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huntsman
February 25, 2004, 11:28 PM
this is from a link on the Ithaca web page, some good news :D

http://www.theithacajournal.com/news/stories/20040217/localsports/426326.html

The Ithaca Gun Company of King Ferry last week announced that it will be reintroducing the famed NID double-barreled shotgun that was discontinued in the late 1940s.

Ithaca spokesman Billy Weston made the announcement at a press conference Friday morning at the Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trades (S.H.O.T.) show in Las Vegas. The NID, a hammerless side-by-side double, was considered one of the premier American side-by-sides ever made but was discontinued following World War II when the cost of the required hand-fitting and other skilled labor involved made its production no longer feasible.

Weston said that the guns would be produced entirely in New York. The company currently manufactures variations of the Model 37 pump shotgun that it has produced since 1937.

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Remington Arms announced Saturday at the show that for the first time in the company's 188-year history it is going to sell foreign-made guns.

The company, founded in Ilion where its largest manufacturing plant still stands, has entered an agreement with Baikal firearms of Russia to sell low-priced single-barrel and both side-by-side and over-under double-barreled shotguns under the Spartan-by Remington brand name.

The guns will not be sold through Remington's traditional dealers but rather through Marts and discount stores. Prices will range from $97 for the simplest single-barrel guns to $490 for the high-end side-by-side double.

Baikal also makes a side-by-side for Savage Arms under the Stevens brand name and markets other action types stateside through the European American Arms Company.

PJR
February 26, 2004, 08:56 AM
The NID story is an interesting one. This paragraph caught my attention.

"The guns were actually resurrected in the mid-1990s by Rochester-area entrepreneur Steve Lamboy and licensed by the Ithaca Gun Company as Ithaca Classic Doubles. Ithaca Gun pulled the licensing in 2003 when Ithaca Classic Doubles fell into financial problems and Dakota Arms of South Dakota purchased the tooling and identity from a bankruptcy court and started producing the guns as Dakota Classic Doubles."

So now we have two "NID" on the market -- an Ithaca and a version made by Dakota! The Lamboy NID was a very sharp looking gun but was higher end. It would be great if Ithaca would produce a plainer, less expensive version of the gun while Dakota continued to provide the higher grades. Something for everyone.

As for Remington, one continues to get the strong sense they are circling the drain.

Dave McCracken
February 26, 2004, 09:55 AM
IIRC, the Lamboy Ithacas started off at $11,000, going up from there. Bruce Scott on Shotgun Journal has one.

The NIDs were classics, but required the same hand work and complicated, close tolerance machining that priced the Model 12 and other guns off the market.

Old Ithaca NIDs are out there, some at reasonable prices. Darn good guns.

Ithacas older than the NID, pre 1926 or so, are not recommended as shooters.

As for Remington, get yours now....

huntsman
February 26, 2004, 01:40 PM
I would like to see a field grade NID with good stock dems, in a 20ga for around $1000.-$1500.

As for the Remington deal, if they just import the Baikal with no improvements then no big deal. But if they could get quality up to say the old SKB and sell for less than a thou , then were talking.

Kestrel
February 27, 2004, 12:17 AM
As for Remington, get yours now....

Dave - do you know something in the works?

By the way - I saw the story on Lamboy's Ithaca Classic Doubles on Shotgun Journal. Wow! What beautiful guns. I assumed you would have to sell a house to buy one, though.

As far as Remington bringing in the Russian guns, maybe they will coat the stocks with thick, clear plastic and put some sort of lock on the trigger/safety, to keep us from wetting the bed... Maybe they'll start phasing out standard gauges and gradually grafting in their own gauges (like they are doing with their rifle line).

I have plenty of Remingtons - I'm just irritated by their behaviour of recent years.

Steve