Best 45 colt combat revolver


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jeffmack
August 24, 2012, 09:40 PM
What's the best 45 colt combat revolver? Double action, of course.

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murf
August 24, 2012, 10:38 PM
the closest service revolver (da) is the colt new service revolver of 1909, chambered in 45 government (not the current 45 long colt).

being from arizona i would have to choose the colt single action army.

for a non-service weapon, i would choose the s&w model 25-5.

murf

Deaf Smith
August 24, 2012, 11:06 PM
If you have the money just get a Redhawk Ruger in .45 LC (5.5 inch barrel) and have a good smith take the barrel down to 4 inches and turn it into round butt configuration.

And yes, there is a company that does that already.

http://www.bowenclassicarms.com/catalog/ruger_double_action_basic_packages.html

No. RD02 ‘Alpine’ conversion

or the

No. RD02K ‘Kodiak‘ conversion

Now there is a COMBAT .45 LC!

Deaf

SharpsDressedMan
August 24, 2012, 11:24 PM
I'm glad you asked. I think it is this one; a copy of the Indian Jones' S&W 2nd Model Hand Ejector, originally made in .455 Eley, but (easily) conveted to .45 Colt. Surprisingly, it is extremely accurate. http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC05648.jpg

.44 Associate
August 24, 2012, 11:44 PM
Guess I'd go with the S&W Mountain Gun - assuming I had to carry it a whole lot before getting into a fight with it.

PabloJ
August 25, 2012, 01:23 AM
Bingo. S&W 625 with 4" barrel and round butt grip. Wee, wee.

BCRider
August 25, 2012, 02:40 AM
Two questions....

Did you mean the best combat revolver as in ones used in the wars or the best modern day current production model that would be good for self defense?

And are you talking .45Colt as used in the old 1873 Colt SAA "Peacemaker" or the .45acp conversions made by Colt and S&W for the trenches of WW1?

Or is this an amalgam and you're looking for a modern DA revolver chambered in the rimmed .45Colt cartridge?

.... OK, that last bit makes it THREE questions... :D

jeffmack
August 25, 2012, 08:23 AM
Basically, BCRider, the third question is the one I am asking.
I would like a revolver in 45 [long] colt that is double action and does not need a tracked chassis to carry it around.

CraigC
August 25, 2012, 08:29 AM
the closest service revolver (da) is the colt new service revolver of 1909, chambered in 45 government (not the current 45 long colt).
As far as I know, no gun was ever "chambered" in .45Gov't. It was a cartridge simply brought into existence so that the same ammo could be used in Colt SAA .45Colt and S&W .45S&W sixguns. It was S&W length with the Colt rim. A Colt New Service would've been chambered in .45Colt.

mesinge2
August 25, 2012, 08:36 AM
Did you mean the best combat revolver as in ones used in the wars or the best modern day current production model that would be good for self defense?


If you where asking the best modern day current production model for a combat revolver chambered in 45 colt; I think a 4" Ruger Redhawk would be awesome. Especially with the tough frame capable of 45 colt +p loads.

jeffmack
August 25, 2012, 08:38 AM
Also, SharpDressedMan: Do you need to load down your 45 colt cartridges to shoot in a gun originally made for 455 Ely?

CraigC
August 25, 2012, 08:56 AM
I would like a revolver in 45 [long] colt that is double action and does not need a tracked chassis to carry it around.
Then I would suggest an N-frame with the tapered barrel, like the later model 25/625 Mountain Gun.

4v50 Gary
August 25, 2012, 08:58 AM
I'd go with a S&W. Easier to maintain in the field by the armorer than a Colt revolver.

harvester
August 25, 2012, 09:38 AM
4 inch Redhawk in 45colt is very nice but somewhat scarce.

SharpsDressedMan
August 25, 2012, 01:51 PM
In my 2nd Model Hand Ejector, I do not run anything hot, but it also show no sign of any unusual wear to shoot the standard pressure .45 Colt (250gr lead @ 800-850fps). I do shoot some jacketed Hornady 250gr XTP's, but I also load them down to 750fps, as jacketed bullet raise pressures a bit. I like them for the fine accuracy they give in my gun. The only modification necessary to convert the old .455 Smiths to .45 Colt is to lightly mill the rear of the chambers for the slightly larger rim of the .45 Colt case. Without modification, the .45 Colt will go in almost all the way, but the cylinder will not close, shwing how little a smith needs to ream to make each chamber "correct" for the .45 Colt casing. No other modification necessary, and many guns on the market have already been converted, but are not marked as such.

Vern Humphrey
August 25, 2012, 02:05 PM
4 inch Redhawk in 45colt is very nice but somewhat scarce.
A tad on the heavy side, too, if you carry all day.

BCRider
August 25, 2012, 02:38 PM
I would like a revolver in 45 [long] colt that is double action and does not need a tracked chassis to carry it around.

I loved the "tracked chassis comment... :D

Looking around there's not a lot of options. I don't know what sort of past guns were made by S&W or Ruger but I would hardly call an N frame or Redhawk of any sort a "concealed carry" sort of firearm. And both of those options in any barrel length are far from light.

As much as it makes the bile rise at the back of my throat if you want a lighter and more compact 5 shot option for .45Colt you may be looking at one of the small grip and short barrel versions of the Taurus "Judge" style .45Colt/.410 shotshell compact lineup. The cylinders are overly long for .45Colt and I wonder about the accuracy of the bullet making the LOOOONG jump to the rifling in that over long cylinder but it looks like they are one of the very few options if you want a smaller gun chambered in .45 Long Colt. One of their 5 shot options with 2.5" barrel is listed at only 22.4 oz. Which certainly qualifies on the "light" requirement.

It's just that I don't get all warm and fuzzy at the thought of Taurus and some of the horror stories I've read. It seems that once the bugs are worked out that they are good enough guns. But sometimes getting to that stage is an exercise in frustration from dealing with Taurus USA.

Gladius
August 25, 2012, 04:53 PM
625 Mountain gun. Wouldn't hesitate to rely on it for SD use. A bit too big for CC on a routine basis, unless you're wearing a coat. MHO, of course.

Jaymo
August 25, 2012, 05:21 PM
625 Mountain Gun. Great gun
Taurus Judge-easier to CC
Governator-easier to CC

rcmodel
August 25, 2012, 05:28 PM
+1 on the 625 Mountain Gun.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/KTOG/100_3888.jpg

rc

Deaf Smith
August 25, 2012, 06:00 PM
I'm glad you asked. I think it is this one; a copy of the Indian Jones' S&W 2nd Model Hand Ejector, originally made in .455 Eley, but (easily) conveted to .45 Colt. Surprisingly, it is extremely accurate. http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC05648.jpg
How easy is it to convert? I know where one is in .455 that was rechambered to .45 ACP and I can get it cheap.

Can that be done or do I just use .45 Auto-rim instead.

Deaf

Jaymo
August 25, 2012, 06:05 PM
You could use .45 acp with moon clips. It makes for quick reloads.

PabloJ
August 25, 2012, 06:45 PM
You could use .45 acp with moon clips. It makes for quick reloads.
Thanks for bringing up the moon clips. That made me remember that big Webley & Scott ejector conversion to .45ACP with moon clips would be about the best combat revolver one could ever hope for. During WWII and beyond Ole' English top opener was the only European challenger to excellent American 1911 pistol or American revolvers. Now that Hornady loads ammo Ole' English Monster in original chambering is also well worth owning.;)

SharpsDressedMan
August 25, 2012, 07:09 PM
The original topic was for a .45 Colt revolver. If wanting a .45ACP, here is a nice variation of a 1917 that I got for cheap at a gunshow. I had the action tweaked a bit, and then matte blued. The grips are slightly modified Ahrends. ALMOST compact enough, and on the lighter side, with no shrouded lug (as is the other Hand Ejector). The barrel is about 3 1/4". http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC06461.jpg

ghitch75
August 25, 2012, 10:30 PM
i like this one....Redhawk 45 Colt...

http://i47.tinypic.com/25rja5c.jpg

S&Wfan
August 25, 2012, 11:07 PM
Hi,

I'm well aware that the OP was asking for a .45 "Long Colt" caliber COMBAT REVOLVER. HOWEVER . . .

1. The original .45 Auto round WAS loaded to the same velocities as the old .45 "Long Colt" cartridges . . . just much shorter in cartridge size for the (then) new high velocity ammo.

2. Thus, today's .45Auto IS the .45 Long Colt cartridge of the past . . . but easier to use, easier to pack more ammo, and easier to load!

3. Colt is effectively out of the "big bore" .45 market.

4. The S&W .45ACP revolver is a wonderful fighting handgun . . . in the barrel length of three and four inches, and with moon clip loaded .45ACP ammo, it can be reloaded by many as fast as a .45ACP pistol. Lightning-fast too from the holster . . . and really quick pointing when shooting at multiple targets too!

CraigC
August 25, 2012, 11:37 PM
If wanting a .45ACP, here is a nice variation of a 1917 that I got for cheap at a gunshow.
Very cool!


Thus, today's .45Auto IS the .45 Long Colt cartridge of the past . . . but easier to use, easier to pack more ammo, and easier to load!
Unless you'd rather have a rim and not have to fool with moon clips. Don't get me wrong, I think a .45ACP revolver is a wondrous thing but it will never replace the .45Colt.

ghitch75
August 25, 2012, 11:41 PM
Unless you'd rather have a rim and not have to fool with moon clips. Don't get me wrong, I think a .45ACP revolver is a wondrous thing but it will never replace the .45Colt.

i'm a big 45 Colt fan but Auto Rims just act as short 45C's...

http://i40.tinypic.com/2zp40hg.jpg


old school new school......

http://i47.tinypic.com/2hyx9vo.jpg

CraigC
August 25, 2012, 11:57 PM
...and is one more cartridge to have to load for that is pretty much incompatible with most other .45's.

ghitch75
August 26, 2012, 12:10 AM
ya but i like to reload...

BCRider
August 26, 2012, 01:01 AM
I'm sort of assuming that the OP jeffmack already has guns and reloads for his .45 Colt vs .45acp. That's likely why he's after a gun which can use the ammo he's got already.

jeffmack
August 26, 2012, 07:48 AM
Exactly. :D

content
August 26, 2012, 08:14 AM
Hello friends and neighbors // I decided on the 25-5 but I like the N frame Smiths.

They soak up the recoil and allow me quicker return to target.
Slap some Hogues on and they become slim enough.

I picked this one up last month locally for $550otd.
170507

The pic is right after shooting it for the first time.
Very pleased with the preformance.

huntershooter
August 26, 2012, 08:51 AM
"Mountain Gun"

Far right is .45 Colt:

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b434/huntershooter/resized%20handguns/resize%20hog%20guns/Mountain%20Guns/HogGunsMG004.jpg

winter1857
August 26, 2012, 12:55 PM
This is mine. Model 25-5; cut to three inches, ported, round butted, night sights. Pretty well done by an unknown gunsmith. I picked it up at a local gun show for $500 OTD. I love it.

SharpsDressedMan
August 26, 2012, 08:30 PM
^^^Good deal on that 25-5! As far as "extra" for loading the .45 Auto Rim, you need only brass, and a shell holder or shell plate. Nothing else needed if you are already loading .45ACP.

Jim K
August 26, 2012, 08:52 PM
Go with the Mountain Gun, a good, modern revolver.

Do NOT use a .455 Webley in .45 ACP with moon clips; the cylinders are not strong enough for standard pressure .45 ACP or .45 Auto Rim. You can work over a 1917 Colt or S&W, but good ones are getting too pricey to chop up.

CraigC, you are mixing apples and oranges. The .45 Government (aka .45 Schofield) was adopted for use in both the Colt Model 1873 (SAA) and the S&W Schofield revolvers in use in the 19th century. It was the only cartridge issued by the Army from 1874 to the end of the single action era; the Army did not issue .45 Colt after 1874.

The Model 1909 cartridge was made for the Model 1909 revolver, a Colt New Service made for the .45 Colt. But the Army found that the small rim of the .45 Colt jumped the extractor, hanging up the gun. So they developed the Model 1909 cartridge, identical to the .45 Colt, but with a bigger rim. Model 1909 cartridges will work in the SAA but only three can be loaded, no problem for the Army, since the old single action was long obsolete. No one but Frankford Arsenal ever made the Model 1909 cartridge.

Jim

Gladius
August 26, 2012, 09:08 PM
Oh yes, the 25-5 is a great combat revolver, too... but this one is too pretty for battle... :D

murf
August 26, 2012, 09:15 PM
thx for explaining that jimk. it is a very confusing timeline. i believe the 1909 cartridge was also called the 45 government. if i am wrong on that, let me know.

murf

rikman
August 26, 2012, 09:23 PM
+1 on the 625 Mountain Gun.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/KTOG/100_3888.jpg

rc
Wow! RC...that is a beauty! gotta add that to the list :-D

rcmodel
August 26, 2012, 09:26 PM
Thank'ya! Thank'ya!

It shoots as good as it looks too!

rc

rikman
August 26, 2012, 09:29 PM
I have to say that my wheel guns that shoot calibers that start with a 4 have been getting more range time!

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae133/FLYFIDO/SW625PC.jpg

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae133/FLYFIDO/57.jpg

CraigC
August 27, 2012, 12:02 AM
The .45 Government (aka .45 Schofield) was adopted for use in both the Colt Model 1873 (SAA) and the S&W Schofield revolvers in use in the 19th century. It was the only cartridge issued by the Army from 1874 to the end of the single action era; the Army did not issue .45 Colt after 1874.
No Jim, go back and do your homework before you go correcting someone. The .45Gov't was brought about for use in both the Colt and S&W military handguns of the late 19th century. It had the .45Colt rim but was .45S&W length. It was NOT the same as the .45S&W. This information is as handy as the latest Cartridges of the World.

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