Sears Roebuck 45cal kentucky rifle,


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sarg
August 3, 2012, 09:25 PM
Looking for current value and powder charge for the sears Roebuck Kentucky Rifle (45 cal). want to shoot Pyrodex"P"
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/sarg1c/IMGP0035.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/sarg1c/IMGP0038.jpg

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bubba15301
August 3, 2012, 09:27 PM
start with 45 grains with a patched roundball. don't know about the value.

sarg
August 3, 2012, 09:32 PM
Thanks Bubba. I'm wanting to shoot this thing. value doesent realy matter, it's a keeper.

PRM
August 3, 2012, 09:37 PM
Got a .45 H&R Stalker.

I've had good results punching paper with 45 grains FFFG. Step it up to 70 grains for hunting. Good accuracy with both loads.

St8LineGunsmith
August 3, 2012, 09:38 PM
I was going to say start with 50 gn charge but ya a 45 gn gharge would be a good start too.
remember pyrodex is measured by volume not grains
sorry I cant help with any info on value. My bluebook dont have any info on the Sears and roebuck Kentucky Rifle

mykeal
August 3, 2012, 10:25 PM
It's a Jukar, aka CVA, Spanish made rifle. Use those values. There should be marks on the barrel similar to these:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/CVA%20Kentucky%20Pistol/P2160115.jpg
Those are Spanish proof marks. the 'I' indicates proof year. Lack of such marks could indicate it's a Douglas barrel made in US, or that the gun has been 'defarbed'.

bubba15301
August 3, 2012, 10:57 PM
might be japanese muzzleloader

atblis
August 3, 2012, 11:10 PM
Looks like a Miroku.

St8LineGunsmith
August 3, 2012, 11:22 PM
ummm Dont look like any Miroku i have seen.

I would be more inclined to think it was made by CVA and branded for sears and roebuck

CVA used to make Kits and fully assembled models for Otasco also. and i think Western Auto had CVA make kits for them too.

mykeal
August 4, 2012, 12:34 AM
CVA only 'made' those kits for a few years. The vast majority were made in Spain by Jukar and imported by CVA, then sold to distributors like Otasco, Sears, Target, etc. Like I said before, look for the proof marks on the barrel. If there aren't any, it's probably a Douglas barrel from the early years, or has been defarbed.

It's definitely not a Miroku.

That picture of the proof stamps is from this rifle:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/CVA%20Kentucky%20Rifle/550.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/CVA%20Kentucky%20Rifle/R0010551.jpg

The trigger and bolster are different from my rifle, and mine does not have the patchbox, but the lines are very similar. Bottom line: I believe it's an early Jukar.

Chawbaccer
August 4, 2012, 06:35 AM
Wood looks like what the Japs used on my Ultra-Hi from the mid 70's and the lock don't look like a Jukar. Anyways, lots of these guns were imported for the Bicentennial, probably lots still around in some form or another. I would guess the value around 200 as they weren't all that good to start with.

MICHAEL T
August 4, 2012, 01:32 PM
Might have trouble lighting off Pyrodex with the side lock. I always did a little BP first then the Pyrodex . my old traditions wonldn't fire relieably if I didn't. I gave up and went to black powder. That what you should shoot in these any way.

St8LineGunsmith
August 4, 2012, 01:58 PM
I agree BP is better and easier to clean.
Goex FFFg is what I use.

atblis
August 4, 2012, 09:41 PM
http://www.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9855413
http://www.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9968806

wkumatt
August 4, 2012, 10:19 PM
It is a Japanese Rifle, Miroku sounds right. One hung on my wall for years with a rounded off (stuck) nipple. The only difference between mine and the OP was mine was browned not blued, and I had part of the original paperwork that had the makers name on it. I might still have a picture of the rifle but regrettably not the instructions.

As to value I recently gave the one that had been hanging on my wall away.

arcticap
August 5, 2012, 02:08 AM
It's looks just like the Miroku Kentucky rifle pictured in this thread:

value of Miroku Japan/Sears .45 kentucky rifle

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5075315&postcount=1

zimmerstutzen
August 5, 2012, 06:38 AM
I have a Sears zouave made in italy
Jukar, miroku, and the Italians all made similar looking models
Proof marks tell the story
Most hap locks say made in Japan on the inside of the lock

St8LineGunsmith
August 5, 2012, 11:15 PM
It's looks just like the Miroku Kentucky rifle pictured in this thread:

value of Miroku Japan/Sears .45 kentucky rifle

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5075315&postcount=1
aparently the OP's Sears and Roebuck Muzzleloader is indeed a Miroku.

arcticap
August 6, 2012, 09:46 AM
Looking for current value and powder charge for the sears Roebuck Kentucky Rifle (45 cal). want to shoot Pyrodex"P"

Regarding the ball and patch size, the Ultra Hi Miroku Kentucky had a very tight bore with slow twist rifling. It was recommended to use a .433 ball with at least a .010 patch. I suggest to start with approximately 40 - 45 grains of FFFg powder and increase it incrementally by 5 - 10 grains until the best accuracy is obtained.
The tight bore diameter can be reasonably verified by measuring it with calipers.

Although they say .45 cal, my thinking is, it is closer to .44. The reason is, I can barely get a .440 ball down the barrel with a .010 patch, but a .433 pistol ball and the same patch work great.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=264672&highlight=ultra

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