Hawaii 5-0 speed loading intro scene


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Vector
August 27, 2012, 08:26 PM
I am referring to the original (real) Hawaii 5-0 with Jack Lord. In the opening there is a section where someone is loading a revolver by spinning the cylinder and putting in bullets. I remember for fun I tried to do it like the TV show but never seemed to get the timing right.

Watch this clip;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AepyGm9Me6w

Then tell me if it is something you have ever tried to do, and how exactly they were able to do it, especially at that speed?

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Tommygunn
August 27, 2012, 08:34 PM
A very quick shot of an expended round (pause it and look at the primers -- there's a firing pin strike) being inserted and the cylinder sppun hardly constitutes a gun being "loaded."
It is a propman handling a gun, "playing" with it for a cameraman for an avante garde pop culture TV theme in 1966.
No one loads a .38SP like that. There may be quick ways of doing it, but stripper clips and reloaders made it much easier and even they require practice.
And I always liked how McGarrett could shoot a bad guy from the other side of Diamond Head and hit him right in the kill zone with that .38 snubbie he carried in his shoulder holster.
TV is not real.
The last Hawaii 5-O that I saw they didn't even know the proper grain weight of a .30 carbine round.:eek:

BCRider
August 27, 2012, 08:43 PM
I won't say it's CGI because I'm sure they never used it for TV back then. It's possible that they filmed a guy taking one round at a time OUT then spinning the cylinder and then reversed it to make it look like they were spin loading the gun. Or they got a guy to load it that way and it took MANY takes to catch just the right moment.

MrDig
August 27, 2012, 08:52 PM
I seem to remember hearing that one of the quickest ways to screw up a good firearm was to try and duplicate Hollywood tricks with them, ie snap an open double gun closed with one hand, flip a revolver cylinder to close it, rack a pump gun one handed...........
While the crane and cylinder are made of steel they are none the less precision set and only have a certain amount of tolerance. These antics and force them out of tolerance quickly. Just my opinion sorry.

BCRider
August 27, 2012, 09:23 PM
Shotguns are hellishly tough so I don't see doing much harm to a pump shottie to cycle it one handed unless it's done with MUCH vigor. But yeah, the things Hollywood does to nice revolvers is criminal.

Gryffydd
August 27, 2012, 10:00 PM
Just a friendly tip, you can link to a particular timestamp in a YouTube video by adding the following to the URL:

#t=45s for the 45 second mark, or
#t=5m23s for the 5:23 mark.

The portion of the clip being referred to is here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AepyGm9Me6w#t=0m44s

9mmepiphany
August 27, 2012, 11:39 PM
It looks like they changed the frame rate during that scene...just as they did when Kono was running up the boarding ramp.

Two things:
1. Spinning, stopping and again spinning the cylinder isn't the same as flipping the cylinder closed.
2. Racking a shotgun one handed, using the mass of the gun to chamber a round isn't abusive to the gun. It is a technique taught in LE academies

armoredman
August 27, 2012, 11:40 PM
Jack Lord is as anti as they come. I didn't like the show when it was on, either. I would never try to do that type of loading, showboating and a great way to screw it up.

Deaf Smith
August 27, 2012, 11:56 PM
Gang... Hollywood by definition is fake.

The actors mouth whatever words are put in front of them.

They can be anti-gun, moonies, transvestites, satanist, baby eaters, whatever and still talk like they were to the right of John Wayne (and he was an actor to... but his philosophy was close to the way he acted, which is rare.)

And that is why overall I hold them in so little respect. They are close cousins to politicians to.

Deaf

Tommygunn
August 28, 2012, 01:17 AM
Jack Lord is as anti as they come. I didn't like the show when it was on, either. I would never try to do that type of loading, showboating and a great way to screw it up.

True, Jack Lord was antigun. Past tense; Lord died about fifteen years ago.

JohnKSa
August 28, 2012, 01:34 AM
Pretty sure there's a stop-action after the first spin. The thumb is then back in position to spin the cylinder a second time, but it just appears in place, I don't see it coming back as it would if the clip were continuous.

So the first spin is done with one round missing, then a stop action, the last round is loaded, the filming starts again with the thumb back in place and the cylinder is spun again.

1KPerDay
August 28, 2012, 12:29 PM
Correct. Editing.

Auf Grosser Fahrt
August 28, 2012, 01:40 PM
TV is not real?! :eek:

Except John Russell in Lawman. That was real.

gym
August 28, 2012, 05:40 PM
the round was already in the cylinder, they just cut and spliced it after it was replaced.

grainfed
August 28, 2012, 06:28 PM
And they were using fired cases. Primers had indentations and there were probably no BOOLITS in the cases.............

1KPerDay
August 28, 2012, 06:30 PM
Well I should hope not. And certainly no bullets, either.

JSmith
August 28, 2012, 08:57 PM
I don't think he did much of anything at all with it. At 0:44, there's the last frame of Danny ("With James MacArthur as Danny"). At 0:45, there's the cylinder of a .38 with the guy's finger and thumb around it. Two fired rounds appear to the right of his thumb, one empty chamber at the top of the cylinder. Then he spins it... stops it... sticks another fired round into the empty chamber... and spins it again. At 0:46, cut to Kono running up the stairs with a shotgun. There's really only two seconds to that segment, just long enough for the viewing public to see a gun and know there'll be some shooting later on (which is why you would be watching five-oh in the first place.)

beag_nut
August 29, 2012, 08:40 AM
Sorry, but the girls kept diverting my attention. Now, what are we talking about? Spent cartridges?

Lawdawg45
August 29, 2012, 09:31 AM
TV is not real?! :eek:

Except John Russell in Lawman. That was real.

Are you my long lost brother?:D

LD

Bikewer
August 29, 2012, 02:40 PM
I personally love watching for firearms boners on TV. Many of these are "tropes" that are learned by directors for dramatic appeal, and show that they know nothing of firearms.

Fer-instance.... The guy is threatening all and sundry with an autopistol. He's not getting enough attention, so suddenly he racks the slide! What, he had nothing in the tube before?

Along the same lines... Dude is threatening someone with an auto pistol again, and again not being sufficiently threatening, so he thumbs the hammer back. This is particularly funny if it happens to be a single-action pistol.
But what's REALLY funny is when they have someone "thumb the hammer back" on a Glock or similar striker-fired weapon... Even inserting the "click" sound effect. They did this on the X-files all the time.
Before Jack Lord was able to engage his opponents with his snubbie at long ranges, "Inspector Erskine" of the FBI (Effrem Zimbalist Jr.) was doing the same thing. He NEVER fired more than one shot, even though the bad guy was 200 yards away and running....
I guess J. Edgar had the final say on these things.....

XD 45acp
August 29, 2012, 04:51 PM
Lord died about fifteen years ago.

Diggum Danno....Danno?...Danno?... oh yea, he's dead too...

Remllez
August 29, 2012, 05:44 PM
That particular scene was a subversive technique the antis used in the 60's to get people to wreck their guns!!......:).....I kid, I kid....Hollywood editing in all it's 60's splendor.

98Redline
August 30, 2012, 11:36 AM
My favorite Hollywood firearms boner was in a movie that I can't remember the title to. Essentially a hit man was sitting in his car getting ready to break into his target's home. Before leaving he "loads" the 1911 he has sitting in his lap.

Step 1: Rack the slide
Step 2: Insert a full magazine
Step 3: "It's Go Time"

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

beag_nut
August 31, 2012, 03:27 PM
Gotta say I love this thread; hope others have more to share with us. Very good for laughs.

JERRY
August 31, 2012, 03:50 PM
watch the Dr. No James Bond flick...when Bond is shooting at the "dragon" on the island he uses a few different guns.....LOL.

Vector
August 31, 2012, 05:18 PM
Gotta say I love this thread; hope others have more to share with us. Very good for laughs.

I agree, but the trouble is that some mod felt the need to put it in the handgun section rather than leave it in the more viewed general section.
This happens too often here on THR in my opinion, and takes away from some of the enjoyment we might otherwise experience.

skidder
August 31, 2012, 09:28 PM
I like Doc's triple barrel shotgun in the OK shootout on tombstone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mnFsrmsA94

sgtstryker
September 1, 2012, 06:59 PM
I watched the youtube thing..but only remember the Hula dancer, had forgotten about her..long time ago..

76shuvlinoff
September 1, 2012, 09:07 PM
About all I remember about the original 5-0 is the theme song and the hula dancer.

I got my daughter to use the theme song in her ridden dressage routine last year at the county fair. She loved it, so did the judge and the crowd.

Certaindeaf
September 1, 2012, 09:48 PM
It's all about the Brylcream and Hai-Karate.

Vector
September 23, 2012, 01:51 AM
About all I remember about the original 5-0 is the theme song and the hula dancer.

I got my daughter to use the theme song in her ridden dressage routine last year at the county fair. She loved it, so did the judge and the crowd.
I agree as it is one of the best TV show theme songs of all time.

AepyGm9Me6w

I'm headed back to Hawaii soon, and will enjoy eating again at Sarento's At The Top of the Ilikai, which is the hotel where Jack Lord stood and whipped around as the helicopter rushed toward him in the opening credits.



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Vector
February 17, 2013, 04:17 PM
I just noticed watching one of the shows that McGarrett uses a 1st Gen Colt Detective .38 Special.

I was pretty sure I had that gun and sure enough I have one that looks exactly the same, but it does say Cobra on the barrel. I'm wondering what if any difference there is?

Jaymo
February 17, 2013, 05:19 PM
IIRC, the Cobra and Agent were aluminum framed versions of the DS

9mmepiphany
February 17, 2013, 05:49 PM
Are you sure it is a 1st Gen, with the ungrooved ejection rod knob, checker cylinder release and the half-moon front sight? It was more likely a 2nd Gen built from 1947-1972.

However, the revolver used in the opening title is a S&W J-frame...you can tell by the flat cylinder release.

The difference between the Cobra and the Detective Special is the alloy frame of the Cobra and, in some models, the length of the gripframe

paulo57509
February 18, 2013, 06:38 AM
I'd grown to dislike Hawaii 5-0 pretty quick back in the day. Everytime I visited relatives back in the 70's, I always get stopped on the street by tourists.

"Do you know where Jack Lord lives?"

:banghead:

Vector
February 18, 2013, 11:27 AM
IIRC, the Cobra and Agent were aluminum framed versions of the DS

Mine does feel pretty light for a .38 special.
I need to have it restored, but with aluminum frame, I wonder if that will pose a problem?

Are you sure it is a 1st Gen, with the ungrooved ejection rod knob, checker cylinder release and the half-moon front sight? It was more likely a 2nd Gen built from 1947-1972.

However, the revolver used in the opening title is a S&W J-frame...you can tell by the flat cylinder release.

The difference between the Cobra and the Detective Special is the alloy frame of the Cobra and, in some models, the length of the gripframe

Here is a link to the three different handguns he used in the series.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Jack_Lord



I'd grown to dislike Hawaii 5-0 pretty quick back in the day. Everytime I visited relatives back in the 70's, I always get stopped on the street by tourists.

"Do you know where Jack Lord lives?"

:banghead:

I might have been one of those tourists you speak of. ;)

Seriously though, I think that series helped tourism beyond what anyone could measure. I was just a kid when it was on, but loved the intro & theme song. As I got older I was still hooked on the show and watched any re-run I could find because there were so many episodes(It ran for 12 years).
So when I could afford it, I went to Hawaii well before other trips I could have taken otherwise. I have been there now 4-5 times, and would love to go back again. The only reason I don't live there is it is too far away from everything.

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GGF
February 18, 2013, 07:22 PM
Shouldn't the question be - "Zulu as Kono & Kam Fong as Chin Ho" why bother?

GGF

9mmepiphany
February 18, 2013, 07:40 PM
Shouldn't the question be - "Zulu as Kono & Kam Fong as Chin Ho" why bother?
Because they didn't want folks to confuse his show's character with his on-stage persona?

What I found a bit more interesting is that Kono was always the shotgun guy in the orginal series, but Chin Ho in the current series always uses a shotgun

Airbrush Artist
February 18, 2013, 11:45 PM
Wow ,Thats when TV Shows were fun to watch Hawaii 5-0,I worked Security for Brian Setzer for his Concert when they came too town ,This was the best song all Night..He is a down to earth Guy doesn't act like a big shot, I was with Him all night shadowing him and after the show he called me into his Bus shook my hand and Thanked me for watching things around Him..Those are the Kind of performers that make my job worth it...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw4C6Ikzer8

Vector
February 23, 2013, 06:00 PM
Because they didn't want folks to confuse his show's character with his on-stage persona?

What I found a bit more interesting is that Kono was always the shotgun guy in the orginal series, but Chin Ho in the current series always uses a shotgun

I tried to give the new show a chance, but cannot stand it.
I did give it another try recently when I saw a promo with Jack Lord in it about an episode that was being remade called Hookman with Peter Weller.
The trouble is that not only did the villain not have hooks, but they went out of their way to take a major swipe at guns, unlike the original episode.
So there is no way I will be watching any new episodes. Hopefully they will not try to redo the V is for Vashon trilogy, as that would be blasphemy.

As to this model, I had better get a speed loader as I do not see myself practicing hand loading the rotating barrel as quickly. :D

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