Sig's P938


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SN13
August 11, 2012, 12:24 PM
I've been carrying a Colt Mustang Pocketlite .380 for the past 6 years. I love the little gun. SAO, Thumb Safety, 6+1 .380. Awesome to shoot. Never a Fail to Feed or Fire. Great little guns.

So a few years back Sig made their Colt Mustang Copy (Sig P238). And I looked at them, they were nice but the slide was a little bulkier. I couldn't justify purchasing one, since my trusty old colt was working just fine....

Well Sig upped the ante with a 9mm version of their P238, the P938.... The clone of my beloved Colt 'Stang.

With an MSRP of 790-823 depending on the model, I balked at the price, but thought, "If i can find one priced under $650, I'll take it home".

I visited the local Gun show this morning with a wad of cash in my hand. Row after row of knives, Leather, WW2 Trinkets, Beef Jerky, Fudge, and bolt-on accessories overwhelm the tables. (Where are the GUNS?)

I perused the aisles searching for a Sig 938. On the 5th Aisle, the first sighting a Sig 938 Extreme: (http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p938-extreme.aspx) Price on the tag? $799.00 (OUCH!).

"Can I help you?" asked the gentleman.
"Yes. I'd like to purchase that gun but your price is a bit high." I replied.
"MSRP is $823, I'm not going lower than that."
"Thanks"... And I move on.

A few more aisles, and a second sighting. This time, the Nightmare.. Black with Stainless Slide Release and Safety. (Not listed on Sig's Website). Price? $799 (CRAP, Again!?)

"Can I help you?" the salesman asked.
"I'd like to give you money, just not as much as you're asking" I reply.
"Whatcha interested in?"
"The P938..."
"If I could get more at the drop of a hat from sig, i'd be pricing them at $650, but I've got 24 on backorder as it is, so Best I can do is $730 Cash"
"Thanks" I said.

I start to think, it may be too early to get one of these little 9's at a decent price. Or maybe I'm too cheap with my price?

A few aisles later I stumbled upon a few Sig 938s.... Extreme and Nightmare and Rosewood. All are priced at $639.... $639!!!!!

"Can I help you?"
"Yes, I'm buying this gun." I reply with a grin.

$685 bucks later (Tax and Background) I'm walking out of the Gunshow with a new P938 Extreme... Why the extreme over the sexy Nightmare?

THe Extreme comes with 2 mags! one 7rd with finger extension, 1 6rd flush fit.... the others models, 1 mag. I don't believe there are any mags for sale from sig currently.

SOOOOOO anyway, I took some photos of the Colt and Sig next to each other.

Here you are. I know this post is worthless without pics!

http://i.imgur.com/eq7fOl.jpg (http://imgur.com/eq7fO)
http://i.imgur.com/kSDcql.jpg (http://imgur.com/kSDcq)

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2wheels
August 11, 2012, 12:29 PM
Let us know how it shoots, I may end up replacing my P238 with one someday. It'd be nice to stop having to buy .380 (my baby Sig is the only .380 I own). I'd certainly get more practice time on the 938.

wally
August 11, 2012, 03:51 PM
I though I did good at $668+tax for my "Extreme". The 7 round mag is easier to grip when shooting but the 6 round flush mag carries a lot better for me.

Mine shot very well the first time out where I ran about 100 rounds of a variety of ammo through it. No issues using 15 rounds of Monarch (Privi) brass, 30 rounds of PMC, 30 rounds of Tula steel case, and 30 rounds of my 147gr reloads.

It won't replace my Kahr PM40 for carry, but I have a weakness for guns that are small for their caliber, this one sure qualifies. I'm a cocked'n'locked guy at heart, so if they make one in .40S&W it would replace my Kahr if it proved reliable.

TennJed
August 11, 2012, 03:57 PM
Held one yesterday in my local Sportsman's Warehouse. It was $689 (not sure which model). Really impressed with the feel of it. They also had a Beretta Nano and the Sig seemed much smaller in the hand (I know the specs do not back that up).

After holding it I really really wanted it. Please keep us updated with the performance.

SN13
August 12, 2012, 09:12 PM
Took her to the range today.

Between my buddy and I, we put about 200 rounds through her. She fed and fired everything (We had a few different brands/weights of 9mm boxed ammo).

We shot the P938, Colt Mustang .380, and a Ruger LCP. In my HONEST opinion, the Ruger was the most violent in the hand. That thing is AWFUL to shoot. The Colt was unanimously the best to shoot, feeling like a .22lr. The P938 was comfortable to shoot and easy to control. I really liked it.

BUT....

The Problem we Both had was with a few rounds failing to Extract. The first time it happened I was doing a super-light "limp-wrist" test one handed. So I chalked it up to that.

On the SECOND failure to extract, we began noting the ammo and mag etc.

Neither one of us had any FTE with the 6rd mag, but the 7rd mag both gave us FTE's.

Now I don't know if the extra spring tension on the 7rd mag was causing the slide to slow down and that caused the extractor to not quite grab the rim, but the issue happened with all the types of ammo, but only in the 7rd.

The gun fired, the Slide racked back, but the spent brass remained in the chamber. The following round got jammed into/under the fired and partially extracted round.

Upon inspection of the brass, it looks like the extractor grabbed onto the SIDE of the rim and didn't quite make it AROUND the rim.

Esoxchaser
August 17, 2012, 09:59 PM
Congrats on the 938. I just picked up a Nightmare today, and already had three of the 7 rd mags I bought earlier this week in anticipation. I was a bit surprised and disappointed to see that the gun didn't come with the plastic belt holster that the 238 and many other guns come with. I ran 250 rounds through it with not a single issue. I was using Magtech 115 grain FMJ, Blazer 115 FMJ, Federal 115 FMJ and Hornady Critical Defense in 115's. I was very, very impressed with the gun. Accurate and it just feels right in the hand.
Sig has hit it out of the park IMHO. I hope your FTE issues are resolved quickly. I will be running another couple hundred through mine tomorrow or Sunday. Hope it is as good as it was today.

Tommygunn
August 17, 2012, 11:50 PM
Well don't feel too bad, I have a P 238 and it did not come with a holster.
I have a P 290 that did, except I prefer a Galco pocket holster for it. The Sig holster is nice but.....doesn't have a real retention mechanism and isn't as "covert" as the inside pocket holster that I have.
Had I not got a P 290 I would have loved a P 938. Just can't afford the $$$$ right now though.

Esoxchaser
August 19, 2012, 12:56 PM
Took the gun into my LGS. We tried a bunch of different leather on it. Settled on a Galco Stinger made for a S&W Bodyguard .380. It has decent retention new, as long as it doesn't loosen up too much with use while I am waiting for my custom job. (16-18 WEEKS!)

Inebriated
August 19, 2012, 01:58 PM
They had a few yesterday at the show for $620. My dad almost came home with it.

Esoxchaser
August 19, 2012, 06:54 PM
They had a few yesterday at the show for $620. My dad almost came home with it. He wouldn't have been disappointed, especially at that price. I paid $659 for the Nightmare. Saw the Extreme for $749 the other day.

HisSoldier
August 19, 2012, 08:14 PM
I'm holding out for an all stainless model, as I don't like aluminum alloys or plastics in guns. I hope they add an all steel model to the list.

Inebriated
August 19, 2012, 08:45 PM
He wouldn't have been disappointed, especially at that price. I paid $659 for the Nightmare. Saw the Extreme for $749 the other day.

At that price, I would have probably bought one myself, if I didn't have an Arsenal SGL-31 lookin at me with those puppy dog eyes lol.

GEM
August 20, 2012, 10:43 AM
A friend of mine brought one to the IDPA match. He shoot it very well but he is a very high level IDPA shooter. It was a hoot. However, loading the mags to capacity was really difficult. He had about 100 rounds through it at the time.

It's tempting. He also has a 238 which looks like fun.

Esoxchaser
August 20, 2012, 02:34 PM
I move around a lot here at work. At the moment I have the 938 on my belt with a 238 in my pocket. It's a lot easier and keeps me more mobile than carrying one full sized gun, with the added benefit of a back up.

SN13
August 20, 2012, 04:46 PM
http://i.imgur.com/orwOX.jpg?1 (http://imgur.com/orwOX)
http://i.imgur.com/EQahU.jpg?1 (http://imgur.com/EQahU)
http://i.imgur.com/ONiZ3.jpg?1 (http://imgur.com/ONiZ3)

I Was able to remedy the situation and put 200rds through her without issues. Most were 115gr.

kokapelli
August 20, 2012, 04:50 PM
I have a P238, how does the P938 compare for pocket carry?

1KPerDay
August 20, 2012, 06:08 PM
The Problem we Both had was with a few rounds failing to Extract. The first time it happened I was doing a super-light "limp-wrist" test one handed. So I chalked it up to that.

On the SECOND failure to extract, we began noting the ammo and mag etc.

Neither one of us had any FTE with the 6rd mag, but the 7rd mag both gave us FTE's.

Now I don't know if the extra spring tension on the 7rd mag was causing the slide to slow down and that caused the extractor to not quite grab the rim, but the issue happened with all the types of ammo, but only in the 7rd.

The gun fired, the Slide racked back, but the spent brass remained in the chamber. The following round got jammed into/under the fired and partially extracted round.

Upon inspection of the brass, it looks like the extractor grabbed onto the SIDE of the rim and didn't quite make it AROUND the rim.
Interesting. My friend and I are having identical problems, both 6 and 7 rd mags.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=672195



I Was able to remedy the situation and put 200rds through her without issues.

How, exactly?

Esoxchaser
August 21, 2012, 06:07 AM
I have a P238, how does the P938 compare for pocket carry?
Perfect for jacket pocket carry. Just a tad heavy for front pocket carry IMHO, unless you are wearing heavy duty, roomy work denims. It disappears on a belt, even owb.
I don't like back pocket carry with anything, so I have no unprejudiced opinion.

1KPerDay
August 21, 2012, 05:31 PM
what's the difference between the nightmare and the extreme?

Esoxchaser
August 21, 2012, 05:43 PM
The difference is the grips, and the Nightmare has mill finish on the safety levers, mag release and slide release while the Extreme is all black. The Extreme comes with a 6 and 7 round mag. The Nightmare comes with but one 6 round. (But I got three 7's to go with mine).

1KPerDay
August 21, 2012, 06:05 PM
Thanks. I guess my friend's is the extreme. BTW got a good source for more 7 round mags?

SN13 I'd still like to hear what you did to rectify the extraction/jamming issues. :)

Scuba_Steve
August 21, 2012, 07:24 PM
I shot a p938 last week at the range. I found it easier to shoot and more accurate than my p238. When i got home, I immediately put my p238 up for sale while there is still a market for them. I believe we will see a lot of p238's for sale in the next year.

JN01
August 21, 2012, 07:53 PM
SN13 I'd still like to hear what you did to rectify the extraction/jamming issues.

Yeah, what's up with keeping secrets? There are a few other 938 owners out there (me, for one) who would like to know.

Esoxchaser
August 21, 2012, 08:04 PM
BTW got a good source for more 7 round mags?

John Flagg,
Gmp Parts Company, 111 Quaking Aspen Way, Etna, WY. Tel: 307-883-7500

Only dealt with him once, just recently for the 938 mags, but I certainly will in the future.
Very nice guy, quite knowledgeable of all things Sig and HK. The mags and shipping were priced right, and very prompt.

1KPerDay
August 21, 2012, 08:24 PM
thanks

WYO
August 22, 2012, 10:16 AM
Quote:
SN13 I'd still like to hear what you did to rectify the extraction/jamming issues.

Yeah, what's up with keeping secrets? There are a few other 938 owners out there (me, for one) who would like to know.

Run it wet, especially when new. The gun is very tight! Don't try to shoot extended amounts of ammo without checking the lubrication. Shoot full strength ammo. Mine likes 124 Blazers and Gold Dots, and it really ejects the Gold Dot brass. I haven't had a failure to extract in over 300 rounds (the last one was about round 160, one before that at around round 60) using these techniques and ammo. I think it needs a new recoil spring already (500 rounds plus a few hundred dry cycles) because it is starting to have some issues using the sling shot to load from slide lock. I have only had one failure to feed that wasn't related to an extraction issue, and that was with a new 7 round magazine and I must have hit the mag release button as the last round was feeding.

SN13
August 22, 2012, 01:32 PM
I have a P238, how does the P938 compare for pocket carry?

I went from a Colt Mustang (P238's predecessor) to this. I don't notice any difference really.

kokapelli
August 22, 2012, 02:22 PM
I went from a Colt Mustang (P238's predecessor) to this. I don't notice any difference really.
Thanks, I'll have to find and try one.

SN13
August 22, 2012, 02:39 PM
Sig has a design issue with their extractor. But if you call them, they will tell you that you're limp-wristing the gun. :rolleyes:

So I took the extractor out of my 938.

The spring is stout but i dont believe that is the problem. I removed the spring and reinserted the claw.

The Extractor opens to a maximum of .388" (From one side of the breachface to the inside of the extractor claw.)
http://i.imgur.com/ZbZL2l.jpg (http://imgur.com/ZbZL2)

The issue here is that a 9mm rim diameter is .392" wide! 4 thousandths WIDER than my extractor's maximum width with NO spring pressure.

The Claw itself measure .072" worth of "Grabbing" length.
http://i.imgur.com/5LxIEl.jpg (http://imgur.com/5LxIE)

The average rim is only .025 to .030 deep (1/3 to 1/2 as deep as the length of the claw.)

Which means my Claw has DOUBLE the necessary grab.

I hope this isn't by design.


CLOSED, the Gap between the left side of the slide at the breach face and the edge of the extractor is .327"
http://i.imgur.com/2XnHIl.jpg (http://imgur.com/2XnHI)

The distance from the INSIDE of the rim on the extractor's side to the Rim's outer diameter on the Left side of the Breach face measures .370" to .366" (Measured) and is theoretically .362" (.392" - .030" = .362")



I'll let you guess what I did to solve it.

1KPerDay
August 22, 2012, 03:32 PM
Why make me guess?!@#?!@#?!@? :D

SN13
August 22, 2012, 06:12 PM
Don't do it if you're not your own gunsmith.... I took .015" off the extractor claw and reshaped it.

Sergei Mosin
August 22, 2012, 06:32 PM
I just want to thank all you beta testers who are wringing out the P938 so that the rest of us can buy guns that run right out of the box in a couple of years. :rolleyes:

JN01
August 22, 2012, 07:38 PM
Don't do it if you're not your own gunsmith.... I took .015" off the extractor claw and reshaped it.

Thanks. Got any AFTER photos?

SN13
August 22, 2012, 08:50 PM
No on the "after" pics.

If you decide, of your own free will, to modify this, know the risks.

There are no "Spare" parts available.

If you go TOO far, you will need a longer 5/32" spring to add more tension.

GO SLOW. Take a few thousandths off, re-install it, test it by hand-cycling.

If you are not patient and meticulous, you can royally screw things up :)

Esoxchaser
August 22, 2012, 10:06 PM
I just want to thank all you beta testers who are wringing out the P938 so that the rest of us can buy guns that run right out of the box in a couple of years.

I have 1,000 rounds through mine after today's session. Perfect. Not one failure to feed, fire, extract or eject. I am very, very, happy with this gun.

SN13
August 23, 2012, 09:40 AM
I have 1,000 rounds through mine after today's session. Perfect. Not one failure to feed, fire, extract or eject. I am very, very, happy with this gun.

At this point, after mods, I've put 200 rds flawlessly through her. I will report back after another 300.

JN01
August 23, 2012, 08:38 PM
No on the "after" pics.

If you decide, of your own free will, to modify this, know the risks.

There are no "Spare" parts available.

If you go TOO far, you will need a longer 5/32" spring to add more tension.

GO SLOW. Take a few thousandths off, re-install it, test it by hand-cycling.

If you are not patient and meticulous, you can royally screw things up

I'm willing to do a bit of tinkering and have made mods to quite a few guns, messing with the extractor is a little beyond my comfort level. Mainly I was interested to see how your before/after compare to mine. I read somewhere that Sig came out with a "new" extractor for the 938, I don't know if mine has it or the "old" one (or if that is simply a rumor).

Anyway, I seemed to have taken care of my extraction problem with a little chamber polishing.

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