Done my research; which .308 bolt you pick for me here?


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DefiantDad
August 3, 2012, 11:09 PM
OK, I've done the research and narrowed down my .308 bolt gun to the below.

After this, some months later, I will get a .308 Semi-Auto, then a shotgun.

But for now, which of these should I go for?

(I am favoring the X-Bolt except for the non-synthetic stock; this might be a dumb question but is Browning considered to deliver the best quality out of all these? I can pay top dollar, but not if it is not actually justified).

This will be the only bolt gun I will ever buy. So, don't want any "starter" guns.

Thanks!

General criteria

Want stainless bbl - used in coastal weather varying between desert hot and tropical rains (but mostly dry)
Will mount bipod for target shooting at the range mostly but also occasionally use for hunting
Will mount decent optic
Need best trigger
Need to minimize recoil "pain" (within reason)
Up to 600 yards range

Described concisely, I want a sniper/hunting rifle.

Some key questions I still have

1) Is 1:10 twist much better than 1:12 for the ammo weights I probably should be shooting?
2) Is heavier rifle better for felt recoil control (7 lbs 8 oz versus 6 lbs 8 oz) ?
3) Is 24" much more accurate and powerful and longer range than 22" ?
4) Is X-Bolt mounting really better than traditional mounts?

Savage Arms Weather Warrior 16/116 FCSS ($825)
1:10 twist
6 lbs 14 oz
22" stainless bbl
41.75" overall length
4 rounds detachable box

Browning X-Bolt White Gold ($1400)
1:12 twist
glass bedded
6lbs 8 oz
22" stainless bbl
41 3/4 overall
rotary magazine - 4 rounds
X-Bolt Feather Trigger
inflex recoil pad

Winchester Model 70 ($930 to $1200)
Which stainless model?
Narrowed down to:

Extreme Weather SS - Bell and Carlson lay-up composite stock ($1200)
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001C&mid=535110

Ultimate Shadow SS - Synthetic Stock ($930)
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001C&mid=535135

Coyote Light - Bell and Carlson Carbon Fiber Composite ($1100)
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001C&mid=535115

All are 1:12
All are 5 rounds magazine

22" for Extreme Weather 6 lbs 12 oz
22" for Ultimate Shadow 6 lbs 12 oz
24" for Coyote Light 7 lbs 8 oz

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meanmrmustard
August 3, 2012, 11:27 PM
Can I suggest the Tikka T3?

browningguy
August 3, 2012, 11:39 PM
Of the guns you list the Savage will most likely be the most accurate, the Browning will have the finest fit and finish, and the Winchesters tend to be middle of the road on everything.

12" twist will work fine for any reasonable weight of .308 bullet. 150 gr. is probably most commonly used for deer hunting but it will shoot 180's with no problem. For target shooting out to 600 yards something like the 155 gr. Palma load or a 168 BTHP load will work really well.

For shooting out to 600 yards 22 or 24" barrel will make next to no difference.

The only issue with the Xbolt as you mention is the wood stock, while I love wood stocks and have several of them they do not hold up as well to rough use as a synthetic.

Of those you mention and with your requirments in mind the Weather Warrior is probably the way to go. Personally I would prefer the Browning, the White Gold models are really attractive rifles.

DefiantDad
August 3, 2012, 11:43 PM
Can I suggest the Tikka T3?
Like this one?

http://www.tikka.fi/t3models.php?varmintss

1:12 twist.

(Their website makes it hard for me to figure out what is special about them).

Abel
August 3, 2012, 11:50 PM
The M70 Exreme Weather is a very nice rifle. FN makes/owns Winchester & Browning, but the M70 is actually made in South Carolina. I would go with that. I wish it came in lefty.

DefiantDad
August 3, 2012, 11:57 PM
The M70 Exreme Weather is a very nice rifle. FN makes/owns Winchester & Browning, but the M70 is actually made in South Carolina. I would go with that. I wish it came in lefty.
Hi - what does this "Bell and Carlson lay-up composite stock" mean?

DefiantDad
August 3, 2012, 11:58 PM
Of the guns you list the Savage will most likely be the most accurate, the Browning will have the finest fit and finish, and the Winchesters tend to be middle of the road on everything.

12" twist will work fine for any reasonable weight of .308 bullet. 150 gr. is probably most commonly used for deer hunting but it will shoot 180's with no problem. For target shooting out to 600 yards something like the 155 gr. Palma load or a 168 BTHP load will work really well.

For shooting out to 600 yards 22 or 24" barrel will make next to no difference.

The only issue with the Xbolt as you mention is the wood stock, while I love wood stocks and have several of them they do not hold up as well to rough use as a synthetic.

Of those you mention and with your requirments in mind the Weather Warrior is probably the way to go. Personally I would prefer the Browning, the White Gold models are really attractive rifles.
Yes, the Browning is a truly beautiful rifle. But upon further thought, I don't think the wood stock will cut it (not sure if that was a pun there...).

Coming from a Browning guy, that is quite strong support for accuracy in the Savage! :-)

WoodchuckAssassin
August 4, 2012, 12:00 AM
Tikka T3 is a nice choice for sure, but of your 3 choices, I'd say the Savage is your best bet (and at the best price). The trigger is as nice as you'll find (I actually prefer it to most win. 70 and Rem. 700 triggers), and I believe the barrel is free floated for added accuracy. I know the Savage 10/110 is free floated, so I'm not 100% sure if they all are.

A twist of 1:9 or 1:10 will stabolize any grain bullet you'd want to send down range. The savage doesn't have a bull barrel, and while that WOULD reduce recoil, I really don't think the .308 will buck all too bad. Good luck with your choice.

meanmrmustard
August 4, 2012, 12:01 AM
Like this one?

http://www.tikka.fi/t3models.php?varmintss

1:12 twist.

(Their website makes it hard for me to figure out what is special about them).
Yes please!!!

Don357
August 4, 2012, 12:03 AM
How about a Ruger M77, or a "Gunsite Scout"? I personally have a Stevens Model 200 in .308, basically a Savage 110 without the 'accutrigger'. LOVE IT!!!!

Abel
August 4, 2012, 12:08 AM
Hi - what does this "Bell and Carlson lay-up composite stock" mean?


Hand lay-up is the simplest and oldest open molding method of the composite fabrication processes. It is a low volume, labor intensive method suited especially for large components, such as boat hulls. Glass or other reinforcing mat or woven fabric or roving is positioned manually in the open mold, and resin is poured, brushed, or sprayed over and into the glass plies. Entrapped air is removed manually with squeegees or rollers to complete the laminates structure. Room temperature curingpolyesters and epoxies are the most commonly used matrix resins. Curing is initiated by a catalyst in the resin system, which hardens the fiber reinforced resincomposite without external heat. For a high quality part surface, a pigmented gel coat is first applied to the mold surface:

http://www.engineershandbook.com/MfgMethods/handlayup.htm

The Extreme Weather does not have a traditional injected type stock. As per specifications developed by Bell and Carlson and Winchester Repeating Arms, the stocks are "constructed using a 'hand lay-up' process, using a variety of composite materials. These composites -- including fiberglass, aramid fibers, graphite, epoxy gel coats and laminating resins; and polyurethane reinforcement with milled fiberglass -- provide a warm and solid feel rather than the hollow feel one gets from injection molded stocks." The Extreme Weather stock is reliable over a temperature range of -50 degrees to +140 degrees Fahrenheit for extreme stability under any heat and cold conditions you might encounter around the world: Alaska to Arizona and beyond:

http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001C&mid=535110

1858
August 4, 2012, 01:28 AM
DefiantDad, I have a Savage Weather Warrior chambered in 7mm-08 (FCSS) and a Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather SS chambered in .300 Win Mag. Of the two, I would absolutely recommend the Winchester over the Savage. The only part of the Savage that is superior to the Winchester is the AccuTrigger and I say that because I prefer "two-stage" triggers. The rest of the Savage is utter rubbish, particularly the AccuStock. OK ... you can change the barrel easily on the Savage but who cares? If you buy a M70 chambered in .308 Win why would you want to change the barrel since it'll last forever, it'll be accurate and it's fluted. The M70 stock is outstanding as is the action. The only rifle I would recommend over the Winchester is a Kimber 8400 Montana which is even better than the Winchester.

By the way, I paid $850 for my M70 and that was NIB. I paid $680 for the Savage and for $170 more you get a vastly better rifle with the Winchester.

TonyAngel
August 4, 2012, 01:43 AM
Which are you going to be doing more? Hunting or target shooting? Target shooting with a 7lb rifle is going to get pretty uncomfortable pretty quickly. If you have to choose one rifle, get a rifle that you will use the most; unless you don't mind hunting with a really heavy rifle.

My target rifle in .308 weighs 17lbs with the bipod and optics setup. After I get through shooting a 20 round string, I know it. I couldn't imagine doing that with a 7lb rifle.

In any case, of the three that you listed, the Savage is a good consideration. The price neighborhood of the Browning and Winchester are too close to what having a semi custom built to be worth the price. If I remember right, I think I have around $1500 in my last build. 700 action with a Krieger barrel in an HS Precision stock.

DefiantDad
August 4, 2012, 02:45 AM
So... with the higher price and the wood stock, Browning is out of the picture. Sad to see it go but I have to stick with my criteria.

I will MOSTLY be shooting at the range and MAYBE go hunting with the rifle some time later after I get good enough to try taking game humanely.

Tikka is going to replace the Browning as the contender. I haven't really researched Tikka enough, although I've heard the name mentioned a few times on THR.

DefiantDad
August 4, 2012, 03:43 AM
Researched the Kimber a bit. Looks like no .308 for the 8400 unfortunately, at least not for the synthetic stocks. The only .308 I could find is their Tactical series but a) not sure if they sell to civilians as it was all designated Police this and that and b) the sniper models are moving into price range for my upcoming semi-autos.

DefiantDad
August 4, 2012, 03:45 AM
Which are you going to be doing more? Hunting or target shooting? Target shooting with a 7lb rifle is going to get pretty uncomfortable pretty quickly. If you have to choose one rifle, get a rifle that you will use the most; unless you don't mind hunting with a really heavy rifle.

My target rifle in .308 weighs 17lbs with the bipod and optics setup. After I get through shooting a 20 round string, I know it. I couldn't imagine doing that with a 7lb rifle.

In any case, of the three that you listed, the Savage is a good consideration. The price neighborhood of the Browning and Winchester are too close to what having a semi custom built to be worth the price. If I remember right, I think I have around $1500 in my last build. 700 action with a Krieger barrel in an HS Precision stock.

Hi - so you mean basically for range shooting, I should get a heavy rifle, but for hunting, a light one? Seems like I have a dilemma then.

Abel
August 4, 2012, 06:47 AM
I will MOSTLY be shooting at the range and MAYBE go hunting with the rifle some time later after I get good enough to try taking game humanely.

It won't take you very long to get good enough to hit a softball sized circle a 100 yards. 95% of all the deer that I have tagged have been within 100 yards. I've been killing 2-3 deer a year since 1988.

Hi - so you mean basically for range shooting, I should get a heavy rifle, but for hunting, a light one? Seems like I have a dilemma then.

No, you just have to let a rifle with a lighter weight barrel cool down more between your groups. If you are out at the range trying to get three or five shot groups, you simply wait ten or fifteen minutes after the last shot before you shoot again. A heavy barreled rifle doesn't heat up so quick, but it will be a pain to carry in the woods all day. I would much rather use a hunting rifle as a target rifle than use a target rifle as a hunting rifle.

DefiantDad
August 4, 2012, 06:56 AM
Hi. You mean wait 10 or 15 minutes between every GROUP, or every SHOT?

(This is news to me BTW!)

I assume this only applies to precision hunting / sniper barrels to keep the rifling intact?

Because I can't see how this would apply to a .308 battle rifle.

I let my AR and handguns cool down every two magazines, for maybe 5 mins.

Abel
August 4, 2012, 07:08 AM
It's not to keep the rifling intact, it's because a hot barrel will oftentimes deliver the bullet to a different point of impact than a cool barrel. If you sight in your hunting rifle, and its had two or three five shot groups shot in fast succession, you may notice that it won't shoot as good or in the same spot.

DefiantDad
August 4, 2012, 07:14 AM
I see. Thanks!

tc54
August 4, 2012, 07:17 AM
i suggest the winchester m70 extreme weather. while i only have one fn model 70 (a super grade), i have numerous friends who own the new ew rifles, and every one is very accurate and built to perform in all weather conditions. imo, you can't go wrong with any of the new win m70's being made at the fn south carolina plant.

303 hunter
August 4, 2012, 07:57 AM
I found a good compromise to the same situation. A Remington 700 VTR in 308. It has a v-cut heavy barrel,weighs 9.5 pounds with optics. It will shoot sub 1" groups. Heavy enough to tame recoil,light enough to carry in the woods. It's not stainless,but I prefer blued guns.

1858
August 4, 2012, 12:50 PM
Researched the Kimber a bit. Looks like no .308 for the 8400 unfortunately, at least not for the synthetic stocks. The only .308 I could find is their Tactical series but a) not sure if they sell to civilians as it was all designated Police this and that and b) the sniper models are moving into price range for my upcoming semi-autos.

Take a look at the Kimber 84M Montana .... it's available in .308 Win. I have the 8400 version of this rifle (.300 WSM) but I plan on adding an 84M at some point, either in 7mm-08 Rem or .308 Win.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/rifles/model-84m/montana

You can definitely buy the tactical models. I've shot a pair of the 8400 Advanced Tactical models, one chambered in .308 Win and the other in .300 Win Mag ... both very good rifles.

Abel
August 4, 2012, 12:59 PM
The Kimber 84M is the same as the 8400, I believe in a short action.

kcshooter
August 4, 2012, 12:59 PM
Savage 16, Tikka T3, Remington 700. Take your pick.


One other thing, don't pay $825 for the Savage.

Pay $550 and get a decent scope with it.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/78613/Savage+16+TH+XP+308+NIKON


Even if you don't want the Nikon, sell it, use the money towards good rings, a limbsaver pad (will offset the heavy vs light rifle recoil issue), and a Harris bipod.

Put the $270 you just saved towards whatever glass you want.




The rest of the Savage is utter rubbishI don't believe you'll find this to be a consensus opinion here, or anywhere else.

wlewisiii
August 4, 2012, 01:15 PM
Of those, I'd get the Coyote Light Winchester 70. That said, I'd rather get a Marlin XS-7 again if buying new or, better yet, just screw a .308 heavy barrel on a nice Czech made Mauser action. Your mileage will vary.

1858
August 4, 2012, 01:54 PM
I don't believe you'll find this to be a consensus opinion here, or anywhere else.

It's just my opinion based on owning and shooting numerous rifles from different manufacturers. I won't buy another Savage rifle ... one was more than enough to convince me that there are much better options out there. Savage rifles are crude in every respect and the AccuStock and recoil pad are nothing short of a disgrace on a $650+ rifle. I'd rather spend $850 for a Winchester or $1,050 for a Kimber rather than $650 for a Savage but everyone else is free to spend their money as they choose.

DefiantDad
August 4, 2012, 05:59 PM
Alrighty, I took a closer look at Tikka but this stopped me cold:

"Free-floating in models with wooden stock."

So, maybe one day when I go for a wood stock, I will take another look at Tikka.

In the meantime, Winchester is edging up to the de facto choice right now.

"The Extreme Weather SS rifle's free-floating, fluted stainless steel barrel is made..."

The Kimber 84M looks great, and is a couple hundred bucks more than the M70 (these are recommended retail prices; I will try to get a better deal from my LGS obviously). The 84M is a bit lighter than the M70 also.

I am not sure if the 84M is free floated. I would assume if it was, they would put it in the description: "Accuracy is ensured by the match grade barrel, chamber and trigger, along with pillar bedding on all models and glass bedding on rifles in big game calibers."

So, I will probably go for the M70.

I realize a few people here recommended the Savage as the better value, but I am thinking, just purely on the rifle alone, is the Winchester a better rifle than the Savage? Probably (?). Is the Savage a better rifle than the Winchester? Probably not (?). So I will thus go with the better rifle.

It's all guesswork for me obviously, not even having shot a .308 (there's none I can rent at my local range; largest caliber I can rent is the AK in x39mm). So the only way I can shoot it is to BUY it and then shoot it. (At least I could rent and test most of the handguns).

DefiantDad
August 4, 2012, 06:02 PM
OK friends, let's assume I am going with the M70.

The Extreme Weather SS rifle's free-floating, fluted stainless steel barrel is made in the same factory as those found on U.S. military rifles and machine guns, and features a recessed Target Crown to protect the rifling. With quality optics, premium ammunition and good shooting conditions, 1 MOA accuracy can be expected -- if you, your ammo and your optics are up to it. The fluted barrel allows us to give you a stiffer barrel profile that does not carry excessive weight. So the Extreme Weather SS feels very light but offers accuracy of a heavier rifle. Two stainless steel sling swivel studs are installed as expected. In fact, all major components are stainless to keep you gun looking and working well year after year in tough conditions. You will need to buy scope bases and rings to match your setup separately, so don't forget.

What scope + mount should I buy? I assume $1000 to $2000 budget?

EDIT: Oh, if possible I would like to use this scope also on my upcoming semi-auto .308; will the scope for this hunting rifle require long eye relief? If so, does that mean I am limited to the M1A which would mount a similar scope?

1858
August 4, 2012, 06:14 PM
The Kimber 84M looks great, and is a couple hundred bucks more than the M70 (these are recommended retail prices; I will try to get a better deal from my LGS obviously). The 84M is a bit lighter than the M70 also.

I am not sure if the 84M is free floated. I would assume if it was, they would put it in the description: "Accuracy is ensured by the match grade barrel, chamber and trigger, along with pillar bedding on all models and glass bedding on rifles in big game calibers."

The Kimber barrel is free floated but the Winchester is still a very good choice. I mounted Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40mm scopes with the RZ600 reticle on my M70 and 8400 using aluminum Picatinny rails from EGW and aluminum rings from Seekins. I chose a Picatinny rail so that I could move the scopes far enough forward since the Zeiss has 4" of eye relief. The long action M70 didn't require a Picatinny rail but the 8400 short action did. The Zeiss retails for around $580.

http://thr.mcmxi.org/rifles/kimber/montana/photos/kimber&winchester_02.jpg

DefiantDad
August 4, 2012, 06:18 PM
OK thanks; I will price both the Kimber and the Winchester with the LGS and see.

I suppose I can mount a 1913 on all hunting rifles? And then use 1913 scope mounts?

1858
August 4, 2012, 06:22 PM
What scope + mount should I buy? I assume $1000 to $2000 budget?

With a $2000 budget you could afford to mount dedicated quality scopes to both the M70 and a .308 semi-auto.

OK thanks; I will price both the Kimber and the Winchester with the LGS and see.

I paid $1,050 for my Kimber from a local gun shop. I paid $850 for the M70 from the same shop ($50 rebate).

jmr40
August 4, 2012, 06:26 PM
I own both Kimber and Winchester EW rifles in 308. Both are very good. I replaced the cheap B&C stock on the EW with a McMillan Edge. Took 1/2 lb off the rifle and it feels much better. The Kimber is stock


169390

This is typical of my Winchester EW at 100 yards

169391

A typical 200 yard group.

Of course the Kimber ain't bad. To be honest this is not typical, but the best group. Average group size is about the same as the Winchester

169392

DefiantDad
August 4, 2012, 06:29 PM
OK thanks for the price reference. May I know how long ago were these purchases?

Another thing I thought of, maybe M1A ergonomics translate more easily to that of a bolt action (i.e., my bolt action training will translate easier to the M1A platform)? That's for down the road but would apply here if I were to get a scope usable for both rifles (assuming I am not going to go dedicated on each just yet).

DefiantDad
August 4, 2012, 06:32 PM
I own both Kimber and Winchester EW rifles in 308. Both are very good. I replaced the cheap B&C stock on the EW with a McMillan Edge. Took 1/2 lb off the rifle and it feels much better. The Kimber is stock


169390

This is typical of my Winchester EW at 100 yards

169391

A typical 200 yard group.

Of course the Kimber ain't bad. To be honest this is not typical, but the best group. Average group size is about the same as the Winchester

169392
Thanks for the pics. Please confirm this newbie's understanding: Those are sub-MOA right? (under an inch at 100, and under 2 inches at 200).

dprice3844444
August 4, 2012, 06:37 PM
http://www.tobystactical.com/
http://www.snipercountrypx.com/pc-5707-836-remington-700-ss-5r-milspec-20-wthreaded-muzzle-308.aspx

Abel
August 4, 2012, 06:41 PM
I suppose I can mount a 1913 on all hunting rifles? And then use 1913 scope mounts?

I have never had a reason to use a 1913 Mil-Spec rail on anything. But I am certain that as long as you buy the right one with the right holes for your model rifle, you would be good to go.

On a boltaction hunting rifle, Talley one-piece rings/bases look nice and function well.

http://www.talleymanufacturing.com/cgi-bin/public_controller.cgi?view=products&category_recnum=6

As far as optics go, a high quality 3-9x40mm scope like a Ziess Conquest or a Leupold VX-2 or VX-3 would be perfect.

Elkins45
August 4, 2012, 06:46 PM
Alrighty, I took a closer look at Tikka but this stopped me cold:

"Free-floating in models with wooden stock."

So, maybe one day when I go for a wood stock, I will take another look at Tikka.

The synthetic doesn't have to be free floated because it doesn't need to be. The synthetic doesn't move with differences in weather conditions.

My Tikka in 308 (lefty) is even more constantly accurate than my Savage and Winchester.

1858
August 4, 2012, 07:00 PM
OK thanks for the price reference. May I know how long ago were these purchases?

May 12th of this year.

jmr40
August 4, 2012, 08:07 PM
DefiantDad,

The 100 yard groups are under .5 moa, The 200 yard group is .6 moa.

I like both rifles. If forced to pick between the 2 I'd say the Winchester EW is the best all round working rifle in production today. I much prefer CRF actions to PF. All the newer production Winchesters have been top notch and are a good bit less expensive than the Kimber.

I like the Kimber as well, but view it as more of a specialized rifle. The Winchester weighs just under 8 lbs all up with scope and mounts in the factory stock. The Kimber with the same scope and mounts is just under 6 lbs. That 2 lb weight difference is expensive, and harder for most to shoot well. The Kimber is accurate, but not every shooter can master a rifle that is under 6 lbs scoped.

I replaced my factory stock and my Winchester weighs 7 lbs 6 oz. as it sets. I think this is a better compromise weight. Light enough to carry all day in the mountains, and still enough weight to shoot well from field positions. Even with the factory stock the EW is an awfully good rifle for the money. Not everyone would spend the difference for a 1/2 lb lighter stock, but I could afford it, and it was worth the expense to me.

snakeman
August 4, 2012, 08:13 PM
I would pick the model 70.

meanmrmustard
August 4, 2012, 08:16 PM
Synthetic Tikkas need no floating.

jason41987
August 4, 2012, 09:57 PM
my vote goes for the savage, in fact, im looking to purchase a basic savage to accurize and build into a custom rifle for myself in the near future

lovethosesooners
August 4, 2012, 11:02 PM
My pick of the rifles listed initially for your dual usage of a range and hunting rifle would be the Coyote light...in fact, that is what I have chosen as well as my next rifle (except mine will be .243).

After much study, I see it as excellent for both applications in that it is heavy enough (7#, 8 oz) to absorb recoil, AND it has a medium/heavy fluted barrel for slower heating at the range, as well as for accuracy....It's also not too heavy for hunting.

I have the Savage weather warrior (25-06) and think it's a great gun for hunting...not as good however as the Coyote Light at the range due to barrel characteristics. IMO, the Accustock is an excellent stock-not really sure I understand how someone could think differently...the guns VERY aacurate.

Also have an X Bolt (.308 Medallion), LOVE the rifle-even at less than 7#, it does not have much recoil in the .308 (nor do I really think any you are cosnsidering would have-it's just not a hard kicking round IMO).

Also have Winchester Model 70 Sporter (.270)....it's one of, if not my favorite bolt action (which is also why I decided on the Coyote Light as my next instead of a Thompson Icon or a X Bolt hunter).

In terms of the Tikka, always here very good things about them, but IMO, I find after handling several of them, there is way too much "slop" in the action...all that I've tried "wobble"...based upon their accuracy reputation, it must not matter, it just bugs me....

Abel
August 4, 2012, 11:19 PM
Love those sooners, you have a great point. I 100% overlooked the M70 Coyote Light for the OP's original stated use. It is even set up for a bipod with those double sling studs!


http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001C&mid=535115

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/652827/harris-s-br-bipod-sling-swivel-stud-mount-6-to-9-black

lovethosesooners
August 4, 2012, 11:24 PM
Kind of funny Abel, doesn't seem to be much a big seller, but think they really did hit a great balance for many applications-plus, it's really cool lookin'!

DefiantDad
August 5, 2012, 03:05 AM
OK since it's so cool, maybe I'll just get that one. Haha.

Seriously, it does look suitable, which is why I had it on the short-list.

It is a couple inches longer. I guess I wish they were in 1:10 but you guys said 1:12 is fine for 600 yards.

Abel
August 5, 2012, 06:16 AM
I like the Coyote Light for your purposes, but the Extreme Weather has a little more going for it in the hunting rifle dept. as opposed to the target rifle dept. and I tend to zone in on those features. I spend about 1-3 hours per year at a range bench and 1-200 hours a season toting a rifle through the woods.

DefiantDad
August 5, 2012, 07:08 AM
I like the Coyote Light for your purposes, but the Extreme Weather has a little more going for it in the hunting rifle dept. as opposed to the target rifle dept. and I tend to zone in on those features. I spend about 1-3 hours per year at a range bench and 1-200 hours a season toting a rifle through the woods.

Yup; I guess either will be fine. Will price the Coyote as well and maybe will get that. It does look like it will suit what I want to do with it.

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