Dedicated House Gun---Sighting Options??


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Omaha-BeenGlockin
February 25, 2004, 12:46 PM
I just picked a Ruger P89 and have 2 20-round magazines on order----this set-up will be big and ungainly----but it doesn't matter---it will be a house gun only. I wanted something with a lot of shots---goes bang every time---and is reasonably accurate and priced.

I've been looking at night sights----do you think I even need night sights in the first place??

The Trijicons seen expensive for my Ruger.

The Meps---come in green only---and priced right.

P-T's---different colors and priced right---BUT---the site says you have to make arrangements with P-T to have them installed----I don't want to be without my gun---or spend the big bucks at UPS to ship it.

Can I resonably expect to install these myself without screwing anything up?

What about lights and lasers??? Any opinions on these??

Even though my Ruger doesn't have an equipment rail---I'm pretty sure I can still rig something up.

Or should I even bother with these and just use a mag light in my off hand??

Thanks for all opinions and suggestions.


OBG

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Skunkabilly
February 25, 2004, 12:54 PM
Before I continue, what is your location? I am assuming Omaha, Nebraska and I presume you don't have a CCW?

stans
February 25, 2004, 12:57 PM
Night sights work best in almost total darkness. How can you see your target in almost total darkness? Two 20 round mags? I little overkill.

J. Parker
February 25, 2004, 01:02 PM
I've never been a fan of night-sights. If you can't "see" what you're drawing a bead on what good are they? IMO, a flashlight is the only way to go. You can hold a flashlight AND your P89 in a nice sturdy hold. I believe it's called the "harris" technique? It's what I use. Are those 20 rounders Ruger factory? Don't use cheap stuff. Take care, John

Omaha-BeenGlockin
February 25, 2004, 01:03 PM
Open carry in NE-----need a handgun course cert to carry in the city proper---again open carry.

But in a case behind the seat of a pickup is legal too----car?? needs to be in the trunk.

Sooner or later we'll get CCW here---once some of our term limited state senators get the boot-----one in particular.

I have other pistols for behind the pick-up seat----the Ruger will be strictly for home defence---and not carrying.


The 20-rounders are Meg Gar---Mec Gar???

Skunkabilly
February 25, 2004, 01:30 PM
I was going to say that if you carry, just use your carry gun.

For a dedicated house gun, if a shotgun is out of the question, maybe a pistol with both tritium night sights (Novaks, Trijicons, Heinies, etc. are all good--just a matter of personal preference really)?

WhoKnowsWho
February 25, 2004, 02:22 PM
Instead of night sights, get a good flashlight (Surefire, Streamlight) than can always be near the gun. And learn how to handle both. Seeing the sights is nice, but seeing the target is better.

J. Parker
February 25, 2004, 02:38 PM
Mec-Gar mags are excellent. Good buy.:)

Omaha-BeenGlockin
February 25, 2004, 02:39 PM
Any specific Surefire and Streamlite models I should be looking at??

I'm pretty much assuming they cost as much or more than the night sights. Right???


Only flashlights I'm really familiar with are the two 4-D cell Maglites I got at Wally's for about $20 bucks a pop----not really up on the hi-tech stuff.

Wedge
February 25, 2004, 03:34 PM
I have the G-2 nitrolon surefire, and that only cost about $30 at Gander Mountain. It is extremely bright and very compact.

Skunkabilly
February 25, 2004, 03:51 PM
For the Surefires for the weapon mounted lights I don't know what your options are for the Ruger.

The G2 is probably the best as far as shine for the buck. If you want a real good carry-sized high quality light, there's the E2e, A2 and L4 :cool:

Blackhawk 6
February 25, 2004, 03:58 PM
OBG,

I have a similar dedicated housegun. Mine is a Sig P-226 with night sights, a dedicated Nitrolon Surefire Light (P-114D) and a 20-round magazine.

I think your assessment that you need as many rounds on board as possible is a good one. Few people will go to the trouble to "kit up" to investigate a suspicious noise in the middle of the night.

Several people have offered opinions that night sights serve no real purpose. They are useful when there is enough light to make out the shape of a man (or woman) but not to see your sights. This is where the night sights provide you an advantage and coincidentally, these are the lighting conditions frequently encountered in a dark house. You loose nothing but gain capability when you equip your weapon with night sights.

With regard to dedicated lights vs. hand held lights, there really is no comparison. Dedicated lights are more expensive. However, they allow you to operate your handgun one-handed so the other is free to open doors, use the phone carry a child, etc. Additionally, it is much easier to choot with a dedicated light. You can shoot well with a hand-held light, but it is easier to achieve the same level of performance with a dedicated light. Some will point out that when using a dedicated light, you point your handgun at everything you illuminate. If this is a concern, use a hand-held light to search but use a dedicated light to aid in shooting. Again you loose nothing and gain capability.

Cost is going to be an issue. If your project is limited by finances, my recommendation would be to buy a dedicated light first and then night sights. In my experience, the light will often provide enough illumination for you to acquire the sights.

Ala Dan
February 25, 2004, 04:58 PM
Personal opinion here, but I don't beleive in them! :cool:

Had two SIG's* with factory SIGLITES (made by Trijicon);
just never could warm up too them, cuz they weren't
worth a hoot in low light situations; or daylight hours.
IMHO, if your eyesight is anywhere near normal; fore
go the night sight's, in favor of most factory
originals like SIG's bar-dot combination.

Futher thought's, if awakened from a "deep sleep"
NO kind'a sight is going to focus perfectly; at least
for a few moments, so why waste the money on
these? Save those $$$, for better thing's in the
firearms world!:uhoh: Just my $.02 cents worth. :D

*FootNote- NIB's 9m/m P226 Two-tone, and a .40
S&W caliber standard P229; both are no longer on
inventory.

Best wishes,

sm
February 25, 2004, 05:09 PM
Well I never warmed up to night sights either. None of my guns have them.

I grew up using a revolver as a House Gun...like most folks. We didn't have night sights. Those few guns that had red ,orange inserts...they don't work at night either.

My 1911 styles are factory sights. I run reliable mags, 7 rd or 8 rd - only. I don't want extended mags -personally.

Now we always were taught to not point guns and scopes at things not inteneded on shooting. We had flashlights...we also used ambient lights of the house. The house may not have originally had them...but we 'adapted" the house acccordingly. Even with the power out.

M2 Carbine
February 25, 2004, 11:56 PM
My night stand gun,
45 Kimber with Laser Grips.

Bed room gun
12 ga Remington 870 with Red Dot sight.

Back door gun
S&W 4 inch Model 10 with Laser Grips
S&W 2 inch Model 60 with Laser Grips
12 ga Ithica Model 37 with Red Dot sight
and whatever else happens to be laying around.

Front door gun
Makarov (Crimson Trace doesn't make Laser Grips for the Mak:( )
M1 Carbine with Red Dot sight


If one gun is good, a bunch is better:)

A good laser (most are junk) used in and around the house at night is awesome.

A Red dot then a black hole.

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