What .45 For Self Defense?


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Fisherman12
August 5, 2012, 02:05 PM
I asked about the G21/G21sf earlier. But I shot it again yesterday and the grip is too fat and long (even the SF) for me.

But I'm seriously trying to get a tough, reliable .45 semi auto that can last a lifetime.

This is going to be a full size home defense and possibly CCW self defense firearm, so it must be absolutely reliable. I know machines can fail, but the point stands.

It needs to be a time tested, proven design that's well known for reliability and durability.

Any suggestions?



My budget is $2,000

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Inebriated
August 5, 2012, 02:14 PM
There are a lot of good options. You need to narrow it down.
DA/SA or SAO? How about DAO or striker fired?
Polymer, alloy, or steel frame?
Budget?

JTQ
August 5, 2012, 02:14 PM
I agree with your assessment of the G21/G21SF frame size being too large, at least for me.

I have a 1911 and an S&W 4506 that both work well for me. I do like the .45ACP round and would also consider the Sig P220, the Ruger P90 (out of production, but should be available used), the Ruger P345, the S&W M&P 45, and the XD 45. I find the FNP45 and CZ97 more "gripable" than the G21, but both still seem larger to me than the other's I mentioned.

Most pistols these days are pretty reliable. If you buy from a company like S&W, Ruger, or Springfield, even if it breaks, they will probably fix it for free and most likely even pay for the shipping.

CDR_Glock
August 5, 2012, 02:24 PM
I asked about the G21/G21sf earlier. But I shot it again yesterday and the grip is too fat and long (even the SF) for me.

But I'm seriously trying to get a tough, reliable .45 semi auto that can last a lifetime.

This is going to be a full size home defense and possibly CCW self defense firearm, so it must be absolutely reliable. I know machines can fail, but the point stands.

It needs to be a time tested, proven design that's well known for reliability and durability.

Any suggestions?

For the money, striker fire pistols are reliable, durable, accurate and well made:


I have shot my friend's Springfield XD Service 45 ACP. It is an excellent option. The XDM allows a change in grip sizes.

I have a Glock 30 which is an excellent option, also. It's a good balance of size, capacity/firepower, reliability, concealment with the ability to accommodate for the G21 magazines.

The S&W M&P is a solid pistol with similar features as the XDM, also.

I have 1911s but I only recommend mid-level and better, if you desire reliability:

Guncrafter No Name 1911
Ed Brown Special Forces
Mars Armament T.H.U.G. (Twight Hard Use Gun)

CTGunner
August 5, 2012, 02:36 PM
I'm also looking for a solid .45. I like the G21 but you are right the grip on it is THICK. You should check on the H&K .45 USP. This guy does a nice review on it in this video and compares it to the new HK 45. Both really look like great guns. In the review he makes the point that the USP is really a no nonsense fighting pistol and now having held it I have to agree. It's made for shooting and there is no doubt in my mind having handled it that it will last a lifetime and then some easily. They also make a compact USP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLLuF8SqO3E

JTQ
August 5, 2012, 02:40 PM
I haven't handled an HK USP in a while, but they always seemed in the "too big" category along with the G21. That's the reason the HK45 came about, to give them an ergonomic, user friendly pistol.

Fisherman12
August 5, 2012, 02:42 PM
There are a lot of good options. You need to narrow it down.
DA/SA or SAO? How about DAO or striker fired?
Polymer, alloy, or steel frame?
Budget?


Your right, I should narrow it down.
To be honest, I don't care if it's DA/SA, SAO, DAO, or striker fired. Each have their advantages and I've shot them all.

As far as material, I've always been a "blued steel and walnut grips" fan, and that is my preference, but I understand that that's not the standard now and times have changed. All I can think of that's all steel is the 1911 and CZ, but I'm not sure.

I don't really like aluminum frames, I think I'd prefer a good polymer frame with the slide riding on steel inserts.


My budget is $2,000

JTQ
August 5, 2012, 02:48 PM
My budget is $2,000
Les Baer UTC

http://www.lesbaer.com/1911UltTact.html

Inebriated
August 5, 2012, 02:49 PM
True enough. Biggest difference to me is SAO and DAO require more practice.

Now there is always the P220 for steel. There's the Stainless Nitron, which is their black Nitron finish on stainless steel, and then there's the Elite Stainless with a stainless finish. The rest of the P220 line has an aluminum frame, I believe. They're right around $900 in my area, which isn't bad, given your budget.

CTGunner
August 5, 2012, 02:58 PM
I haven't handled an HK USP in a while, but they always seemed in the "too big" category along with the G21. That's the reason the HK45 came about, to give them an ergonomic, user friendly pistol.

I agree with you that they are probably too big for most to carry but I believe that the OPs first requirement is home defense and not necessarily carry. This is also why I mentioned that the HK USP 45 also comes in a compact version.

For 2k you could get the Full Size and the Compact and have money left over and have 2 really great guns.

Oh, and while the USP is a 'big' gun in no way is the grip as thick as the G21.

Again, if you are looking for a life-time shooter you can't go wrong with a 'big' gun like the USP that has been battle tested. Going with a smaller design might be OK but i think it's hard to imagine a gun like the new Springfield XDs in .45 (Very small/compact/ and good for carry) lasting as long as a USP.

If you are open to a 1911 there are all kinds of options under 2k - but I generally think you will find that they aren't as reliable as an out of the box H&K or Glock but of course that's just my opinion. 1911 Options that I really like include Wilson Combat (A used CQB or X-Tac) or perhaps a new Les Baer Thunder Ranch. I'm not a big Les Baer fan but a lot of people have had great luck with his Thunder Ranch pistols.

miles1
August 5, 2012, 03:24 PM
Poly: Springfield XD
S&W M&P

Metal: CZ(Yes..they are that awesome)
Beretta
Stoeger Cougar

I cant recomend a 1911 personally as their hit or miss on the reliablilty scale IMHO.

Jason_G
August 5, 2012, 03:28 PM
If it were my money, a nice 1911 would be getting ordered.


Jason

ScottieG59
August 5, 2012, 04:10 PM
I would check with police efforts in this area. A double stack 45 ACP is too big for many people.

Before I would give up on the Glocks, I would look into the grip you use when holding it. The Glock was ergonomically designed and I had to be shown the right grip.

Also, the Glock 36 is single stack and easier to carry. It might be an option.

Another option is to reconsider the 45 ACP as many police agencies. Other options are the 45 GAP, 40 S&W and 9mm. They all work if you don't miss.

labhound
August 5, 2012, 04:38 PM
I have an alloy frame Stoeger Cougar 8045 and an polymer XD45 Service 4". Both are excellent 45's. The Cougar is about $450 new and the XD is around $550 new. Both well within your range. I also have an excellent Nighthawk Talon 5" 1911, well above your range. While the Nighthawk is an excellent 45, good quality 1911's can be had for alot less money. The Cougar and Nighthawk hold 8 rounds. The XD holds 13 which was the main reason I bought it and I've been pleasantly surprised what a nice gun it is. I'd recommend all three but if you're looking for something for home defense and possible carry I'd go with the XD45. Quality gun with great capacity.

jmr40
August 5, 2012, 04:47 PM
Glock is my default 1st choice. I think they are that much better and anyone with all but the tiniest hands can make a SF framed gun work. If it is still too big I'd still get a Glock, but in the smaller framed 40 or 9mm. Their simply isn't enough difference in actual perfomance to worry about with todays best ammo in any chambering.

If it absolutely had to be 45, and I absolutely could not make a Glock work, I'd go with the Smith M&P 45.

nathan
August 5, 2012, 05:00 PM
G 30, for home defense and carry . Best money can buy. THe big guns are for the range and home.

Vern Humphrey
August 5, 2012, 05:08 PM
I've carried a full-size M1911 for longer than I care to remember. My current carry gun is an early Kimber Classic (ca 1995) in a tuckable holster of my own design.

GCBurner
August 5, 2012, 05:09 PM
The single stack Glock 36 is much smaller in the grip area, but you can get the full-size Glock 21 or Glock 30 slimmed down quite a bit with the Robar grip reduction, if you need a full-capacity magazine in a Glock .45ACP.
http://www.robarguns.com/glock.htm

WoodchuckAssassin
August 5, 2012, 05:33 PM
1911. There are many good companies out there, but like another poster said, Les Baer makes an excellent 1911. Glocks have their own cult following, but I can't get on board with a gun that doesn't have an external safety (revolvers excluded, of course). Whatever you decide on, I would spend around 1200 of your 2grand on the gun, and spend the rest on ammo. you'll have everything you need in a $1200 gun, and you can never have too much ammo.

I also hear good things about STI's, but the only brand I have any experience with is Ruger's version of the 1911, and I never looked back. Great gun, and it didn't cost me 2000 wing-wangs :)

The Man With No Name
August 5, 2012, 08:47 PM
Les Baer UTC

http://www.lesbaer.com/1911UltTact.html

Agreed. If you want the ultimate in reliability and accuracy on a budget then the Les Baer is it imo. It is still a 1911 benchmark to many.

pps
August 5, 2012, 09:45 PM
Fisherman12


Your right, I should narrow it down.
To be honest, I don't care if it's DA/SA, SAO, DAO, or striker fired. Each have their advantages and I've shot them all.

As far as material, I've always been a "blued steel and walnut grips" fan, and that is my preference, but I understand that that's not the standard now and times have changed. All I can think of that's all steel is the 1911 and CZ, but I'm not sure.

I don't really like aluminum frames, I think I'd prefer a good polymer frame with the slide riding on steel inserts.



I'm not saying it's "THE" way to go, but it's the way I'm going, in a tuckable holster. The Colt Government model 1911. It's been reliable right out of the box. Over 1k of ball ammo and 150 rounds of Federal HST, no failures so far.

I'm a blue steel/wood grips kind of guy, myself.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/pps_2006/Hand%20Loading/LittlePhillie.jpg

jolly roger
August 5, 2012, 09:46 PM
I have a S&W M&P 45 Compact. Very nice for the money and you can use leftover funds for about 4-5 more magazines and ammo. That's what I did. Shoots every bit as good as a Glock 30 or USP Compact. It isn't quite as accurate as my Sig 220ST but that thing is magical..and heavy.

mavracer
August 5, 2012, 10:09 PM
There are plenty of 1911s suitable for the job, at that price point I'd certainly reccomend a Baer, I'd also be tempted to look at a STI eagle the 2011s are top notch.
as to non 1911s I have a Sig p220 and a FN FNP45 I sleep fine with either in the nightstand.
The FNP is there right now.

ndh87
August 5, 2012, 10:36 PM
any US made fullsize 1911 in 45 auto

Texan Scott
August 5, 2012, 11:26 PM
For $2,000? You Could get the ATI 1911, the RIA 1911, and the Umarex 1911, and comparison test them!
(Or, just get a nice basic Kimber Custom II, several McCormicks, and a LOT of range ammo)

Cycletroll
August 5, 2012, 11:34 PM
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10+1, light, accurate, reliable, Gucci $1500

mnrivrat
August 6, 2012, 03:01 AM
Sig 220

DylNger
August 6, 2012, 06:20 AM
Personally I don't think you can do better than a Sig P220. The only drawback is mag capacity IMO. There are a bunch of great .45's around. For 2 grand you can get into the top notch 1911's. But they're usually target pistols, not combat pistols. The P220 is a combat pistol. $2000 is a LOT of money for a pistol IMO. Generally people only spend that much when they want extreme accuracy. And extreme accuracy means tighter chambers which means less reliability.

That's why a P220 is a better SD gun IMO. It is plenty accurate out to at least 50 yards. But it is still dead reliable.

But these are general guidelines. I do know I saw a torture test of a P220 that was just incredible. It was posted online but it's gone now. Part of it is still available I guess. You can read about what they did here on the Internet Archive (http://web.archive.org/web/20070523114216/http://www.americanhandgunner.com/Lasermax.html) but the photos won't be there. Still you'll get the idea. What they did to that pistol was incredible. It would have helped to see the size of the crane they used to run over the pistol and how far up they were in the helicopter when they dropped it. Plus the drop onto concrete from the top of that building was really impressive too. But shooting it with another pistol and it still working was the real proof of just how tough they are. The photo showed how much damage was done to the gun but it still fired. I'm telling you it was an incredible torture test and by far the hardest treatment I've ever seen any gun survive.

Anyway that's what you get when you buy a Sig. Plus Sig guaranteed the P210 to shoot a 2" group from 50 yards and that was before the P220 was designed and produced. The new P210's are guaranteed to shoot a 1" group at 50 yards. That's mighty impressive for a combat pistol IMO.

The P220 is a fairly big gun but people forget that the frame is aluminum. It's not as heavy as a full steel pistol. That certainly doesn't keep it from being tough though.

There are some other guns I think are great combat type handguns that are really good for SD. The HK USP is a great choice. And truth be told most of the 1911's are going to work very well too. I just don't think you need to spend $2000 to get a top notch defensive handgun. I think the Sig P220 is as tough and reliable as it gets and they are about half that $2000 price. I've had mine a good while so I didn't pay that much for it. I've got at least 15,000 rounds through it and it still runs great. I keep it in my desk drawer just in case. Of course I have guns all over the house but I sit at the desk a lot. I keep a bunch of mags though because like 1911's they just don't hold as many rounds as I would like. That's where the Springfields come in. I have a XDm .40 that holds 16 + 1. I know that's not a .45 but I bought it before the XDm .45 came out. Those hold 13 + 1 rounds which is great IMO. Heck I have a Taurus PT-145 that is much smaller than my Sig that holds 10 + 1. That thing is amazing how they squeezed so many rounds in such a small space. It's never had the slightest problem as far as firing but it is no Sig. Neither is the XDm. Sig makes a freaking nice pistol IMO.

BTW that $2000 could buy you a new P210 Legend which is a remake of the original P210. That is probably the best pistol ever made IMO. But it isn't a .45. It's a 9mm but it's been called the perfect pistol by some. (http://www.netgunsmith.com/2012/03/the-sig-p210-legend-a-perfect-pistol/) It can be bought for under $2000. That guy talks about getting 1" groups with any ammo. I don't know if that means the claims of 1" groups at 50 yards is bogus or it takes special ammo or the guy just can't shoot that well. I've shot 2" groups with my P220 plenty of times at 20 yards or more. Heck I've shot groups like that with my Taurus.

Fisherman12
August 6, 2012, 07:27 AM
I'm not saying it's "THE" way to go, but it's the way I'm going, in a tuckable holster. The Colt Government model 1911. It's been reliable right out of the box. Over 1k of ball ammo and 150 rounds of Federal HST, no failures so far.

I'm a blue steel/wood grips kind of guy, myself.


That's a nice Government Model! I'll have to keep an eye out for one. I've been hearing that the new Colts these days are very well made.

Nappers
August 8, 2012, 05:20 AM
I have a Colt Commander 1911 .45ACP that I love. Never had a problem. I inherited it from my dad when he passed and he guesses it was purchased 25-30 years ago. It had a trigger job, ramp polishing etc. It has a 4lb trigger.

I love it. I use it off duty. My XD .40 is just to big to hide, the Commander hides quite well in my IWB holster from Blackhawk.

$2,000 bucks is a good budget.

Some indoor ranges have guns to rent if you have one near you, rent a few and see what you like!

Happy shopping!

burk
August 9, 2012, 06:43 PM
$2000 gets you a Kimber Gold Combat, and I suspect discounted with a weapons light. I like lights on all my home defense guns. It's full size, bushing-less bull bbl. with night sites. Since you're not looking for a carry gun, I would suggest full size. Might as well have a longer bbl, and heavier frame to reduce muzzle flip and shoot more comfortably at the range. You might be able to find a Les Baer Thunder Ranch or Dan Wesson Specialist for that price too. Broken in properly a 1911, will be as reliable as any gun, and they will spoil you at the range.

If you don't go 1911, my first choice would be the FNP-45 (FNH) which comes with three 14 round magazines and the option of carrying cocked and locked, or de-cocked as a DA/SA pistol. But their are plenty of other great .45 ACP alternatives, the HK USP tactical, I've also heard great things about the S & W M & P platform in .45. I love Glocks, but especially with your budget, I'd spend the extra money for a gun I feel is a better platform in .45 ACP.

Dr.Rob
August 9, 2012, 07:11 PM
For $2k you could get an HK P9S...

Or a solid Colt and a bunch of ammo.

That's a lot of budget.

DylNger
August 9, 2012, 07:31 PM
That's a lot of budget.

Yes it is. It's way more than is needed to meet his requirements. I know he has a problem with double stack grip thickness. That's why, again, I think the Sig P220 is plenty enough gun for his needs. In pretty much ever online poll I've seen where people can pick their own .45, the P220 is either #1 or #2 behind the HK USP. More than $1100-$1200 will get you more accuracy if you buy the right gun but it might get you less reliability because accurate guns are built to be accurate instead of reliable. Accurate enough is the point you want to look for IMO. Then you can have rock solid reliable and very accurate in the same gun. And that is what a P220 is.

StrikeFire83
August 10, 2012, 12:44 AM
THIS Glock guy went Xdm-Compact when it came time to buy a .45 ACP and I haven't looked back.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l315/strikefire83/XDm-45%20Compact/001.jpg

Smith357
August 10, 2012, 03:38 PM
When I went to add a modern combat .45 to my gear list, my first gun on the short list was the Glock 21. I found the Glock too big for my girlie hands so I went with my number 2 on the list, the M&P45. So far its been dead reliable, though in all honesty I only have about 2000 rounds of handloads through it. Accuracy is OK but not great, 6" groups at 25 yards, and darn sure not as good as my wheel guns, but then I did not buy it to be a target pistol.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/smith357/armory/MP45/IMG_7161.jpg

CTGunner
August 10, 2012, 04:06 PM
The ergonomics on the M&P are excellent. I can't get my hands around a Glock 21 either. Even the short-frame is uncomfortable for me. Unfortunately I find the M&P Trigger a bit odd and uncomfortable to shoot, otherwise I would own one.

TxBobS
August 10, 2012, 04:31 PM
What about the XDs 45?

ATLDave
August 10, 2012, 04:33 PM
In addition to those already mentioned, there's also FN's big hammer-fired polymer-framed double-stack .45. Some of those come outfitted with a mini-red-dot in lieu of a rear sight, if such a thing interests the OP.

Dr_B
August 10, 2012, 06:07 PM
That M&P .45 in post #33 will definitely get the job done. I knew someone who found themselves on the wrong end of one. I also knew the person on the other end of the gun. That gun, filled with Remington Golden Sabres, ended a life in less than one minute.

Cocked & Locked
August 10, 2012, 10:32 PM
This...

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6263277/392216138.jpg

Zerodefect
August 11, 2012, 12:06 AM
I suggest :

XD single stack
Dan Wesson CCO, ECO, Valor
Ed Brown Molan (or any)
Colt CCO, New Agent, 1991, Series 70
Les Baer (any)

If you're budget goes to $2000, take a good long look at the Dan Wesson threads over at 1911forum.com. They are making really nice 1911's right now.

Don't spend more than $800 on a Kimber. Those days are gone. Kimber Gold Combat? Bwaa hahahhah!

76shuvlinoff
August 11, 2012, 07:15 AM
For EDC I use .40,9mm, or .380 because they fit my clothing and stature.

I stopped counting at 1200 rounds with this .45, (and no it wasn't all ball) contrary to all the "information" I read at a certain gun related websites I have never had a misfire stovepipe or any other failure with it so it earned nightstand duty. Back then $2000 would have bought this pistol and $900 in ammo.

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr123/76shuvlinoff/000_0580.jpg

DylNger
August 11, 2012, 11:58 AM
This...

Wow yours looks almost identical to mine. The only difference is the serial # and it's not off that far. Do you happen to know how to date these pistols? My serial # is a smaller number than yours so I'm guessing mine is older of course. Mine has some holster wear but it's nothing serious. It was like that when I bought it many years ago.

texagun
August 13, 2012, 04:35 PM
I'm seriously trying to get a tough, reliable .45 semi auto that can last a lifetime.

This is going to be a full size home defense and possibly CCW self defense firearm, so it must be absolutely reliable. I know machines can fail, but the point stands.

It needs to be a time tested, proven design that's well known for reliability and durability.

Any suggestions?

German-made Sig P220

CommanderCrusty
August 13, 2012, 04:54 PM
My S&W M&P .45 has never jammed or malfunctioned. It has a comfortable grip and excellent night sights from the factory. I think it is an excellent choice.

My Para single stack, on the other hand, malfunctioned and had to be sent back for warranty repair. Since then, it has also been 100% with everything from 200 grain semi-wadcutters, to ball to 230 grain hollow points. The 1911 also has a nice grip, great sights and an excellent trigger.

Both are available in compact versions. Good luck with your shopping. :)

HorseSoldier
August 13, 2012, 05:08 PM
In the OP's $2000 budget, I'd be another vote for a 1911 -- that budget allows for a lot of options in the higher end production end of the pool. More than bare bones models from Kimber, Springfield, S&W or Dan Wesson (my vote) are all in that price range.

ColdDayInHell
August 13, 2012, 05:22 PM
I have a Glock 36 and I have grown to love it. Check out the Springfield XDs too. If you want more capacity, go for the G30.

rookorami
August 13, 2012, 06:02 PM
I have the sig p220 carry.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p220-carry.aspx

I picked it up with night sights for about 850.

stinger 327
August 14, 2012, 12:02 AM
For $2,000? You Could get the ATI 1911, the RIA 1911, and the Umarex 1911, and comparison test them!
(Or, just get a nice basic Kimber Custom II, several McCormicks, and a LOT of range ammo)
In that price range you could get a few of those RIA .45 ACP's.

stinger 327
August 14, 2012, 12:05 AM
This...

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6263277/392216138.jpg
That's quality and accuracy right out of the box and it's SA/DA too in the $800 range.
A Glock works for me but you might want to check into the baby Glock (I forget which model number) if the regular size glock doesn't fit your hands well.

SUPERMAN 3
August 14, 2012, 05:26 AM
Hk usp

Fisherman12
August 14, 2012, 11:11 AM
Sorry for leaving everyone hanging.

I'm trying to find a Series 70 new production Colt, but it's hard to find one in person.

Other than that, I'm still thinking about another .45.

Problem with Glocks and XD's are that they don't fit my hand at all.

Problem with USP is that it's too "snappy" in my hand. It just doesn't "feel" right.

I'd prefer a model that's been around for at least 20 years or so and is well proven and reliable. I do prefer steel frames.

Prosser
August 14, 2012, 05:18 PM
Hi
I like stainless if you are carrying it CCW.

Detonics CombatMasters and pretty much their entire line are excellent stainless firearms. Pick your size.

Ed Browns' bobtail. Dan Wessons' now very expensive bobtail commander.

Check Wilson as well. Colt's are classics in 1911's as well.

For something completely different the Kahr PM45 and CW 45's are very light and concealable, and shoot well.

Fisherman12
August 14, 2012, 10:14 PM
Is it not letting anyone else go to the third page?


update: nvm its fixed

stinger 327
August 15, 2012, 12:00 AM
I asked about the G21/G21sf earlier. But I shot it again yesterday and the grip is too fat and long (even the SF) for me.

But I'm seriously trying to get a tough, reliable .45 semi auto that can last a lifetime.

This is going to be a full size home defense and possibly CCW self defense firearm, so it must be absolutely reliable. I know machines can fail, but the point stands.

It needs to be a time tested, proven design that's well known for reliability and durability.

Any suggestions?

I love the Glock 21 and it is the full size model as it's accurate. But I want another .45 ACP and I don't have a 1911 and from what I understand a 1911 is one of those kinds of guns that you have to have at least one of which would be a RIA Armscor for me because the price is right.:) Or get a Sig P-220 but that costs in the 800 range:eek: and isn't a 1911 style but a SA/DA pistol of great quality and shoots accurate right out of the box.
Sig 1911 are in the $1,000 range :what::uhoh:

My budget is $2,000
I love the Glock 21 and it is the full size model as it's accurate. But I want another .45 ACP and I don't have a 1911 and from what I understand a 1911 is one of those kinds of guns that you have to have at least one of which would be a RIA Armscor for me because the price is right. Or get a Sig P-220 but that costs in the 800 range and isn't a 1911 style but a SA/DA pistol of great quality and shoots accurate right out of the box.
Sig 1911 are in the $1,000 range

HKGuns
August 15, 2012, 09:50 AM
Your budget is two grand and you were looking at gLoCk? Something doesn't add up here. There are a lot of choices in that budget. Go to a range and shoot some.

powder
August 15, 2012, 10:02 AM
Glock 36 IWB in summer.

Caspian Custom OWB with winter clothes.

HorseSoldier
August 15, 2012, 12:10 PM
Your budget is two grand and you were looking at gLoCk? Something doesn't add up here. There are a lot of choices in that budget. Go to a range and shoot some.

With a $2K budget, the Glock option would allow for pistol, high quality holster, a combat/defensive pistol course with a top tier instructor and money left over for a bunch of ammo and money for any range fees that might be involved in continuing practice. I'm not really a Glock guy, but there can be a logic to going that route (or other pistols at around the same price point).

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