22lr standard velocity vs 22lr high velocity


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boyshooter
August 5, 2012, 10:09 PM
hi just wondering for shooting the general varmints rabbits, foxes and roos -(if u have tags), is the 22lr standard velocity better than the high velocity rounds. Better in terms of how loud and the distance difference :confused:

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22-rimfire
August 5, 2012, 11:16 PM
I'd shoot what your rifle (firearm) is sighted in with. You won't notice a siginficant difference between regular HV versus SV until you shoot animals with higher body weights as compared to rabbits and squirrels. You will hear proponents for each.

Old Dog Man
August 5, 2012, 11:39 PM
I use which ever one my rifle shoots best. Try different brands to find what your's likes best. Al

JTHunter
August 5, 2012, 11:56 PM
boyshooter - if your shooting "roos" with a .22 rimfire, you are probably underpowered, especially with the std. velocity.

Accuracy and sound levels are not significantly different between the two but I do not advise the "hypervelocity" types as they have a tendency to be less accurate than the high velocity (too fast for the barrel's rifling to "spin" the bullet).

Also, most std. velocity is an uncoated lead round-nosed bullet, mainly meant for the target range. It is the high velocity ammo that has the coated or gilded hollowpoints that are better for varmits, etc.
Good shooting!

boyshooter
August 6, 2012, 05:00 AM
at the moment well for a long time actually ive been using high velocity hollow points and i find 99% of the time i hit roos chest up and i always kill rabbits first hot and the same withfoxes but i was just wondering if the standard velocity was quieter and if it had about the same fps if it did i would switch to standard im going to buy some winchester subsonics due to the noise its not loud anyway but the quieter the less runaway (by the way im in australia and do not have squirrels) i use sportco high velocity hollow point 22s

Pete D.
August 6, 2012, 08:06 AM
im in australia and do not have squirrels)

I didn't know that there are no squirrels in Australia. Do you have any arboreal animal that would be similar to a squirrel? (I know that I am assuming that you have a sense of what a squirrel is. Perhaps?)
Pete

clamman
August 6, 2012, 11:24 AM
If I was concerned about noise, I would use SV up to 50 yards. Further than that, I'd have Fed 510 or CCI Mini Mag.

ThePenguinKnight
August 6, 2012, 11:42 AM
Std velocity rounds are quieter, noticeably less unpleasant to shoot without hearing protection. In my 16.5" barreled rifle, I chrono ~1250 fps with almost all the regular HV rounds (Golden Bullets, Mini Mags, Federal HV, etc) which is almost exactly what the box says. Cci Std velocity runs ~1080. Less energy, but it makes little difference on smaller creatures at close range. I can't speak to roo hunting (kangaroo, I assume?).

All that said, my rifle shoots certain HV rounds extremely well, which led me to pile up a bunch of it. Some of the std velocity also shoots very well, particularly CCI std velocity, but it is more expensive around these parts, so I lean toward the cheaper HV stuff.

dak0ta
August 6, 2012, 12:11 PM
Can somebody tell me the FPS values for SV, high vel, and hyper velocity?

Caliper_RWVA
August 6, 2012, 12:43 PM
Can somebody tell me the FPS values for SV, high vel, and hyper velocity?

Roughly 1000, 1200, 1400.

PT92
August 6, 2012, 02:04 PM
I won't reiterate on the sv/hv aforementioned input, but I too would advise against .22lr caliber for "roos".

*Edited to add foxes as well--granted you can 'potentially' kill an elephant with a .22lr but it doesn't make it "ethical."

Inazone
August 6, 2012, 03:31 PM
Agreed on `roos with .22LR, as that seems like a woefully inadequate round for an animal that size, or even an adult fox, although I have zero experience with either. My experiences with rimfire ammo have been all over the place, so I'd start by picking whatever works reliably in your particular gun and using that for a "base line" ammo choice. From there, you might be able to specialize. For rabbits and smaller, subsonic .22LR should work great . . . if your gun likes it. My bolt-action Marlin 80 is practically inaudible with cheapie Remington Subsonic, but my semi-auto Walther G22 absolutely refuses to fire the stuff.

mf-dif
August 6, 2012, 09:02 PM
All i know is CCI Stingers 1640fps pack more penatration power and are more accurate out of my sig 522 and gsg 1911. It is also much louder vs a slower 1200fps round. Shoots a big fireball too compared to the other stuff out of a pistol.

tech30528
August 6, 2012, 09:22 PM
I've tested a lot of 22lr ammo for various purposes. For penetration I was really impressed with the Aguila Interceptor. It's a 40 grain solid moving at 1470 fps. It's the only 22lr I've seen that will consistently go thru 1 1/2 steel drums at 25 yards. For hard hitting hollow points I recommend CCI Stinger Segmented hollow points. You have to look for the segmented ones, most Stingers are just hollow points, the segmented ones break in to three pieces and are absolutely devasting. They are 36 grain and are moving at 1640 fps. You are going to hear both of these. For quiet and shorter ranges I just get the Remington subsonic hollow points for $3 a box. I'm well stocked in all of them along with CCI AR Tactical 40 grain 1200 fps, my favorite range fodder for accuracy and consistency.

boyshooter
August 6, 2012, 10:54 PM
yes i know wat a squirrel is, the most similar thing is a rabbit or hare id say ,, umm im against what some of u say about shooting roos with 22 ive been shooting roos for a long time and 99.9% of the time i kill them all one shot with hv but i was wondering because i scare the ones only 100 meters away in the scrub with the hv so i was just asking if i should try switching to sv or if they where crap. i think from what ive heard ill buy a box of standards and subsonics. ive shot roos (kangaroos) 15 meters away with subs and the roos 10 meters away from jump over to them and see whats happened or just raise there head and look for danger thats how quiet they are. the gun im talking about shooting all these rounds out of is a browning pump action not sure of the specific details of the gun it was open sites until i got a scope for free its a 3x 33 it doesnt zoom far but i wanted something that didnt zoom much anyway i just wanted better sites and the crosshairs allow me to put the bullet right where i want it

22-rimfire
August 7, 2012, 09:34 AM
I suggest you just try out the SV LR's and go from there. Since I am not familiar with shooting kangaroos, I have to take your 99.9% success rate as a given. In whcih case, the SV LR rounds should work just fine.

I associate a squirrel to be more like a rat with a bushy tail. That is one of the reasons they call them "tree rats".

mljdeckard
August 7, 2012, 09:55 AM
I like using the hot stuff for conversions that have to push a heavier slide.

bhk
August 7, 2012, 10:47 AM
I have been shooting small game (LOTS of it) for over four decades with .22s. The hollow point subsonic stuff is great for squirrel/cottontail rabbit sized game and is relatively quiet. The high velocity stuff has considerably more killing power (and noise) and I would use it for large rabbits and anything larger than that (with hollow points, of course). The hyper-velocity stuff is the best killer of all.

If your choice is between a quiet round/inhumane cartridge for the game and a noiser round/humane cartridge for the game, either shoot the noiser stuff or DON'T SHOOT AT ALL!!!!!!

mdauben
August 7, 2012, 12:43 PM
I too would advise against .22lr caliber for "roos".

Keep in mind when making this recomendation, that "roos" come in numerous varieties and species, and not all are deer size. IIRC, some are relativly small (<30lbs?) animals.

PT92
August 7, 2012, 12:49 PM
Keep in mind when making this recomendation, that "roos" come in numerous varieties and species, and not all are deer size. IIRC, some are relativly small (<30lbs?) animals.
What if they aren't <30lbs.? I still say use a larger caliber to be sure. If I have a head shot like a slaughter house, it's a different story but a relatively long-distance shot, I think not.

brickeyee
August 7, 2012, 04:15 PM
A .22 RF is not really adequate for anything over 1 pound.

Even possums & groundhogs (woodchucks) are pas a .22 RF.

Rats, squirrels, an occasional cotton tail rabbit.

ADKWOODSMAN
August 7, 2012, 04:20 PM
Coyote up to 60 lbs--I know there rare, but here in the Adirondacks they grow that large, bobcats, fishers all die within a minute if shot through both lungs with a .22 CB cap.

Not recommended but these are my results. I will admit that the distance is about 10 feet or less!

PT92
August 7, 2012, 06:45 PM
Really disturbs me how many people have little regard for a clean humane kill. Sad thing is in reality, it probably happens far more often than we'll ever know :mad:.

hogshead
August 7, 2012, 06:53 PM
Just hope he doesnt shoot any boys. I have seen a 22 take a lot of large dogs that were drt. Of course most were head shots out to 60 yards.

boyshooter
August 7, 2012, 07:30 PM
have any of u who advise agaainst roos actually ever shot them if not then dnt argue the point because i shoot them all the time if i have tags for them and some of the big ones i shoot with the 22 can be taller than me im only 5" 8 now thats a big roo and as i said i always shoot HV hollow points always hit the chest or up and like i said 99.9% of the time first shot does the job if i want to go out with a 223 or 204 or any centerfire rifle above 17 HMR then i would but on the farm i own im afraid if i miss a shot it will go further than i want it to and maybe hit a house. (i do know where the houses are though) plus ammo is as cheap as dirt and if it does the job why change the rifle if some people who have never even shot a roo tell me that its too small wat do ya want me to do bring a 12g and blow a hole the size of a dinner plate in them? "if it ain't broke dont fix it" all my shot are like 100 meters at the longest 10m at the closest

PT92
August 7, 2012, 07:33 PM
...have any of u who advise agaainst roos actually ever shot them if not then dnt argue the point because i shoot them all the time...

You can say 2+2=5 and believe it--I don't have to buy it.

MAKster
August 7, 2012, 09:02 PM
From what I have read, hunting kangaroos is more like culling. You go out at night and when you shine a spotlight on the roos they freeze. You can then walk up to them and shoot them in the head.

velocette
August 9, 2012, 04:04 PM
Standard velocity ammunition is preferred by target shooters for one reason.
It is subsonic. That is it does not exceed the speed of sound. This is why std velocity seems to be not as loud as HV ammo. Most of the noise from HV ammo is in fact the sonic "crack" of the supersonic projectile.
The reason target shooters use std is that it never goes trans-sonic.
That is it does not go back through the sound barrior as it slows down.
The trans-sonic passage can and does cause some instability of a bullet. That's why all high power shooters want their bullets to remain supersonic past the range of their targets. .22 rf HV ammo goes trans sonic at about 80 ~ 100 yards.
None of this of course has to do with the killing power of a .22, just its accuracy.

Roger

brickeyee
August 9, 2012, 05:58 PM
all die within a minute if shot through both lungs with a .22 CB cap.

That is high on the 'humane sportsman list' of killing animals.

Think more like seconds, as in well under 30 or so.

Or do you enjoy watching them flop around as they expire?

stinger 327
August 10, 2012, 11:58 AM
How about Aguila 30 grain hypervelocity in .22 LR or CCI Stingers

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