Short trigger reset, false reset, reset tension


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neviander
August 15, 2012, 10:13 PM
I was watching Shooting USA on The Outdoor channel and a segment came up giving tips on successfully navigating uspsa events and it reminded me of a similar event I had been to. I borrowed a friend's Glock 34 and noticed during the competition, probably 6 or 7 times, I would get a false reset by not fully releasing the trigger while rapid firing. I ended up having to tap and rack each time.

I've heard about this in other places about the Glock and it seems to purely be a training issue, not a functionality issue.

My question is, is there a trigger mod that shortens the reset on the Glock?
Which pistol out there is the best at this?
Is single action the absolute best way to go?
Am I wrong and my friend's Glock is crap?

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GLOOB
August 15, 2012, 10:17 PM
Glock has the most positive reset of any firearm I've handled. I wonder if your friend hasn't "improved" his Glock. There's no way I can imagine perceiving a false reset on any of my Glocks. The gun is ready to fire as soon as you feel/hear the click.

9mmepiphany
August 15, 2012, 11:26 PM
Are you saying that you felt and heard the click of the Glock's trigger resetting and then found it hadn't reset when you again pressed the trigger?

...or, are you saying that you short stroked the trigger by not releasing what you believed was far enough, before pressing again?

Which trigger reset are you comparing it to?

While the trigger on the GLock isn't the shortest, it certainly isn't the longest...it either case, it is among the most distinct I've ever felt

allaroundhunter
August 16, 2012, 12:38 AM
I'm with 9mmepiphany, the Glock has one of the most distinct and tactile resets that I have ever felt. It really is hard to miss unless the gun is malfunctioning, but that is a malfunction that I have never even heard of.

Are you sure you weren't just short-stroking it?

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The Man With No Name
August 16, 2012, 06:46 AM
I can accurately reset still (just like I used to do in competition) my Glock 23C trigger fast enough that some people think I am firing full auto. I have no idea what mod would make it do what you are describing. I have never felt an unmodified gun with such a distinct reset.

If you want a harder reset a mod that was popular when I shot alot was the 3.5 connector with a NY1 trigger spring. The resulting weight was usually within a half pound of the factory weight but with an even more distinct reset. I used to think I needed that for speed stages (I would use my 23C for speed stages and switch to a Les Baer 45 for accuracy stages) but over the years I have become so accustomed to the Glock trigger that I no longer feel that mod is necessary for me.

neviander
August 16, 2012, 10:34 AM
...or, are you saying that you short stroked the trigger by not releasing what you believed was far enough, before pressing again?
That.

If you want a harder reset a mod that was popular when I shot alot was the 3.5 connector with a NY1 trigger spring. The resulting weight was usually within a half pound of the factory weight but with an even more distinct reset.That sounds like a really good idea.

9mmepiphany
August 16, 2012, 10:58 AM
Ah, that makes more sense...that false reset label just made it hard to understand. You can change a lot of things on Glocks, I'm not sure the reset distance is a common one.

You didn't answered which platform you are comparing the Glock to, which lead you to believe that the reset should be shorter.

I recently shot a S&W M&P9 with the Apex Tactical FSS trigger installed which had a very short reset and still enough feel to roll the trigger off for accurate fast follow-up shots

holdencm9
August 16, 2012, 11:27 AM
This never happened to me with a Glock, but out of curiosity, if you pull the trigger after the "false reset" does it render the gun inert? I mean, is that why you had to tap-rack, or did you tap-rack just because of habit?

On my LCP, there is a slight click on the reset that could be mistaken for the actual reset. If you pull the trigger at that stage, nothing happens. You just have to reset it all the way and try again.

I have heard on some guns (the Taurus TCP primarily) that if you pull the trigger after the false reset, the hammer actually drops, and since there is no second-strike capability you HAVE to tap-rack at that point.

neviander
August 16, 2012, 11:56 AM
You didn't answered which platform you are comparing the Glock to, which lead you to believe that the reset should be shorter.
I didn't really know if any single action type semi auto would be easier, or more capable of shortening the reset. I wasn't trying to compare it really, just wasn't sure.

if you pull the trigger after the "false reset" does it render the gun inert? I mean, is that why you had to tap-rack, or did you tap-rack just because of habit?Actually, the tap, more than likely, wasn't necessary, I did need the rack though, which left me a few rounds shorter during the competition. But yeah, when I didn't let it reset fully and then pulled the trigger, nothing happened. At that time though, some years ago, that was the first Glock I had ever fired and the first competition like that I had ever participated in; so, from what you guys have told me, I just got way too hasty with my double taps on those little cardboard guys :)

wildehond
August 16, 2012, 12:08 PM
I have seen a guy "short stroke" a 1911 several times.
How far is your finger in the trigger guard. In other words, do you press the trigger with the pad of your finger or the first knuckle of your finger? The times I have seen a problem with trigger reset it was because of the finger 'holding' the gun in place of just 'releasing' the shot.

The Man With No Name
August 16, 2012, 01:27 PM
A tap, rack, bang isn't necessary if you short stroke a Glock but I can fully understand why you would if you've been trained that way. In the heat of competition I probably would also just because (like you it seems) it is trained into me so hard.

1911Tuner
August 17, 2012, 08:10 AM
It can happen. I've spent many happy years with double-action revolvers. Slow-fire and rapid DA fire and everything in between. On occasion, my trigger finger has outrun the rebound spring and stopped the string.

Check the gun out and make sure there's not a mechanical problem. If all is well, just carry on.

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