offensive" . Sounds like a 12 gauge shotgun with slugs or buckshot. pretty versatile firearm......

Fisherman12
August 5, 2012, 03:06 PM
How about a lever action .357 Magnum?



Maybe. Who makes the best one of those?

GrandmasterB
August 6, 2012, 04:43 PM
Rossi, Marlin, Winchester, Henry....

I have a Winchester 94 Trapper and it is great - 16" barrel keeps it short and handy and it will hold 9 in the mag and one in the chamber of .357mag, or 10+1 of .38 Special.

TonyAngel
August 6, 2012, 04:48 PM
Cost no obect and 5.56 is too small? Larue in .308.

Roadking Rider
August 6, 2012, 06:03 PM
Everytime I think of a good all around rifle. My mind automatically goes to the Lever Action 30/30 Marlin 336. It might not be my most powerful rifle like my M1 Garand, or put the amount of rounds down range in a hurry like my Mini14, or SKS , but it's just a darned fine rifle. Being realistic it will take care of anything I should come up against.

henschman
August 6, 2012, 10:01 PM
You think a 5.56 is too underpowered but you would consider something in pistol caliber!? The 5.56 puts a lot more ft./lbs. on target than a .357.

I love high powered battle rifles as much as anybody, but for the home defense role, the extreme lack of barrier penetration that the poodle shooter offers becomes an asset rather than a liability. Light grain 5.56 (and by the same virtue, 5.45x39) penetrate drywall and brick less than even a shotgun with 00 buckshot or a 9mm, due to the fact that the round is so light and is travelling so fast. It dumps energy quickly, and fragments easily. This also means that it is quite effective for anti-personnel at close range. You want a light weight round, like a 55 grain. Personally I keep mine loaded with M193.

OhioChief
August 7, 2012, 12:44 AM
Do you want a rifle, or a HD weapon? sounds like you're covered in the HD category. I know everybody has their own thoughts (thank God), but rifles and HD to me, don't go together. Handguns and shotguns are HD weapons. Rifles are for outdoor purposes. however, if I had to pick a HD rifle, it'd be a carbine in a pistol round. A highpoint (not on the expensive list) is a easy choice. Most other choices go right through walls into other houses. and so do pistol rounds, but they have a lot less powder behind the bullet. And honestly, at night, do you want to fumble around with a rifle? My wife and I have revolvers for that. Point and shoot. or hell, just shoot, because nobody's gonna wait to see what you hit, they're gonna run. I know, my 2 cents. but you really have to think through what the mission is for the gun you want.

dnilson
August 7, 2012, 01:42 AM
While I like the idea of an AR as a home defense rifle, I don't think it should be your first option and agree with some of the other posters, in that I've ALWAYS heard that a good old fashioned 12 gauge is the best long gun for home defense. First of all, it's EXTREMELY intimidating. A sheriff once told me that he's seen intruders jump through windows and heard of them jumping from second story windows, after hearing a 12 gauge being racked...it's supposedly the most recognizable noise in the world! There are good reasons for this. Shotguns leave devastating wounds and if shot from close range, are often fatal.

I have 2 ARs...an AR-15 (Daniel Defense M4, V4, in 5.56) and an AR-10 (Christensen Arms CA-10 custom, match grade build in .308), but my 12 gauge and "The Judge" (revolver that shoots .410 shells and .45LC) are what I keep under the edge of my bed...with my AR-15 nearby. If you like the idea of an AR-15, I would stick with a 5.56 (with home defense (HD) ammo) and NEVER consider an AR-10 in a .308 or .300, due to the potential for over penetration. While this can be an issue with ANY handgun or rifle, depending on how your home is built (don't forget about your neighbors, as some rounds could go through your walls, or even your windows and straight into your neighbors home), it's less likely with a 5.56 than a .300 or .308, especially if you use light weight, HD ammo. Also, please don't consider a handgun as your only home defense option. There's an old saying..."you use your handgun to fight your way to your rifle"!

Also, if money is not an issue, I would HIGHLY recommend a Daniel Defense 5.56 and doubt anyone here would disagree with me. Even more than with handguns, there are several "levels of quality" when it comes to ARs. There are some really cheap ones. Then there are much better rifles like the S&W M&P series (like a new Chevy). Above those would be the mil-spec ARs (the same quality used by our armed forces) like Colt (like a new Cadillac Escalade), then above those would be the top of the heap brands like Daniel Defense or LaRue (like a new Mercedes). These ARs are ABOVE mil-spec, meaning they use higher quality materials, add on's and oversight techniques (ex: MPI testing) than required by the military. I only have personal experience with Daniel Defense, but would highly recommend them. The only ARs better than these, would be match grade, custom built rifles costing several thousand dollars. The great thing about the top ARs are that they are only a few hundred more than much cheaper rifles (something new buyers would be wise to learn). For example, you could get a new S&W M&P AR for $800-900. A new Colt could be had for $1100-1300 and a new Daniel Defense would cost around $1500-1700. Hope this helps. :D

RmB
August 7, 2012, 01:49 AM
Sir, look no further than the Sig Sauer: Sig716 Patrol Rifle.

Wildcat_Charlie
August 7, 2012, 11:54 AM
I have to disagree with the idea that there's no reason to own a SD rifle. If you lived on my farm you'd know why. First you're on your own completely. Second there are times when a person needs to defend himself and his family against multiple bad guys and some of those bad guys have long range rifles. Trust me I know this for a fact. My cousin had his house shot up on the farm from about 500 yards away on top of a hill. To even begin to think about shooting back against something like that you will need a rifle.

And there are these things called gangs roaming around too. They have invaded our farm in previous generations when bank robbers carried machine guns. They come in groups too.

When a big snow hits or an ice storm hits or a big wind hits (like just happened 6 weeks ago) you can find yourself isolated. You will be hoping you don't have any enemies that hope to settle a grudge at those times. And I thought I had one doing just that the night of the storm but it turned out to be my neighbor who moved away but happened to be home that night late. It wouldn't be the first time I was threatened from his property. We're talking a bunch of drug dealing scuzz balls who don't like anyone much unless you're a customer. They fear you if you're straight.

I've already named several incidents where a good battle carbine is a handy to have. Sometimes you need a rifle that will reach way out there and smack someone. IMO that's what separates the 7.62 x 39 based weapons from the 5.56 based weapons or better still the 5.45 based weapons.

Actually I bought an SKS way back when before AR's were affordable or readily available in my area. I haven't had a good reason to replace that weapon. I like it very much because it is super reliable, powerful enough, and has enough range for where I live. And I find AR's to be less reliable so even though an AR has far more range than an SKS I still prefer the SKS. I do have long range rifles though. I just don't think I need to be able to fire multiple rounds at that kind of distance. That is taking the fight to the bad guy and the only time you should be doing it is if they are firing at you from that extreme distance. In case they do I have a 30.06 that will reach out there pretty far. It will fire farther than I have a need to ever fire.

So yes I agree that the main tools for HD are shotguns and handguns but I do not agree that there is no need for a battle carbine that fires multiple rounds quickly. My choice is the SKS mainly because I bought one and it still works very well 20 years later. I actually have two now in fact. Backups are always a good idea. But that's not to say that an AR can't be an excellent HD weapon for someone on a remote ranch or farm. Just for example say you live on the Arizona / Mexico border. You most certainly might need a battle carbine. There are good reasons to choose various platforms. For me the SKS is excellent. Others may need the longer distance of the AR but I do have to say that an AR in a caliber like .308 can be one heavy piece of hardware. There are lots of details to consider here and one thread isn't really enough to cover all the issues.

justice06rr
August 7, 2012, 10:41 PM
I will say this: I'm a little prejudiced against the AR. I've never really liked 5.56 and thought it was too small, and I don't like the design of the weapon overall.

I'm interested to why such bias?

There are plenty of other calibers and platforms available on the AR15. It doesn't necessarily have to be 5.56, or the M4 variant.

If you're deadset against the AR, then a good AK is your next best option. I have both and prefer the AR15, so no bias there.

Here is why. If you have to shoot multiple rounds quickly, the 5.56/223 is very controllable and you will stay on target much better. Not to mention accuracy is superior than the AK. Range/distance of target is another consideration. The AR excels in all of these.

On the other hand, the AK is rugged, fun to shoot, makes large holes, and the ammo is cheap.

justice06rr
August 7, 2012, 10:50 PM
While I like the idea of an AR as a home defense rifle, I don't think it should be your first option and agree with some of the other posters, in that I've ALWAYS heard that a good old fashioned 12 gauge is the best long gun for home defense. First of all, it's EXTREMELY intimidating. A sheriff once told me that he's seen intruders jump through windows and heard of them jumping from second story windows, after hearing a 12 gauge being racked...it's supposedly the most recognizable noise in the world! There are good reasons for this. Shotguns leave devastating wounds and if shot from close range, are often fatal.



That is not always the case. Your weapons should always and already be loaded. Racking is not necessarily "intimidating" and it might not even be heard in from the outside the home. Making the choice based on the intimidating sound is not reasonable IMHO. Sure a shotgun is an effective HD weapon, but so is a rifle or a pistol.

marksg
August 7, 2012, 11:13 PM
I'd have to agree with the lever action .357 as far as a "in the house defense" rifle.
Personaly i keep my SR9 handy for HD.

stubbicatt
August 9, 2012, 09:38 AM
How about a lever action .357 Magnum?
+1 here. I remember several years ago here in the inter web there was a story about a college somewhere that peformed a mock trial before a jury on a home defense situation where the homeowner in one trial used an AR15, and in the other some lever action IIRC. The juries split in their decision.

The facts were identical, the scripted examinations of witnesses were identical. the AR15 toting homeowner was convicted, the cowboy toting homeowner acquitted. The researchers polled the mock juries and their decisions turned on which gun was used, the AR15 looked scary and deadly, and the inference they drew was that the homeowner was just waiting to kill someone.

I keep this sort of thing in mind whenever I think of a home defense sort of situation. To survive the encounter with the home invaders only to be consigned to the greybar hotel with the invader's homies as my roommates does not appeal.

303tom
August 9, 2012, 09:52 AM
How about a MAS 49/56............

powder
August 9, 2012, 10:46 AM
Go to Youtube and check out "TNP" the nutnfancy project. He reviews 71 rifles therein; Goes over ar vs. ak, great AKs, great ARs.

There are sooo many more great rifles on the market than just 15 years ago, it is a tough decision now.

tubeshooter
August 9, 2012, 11:07 AM
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tubeshooter
August 9, 2012, 11:30 AM
I own and have shot:


SKS
.357 lever
.30-30 lever
12 ga. shotgun


I have never had to test it out for HD (thank goodness), but I think all 4 will do and I could recommend.

Really, a lot of things will do. A number of rifles are flat out overkill...


Many people have gotten by just fine with the shotgun in this role for many years.

jason41987
August 9, 2012, 06:27 PM
definitely an AK or AR15.. M1As, mini-14s, SKSs will always be around.. whenever someone tries pushing for further legislation on firearms its against the AK or AR15.. so go for one of those first

the AR15 is far, far more accurate, nearly as reliable, more expandable, more customizable, and more modular than the AK

the AK for some reason i keep finding myself going back to... i dont know why, but it does seem to have a pull on me

meanmrmustard
August 9, 2012, 06:57 PM
definitely an AK or AR15.. M1As, mini-14s, SKSs will always be around.. whenever someone tries pushing for further legislation on firearms its against the AK or AR15.. so go for one of those first

the AR15 is far, far more accurate, nearly as reliable, more expandable, more customizable, and more modular than the AK

the AK for some reason i keep finding myself going back to... i dont know why, but it does seem to have a pull on me
Meh. As modular, but not near as light. Both are compact, but AR is an easier hump if you're hoofin it.

dmak04
August 9, 2012, 07:22 PM
I have an AR, AK, 12 GA pump, M1A and several other pistols/rifles. I personally am an AK guy and find myself grabbing that more frequently than any other of my guns. Its fun to shoot, just as customisable as ar and much less expensive.
In a HD situation I choose a carbine or a semi auto rifle over all. 12ga is too much recoil for a fast follow up shot and has to be pumped to reload. That can be confusing in a stressful situation. With a semi rifle/carbine you get low recoil, quick followup shots, greater accuracy. My 2 cents

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wlewisiii
August 9, 2012, 07:43 PM
My home defense rifle is also my deer rifle - Winchester 94 .30-30 loaded with 170 gr JSP. Put a Williams peep sight on it instead of optics and you'll be set.

snake284
August 9, 2012, 08:49 PM
I've owned a lot of pistols, shotguns, a 10/22, and a couple of bolt actions, but I really want to get a good self defense rifle. Something reliable, powerful (enough to stop someone with as few shots as possible but still good for in the home), long lasting, and has withstood the test of time in battle.

I've looked at AR15's, AK's, SKS, and a couple of others. I'm just not sure what to pick. Cost isn't the issue, but I'm not interested in these new all polymer rifles. I want, preferably, steel.

I will say this: I'm a little prejudiced against the AR. I've never really liked 5.56 and thought it was too small, and I don't like the design of the weapon overall.

I've heard this silly argument about the 5.56 since the 60s. I don't worry about it. Lots of people bad mouth it, but not many would stand out there 300-400 yards and let me take a few shots at them with it. What? No takers? LOL!!!

Seriously, the 5.56 against human targets is very potent. If you're comparing it to the Commie 7.62x39, it comes down to velocity v. bullet weight with Ballisitics coefficient thrown in for good measure. They're both looked at by some as underpowered, but when used as designed they are both up for the purpose as Vietnam will testify. ARs and Aks are what they are. Lots of people own them and are more than satisfied with them. If you want an elephant gun go by a 458 Lott, but for small to medium game and just fun shooting, they are hard to beat. Also ammo for both is cheap.

justice06rr
August 9, 2012, 10:17 PM
In a HD situation I choose a carbine or a semi auto rifle over all. 12ga is too much recoil for a fast follow up shot and has to be pumped to reload. That can be confusing in a stressful situation. With a semi rifle/carbine you get low recoil, quick followup shots, greater accuracy. My 2 cents



^ Exactly. Some people think that it only takes one shot and a BG will magically stop attacking you, or the rack of a shotgun will make them run away like little girls.

meanmrmustard
August 9, 2012, 10:35 PM
^ Exactly. Some people think that it only takes one shot and a BG will magically stop attacking you, or the rack of a shotgun will make them run away like little girls.
I would.

Maverick223
August 9, 2012, 11:01 PM
IMO a SxS coach shotgun is about as good as it gets for HD, but if you really want a rifle the Caliber .30 M1-Carbine is a tough one to beat. It is battle-proven and has much better ballistics than you oft hear, it's also very lightweight and easy for anyone to handle with ease. My second choices are the VZ.58 and M17S (though this one is 5.56NATO).

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