Mystery Revolver


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The Teacher
September 1, 2012, 11:03 AM
Still trying to identify this lovely revolver my Grandfather brought back with him from WWII. Proof marks suggest it went through Germany, and almost every major part is marked with the number 28. It appeared to be chambered in 38 S&W, but the .38 S&W cartridge doesn't seem to fit, as evidenced by the photo. Any of you more knowledgeable folks recognize this pistol, or the caliber? Thanks for your help!

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oneounceload
September 1, 2012, 11:19 AM
Are you trying to put in a 38 Special or a 38 S&W? The two are not the same

ApacheCoTodd
September 1, 2012, 11:25 AM
Webley Belgian "Bulldog"?...

.380, 38-200 or something along those lines?

The Teacher
September 1, 2012, 11:26 AM
oneounce, Nope, definitely .38 S&W.

ApacheCoTodd, thought it might be a Belgian bulldog, but wasn't quite sure. Thanks!

Can't seem to find any .380 Revolver or 38-200 to try.

Cocked & Locked
September 1, 2012, 11:27 AM
Don't know what it is but here is one similar that no one knows what it is. :scrutiny:

Or, this might be yours just posted on another forum looking for the answer?

Whatever it is, I like it.

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=95906


And heres another one...

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7929430/guns-for-sale-pre-1899/handguns/german-maker-32-cal-german-revolver

And yet another...engraved

http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Deactivated-Pistol-Hand-guns/German-made-c1911-32%22-Civilian-Model-gun-for-sale-gs70177.aspx

The Teacher
September 1, 2012, 11:35 AM
Don't know what it is but here is one similar that no one knows what it is. :scrutiny:

Or, this might be yours just posted on another forum looking for the answer?

Whatever it is, I like it.

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=95906


And heres another one...

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7929430/guns-for-sale-pre-1899/handguns/german-maker-32-cal-german-revolver

And yet another...engraved

http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Deactivated-Pistol-Hand-guns/German-made-c1911-32%22-Civilian-Model-gun-for-sale-gs70177.aspx
Those are interesting links thanks! The barrel is a little longer than those, and definitely octagonal like the first link. Tried .32, but it was too small

Jaymo
September 1, 2012, 12:02 PM
I'd say it's Belgian. Everything about it looks like the Belgian and French revolvers of the late 1800s.
In fact, it appears to be an Auguste Francotte.
Have a look at this thread. It shows your revolver's identical twin.
http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=78749


I found it with a web search for Belgian Revolvers. Reason being, the loading gate and cyl pin/ejector rod look more Belgian than French.
The late 1800s Belgian/French centerfire revolvers are some of my all-time favorites.

Cocked & Locked
September 1, 2012, 12:26 PM
Looks like you got it!

Deltaboy
September 1, 2012, 01:43 PM
Too cool!

The Teacher
September 1, 2012, 02:05 PM
Bingo! Seems to be a Francotte, or Francotte copy. Thank you!!

However, there are none of the Belgian Proof marks, just a "U" and a double crown. Also, it is definitely not chambered in .32.

Uniquedot
September 1, 2012, 02:29 PM
it is definitely not chambered in .32.

Could it be .38 short colt or long colt?

Vern Humphrey
September 1, 2012, 04:08 PM
The .38 S&W (which is the same as the .38/200 except for bullet weight) is slightly larger in diameter than the .38 Colt, and longer than the .38 Short Colt.

So what's preventing your gun from chambering the .38 S&W -- is the chamber too narrow, or too short? If the former, it's probably a .38 Short Colt.

Jaymo
September 1, 2012, 10:53 PM
If it's larger diameter than .32 S&W (.314"), it could be an 8mm revolver round (.323" roughly) such as 8mm Gasser, 8mm Lebel revolver, 8mm Nagant revolver.
8mm revolver cartridges were popular in europe in the late 19th/early 20th centuries.

gp911
September 2, 2012, 08:36 PM
I was getting ready to suggest an 8mm lebel or similar but jaymo beat me to it! Betcha it's one of those 8mm revolver rounds.

Jim K
September 2, 2012, 08:59 PM
It was probably made for the .380 CF revolver cartridge, which has a diameter the same as the .38 Special, but has a case a bit shorter than the .38 Short Colt.

It has German proofs, which would indicate it was made in Germany, not Belgium. It is not a military weapon and was probably surrendered by a German civilian when the Allies confiscated all German guns. (Those not taken by soldiers as souvenirs were destroyed.)

The number is not a serial number, but an assembly number. In production at that time, parts were not interchangeable. They were made close, then given to a fitter who used a file and experience to assemble the gun. Each part was marked with a number. When that was done, the gun was disassembled and the parts hardened and the frame and barrel blued. The numbers then made sure the pieces that had been fitted to each other were put back together.

Jim

Jaymo
September 3, 2012, 04:46 PM
A German copy of a Francotte?? Veddy Intellesting.

Did I mention that I love those old French and Belgian centerfire revolvers?
The 1873 French Ordnance Revolver (Chamelot Delvigne 11mm) is my Holy Grail antique revolver.

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