9mm LCR? What are the chances?


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minutemen1776
September 7, 2012, 12:56 AM
I have really liked the Ruger LCRs that I've seen in local shops. However, I have nothing in .38 or .357, and I have several things in 9mm Luger. I'd also prefer something a little more powerful than .38 Special without getting into .357 Magnum territory. I'm also not wild about the Ruger LCP. So... I think I'd like a 9mm LCR. What are the odds that Ruger will make some, either as a cataloged item or a special run for a distributor?

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Girodin
September 7, 2012, 01:00 AM
Never say never, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it.

ArchAngelCD
September 7, 2012, 02:19 AM
I'd also prefer something a little more powerful than .38 Special without getting into .357 Magnum territory.
Current .38 Special +P ammo is plenty powerful and I don't feel the 9mm gains anything when fired from a short barrel revolver when compared to being fired from a pistol.

R.W.Dale
September 7, 2012, 04:37 AM
Current .38 Special +P ammo is plenty powerful and I don't feel the 9mm gains anything when fired from a short barrel revolver when compared to being fired from a pistol.

If you count 200+ feet per second as "not gaining anything" then you'd be correct.

Besides getting to use cheap cheap practice ammo, moon clips and picking up TONS of free brass having a 9mm revolver lets you far outstrip what 38 can do from a snubby with only a fraction of the blast you get from a 2" 357 mag.

In other words with its 35k psi pressure rating 9x19 is actually better suited to a short barrelled revolver than 38 is.

Now if you'd like to respond I welcome the discussion. BUT JUST ONCE I would like do have this discussion without linking to or referencing Buffalo bore's factory overloads.

If ruger came out with a 9mm lcr I would buy one the NEXT DAY to replace my Taurus 905. Not because the Taurus has been unsatisfactory but rather because the cartridge platform combination has been so full of WIN!

bikerdoc
September 7, 2012, 05:39 AM
Pricey at 699 at my local gun store The Kimber Solo is an alternative that keeps calling my name.

bannockburn
September 7, 2012, 06:58 AM
I could see somebody like Ruger making a 9mm. LCR. They definitely seem to be on the upswing with new products.

LubeckTech
September 7, 2012, 07:11 AM
LCR in .327 federal would be cool too!!

BSA1
September 7, 2012, 09:44 AM
If you count 200+ feet per second as "not gaining anything" then you'd be correct

Do you have a link to a actual side by side test between the 9mm and 38+P LCR?

I believe the information is inflating the velocity differences between the two calibers. If your data is correct then it would certainly something to consider.

mljdeckard
September 7, 2012, 09:55 AM
Can you just have an LCR cylinder scalloped to take moon clips and shoot 9mm through it?

mesinge2
September 7, 2012, 09:56 AM
Never say never, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it.
This would be my answer too.

The 1911 Ruger was vaporware for years and they finally did it.

Girodin
September 7, 2012, 11:04 AM
I agree about all of the advantages listed above for the 9x19 vs. 38 Special. I own a 9mm revolver. When it comes to snub nose revolvers I think the 9x19 is a great round to have them chambered in. It is too bad there is not a gun that takes advantage of the shorter case by having a shorter cylinder and frame (like the taurus 380 revolver does with that round).

However, since getting my Kahr CM9 my 9mm wheel gun doesn't have much of a role. The CM9 is smaller than the J frame, holds 7 rounds vs 5 for the J, has much less felt recoil (and my gun is a 940 not an airweight. My 940 with standard 115 grain ammo feels like my LCR with +p), and I shoot the Kahr much better. On paper one would say the J frame is more reliable. In practice, the CM9 is yet to have an issue and I have had to sort out a couple of problems with the J frame (I can attempt to describe them but I would need to look at a schematic to make sure I use correct nomenclature), which I bought second hand. I believe the J frame will now be fine. The CM9 is also less expensive. In sum, as a carry gun at this point I have to give the nod to the CM9 over either my 9x19 J frame or my LCR.

Do you have a link to a actual side by side test between the 9mm and 38+P LCR?

I believe the information is inflating the velocity differences between the two calibers. If your data is correct then it would certainly something to consider.

I've chronoed my LCR against my 904 before. I cannot recall the exact differences off the top of my head. The advantage was to the 9x19 I'd like to do another round with a wider range of ammo. I'd also like to include a snub .357 (but all mine have 3" or longer barrels).

R.W.Dale
September 7, 2012, 12:24 PM
124g +p gold dots move out of my 2" Taurus at 1160 fps

Non +p about 100 fps slower

This I great deal faster than even +p 38 from the same length barrel of wich there's a plethora of chrony reports that all one needs do is search for. Most 2" 38 loads for a bullet this weight run in the high to mid 800fps range

http://www.snubnose.info/docs/snubby_ballistics.htm

dbp
September 7, 2012, 01:01 PM
http://charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_Pitbull_79920.asp

HiCap1
September 7, 2012, 03:53 PM
Has anyone used a Charter 9mm and can report on it?

HiCap

minutemen1776
September 7, 2012, 04:26 PM
I know that there are 9mm revolvers offered by Charter and Taurus, but the reputation of neither inspire my confidence. Besides, they don't have the LCR's sweet trigger, and their weight/size are considerably greater than that of the LCR.

Jim Watson
September 7, 2012, 04:49 PM
If they did not make the LCR in their own caliber, .327, I don't see them making it in 9mm.
Their previous efforts in 9mm Speed Six and SP101 have not sold well.

Monster Zero
September 7, 2012, 08:56 PM
Whatever float your boat. Personally I'd be interested in .22WMR.

That's just me though.

351 WINCHESTER
September 7, 2012, 09:03 PM
The liittle 9mm does quite qell from a short barrel revolver. Several decades ago Widley Clapp tested the new s & w 940 against the sp101, both in 9mm. The highest recorded vecocity was from corbon's 115+P at a screaming 1247 fps. Not bad. I bought some of that ammo and it was way too hot loaded for me.

The Lone Haranguer
September 7, 2012, 09:10 PM
Very low at best, IMO. Every time a maker produces the 9mm revolver that everyone says they want, no one buys them.

R.W.Dale
September 7, 2012, 10:24 PM
Very low at best, IMO. Every time a maker produces the 9mm revolver that everyone says they want, no one buys them.

True but ruger lately seems to be on a big kick of offering tried n true models in unique variations (al la Taurus)

When you get right down to it a 9mm lcr is just a 357 lcr with a different reamer used on the cylinder and a package of moon clips tossed in the box

Chuck Perry
September 7, 2012, 10:48 PM
For the OP, an option might be an LCR in 357 coupled with reduced/tactical 357 loads. The secret to the 9's performance in snubs is the pressure level it runs at. The 9's pressure falls between the 38 and 357. The reduced loadings of the 357 give you the same performance as the 9 would.
If you really must have a 9MM, you could rechamber an LCR to it. There is a poster here on THR that did this with a S&W snub nose. I believe he had it rechambered to 9X23, which allows him to also fire 9MM in it.

R.W.Dale
September 7, 2012, 11:34 PM
For the OP, an option might be an LCR in 357 coupled with reduced/tactical 357 loads. The secret to the 9's performance in snubs is the pressure level it runs at. The 9's pressure falls between the 38 and 357. The reduced loadings of the 357 give you the same performance as the 9 would.
If you really must have a 9MM, you could rechamber an LCR to it. There is a poster here on THR that did this with a S&W snub nose. I believe he had it rechambered to 9X23, which allows him to also fire 9MM in it.

9mm operates at the same 35k psi as 357 magnum. +p operates at 38k!!

357 mag is actually between 9mm and 38 in terms of pressure if one were to include +p

Chuck Perry
September 7, 2012, 11:49 PM
Interesting, thought it was the other way around. But looking at SAAMI specs I see you are right. So, other than cheap 9mm ammo and the cool factor of moon clips, what is to gain from a 9mm revolver over a 357? If both are running about the same pressure, and pushing near identical bullets to near identical velocities, surely the blast and recoil are near identical as well? I've fired plenty of snub 357's but never a 9mm so I can't comment from direct experience. But it would seem to me there's no free lunch here.

R.W.Dale
September 7, 2012, 11:54 PM
That's what suprised me the most when I started shooting my 9mm re olver. The blast and recoil is nowhere near what it tends to be with full house 357's


Propellant burn rates and quantities are most likely determining factors

minutemen1776
September 8, 2012, 12:37 AM
an option might be an LCR in 357 coupled with reduced/tactical 357 loads

You're right, and I'd considered this. The Remington Golden Saber 125-grain .357, for example, is very close to the 124-grain 9mm +P Speer Gold Dot. However, for me this means stocking a separate caliber and having to practice with pricey loads. No matter how I slice it, I really don't think I'd make the leap to the LCR unless I could get it in 9mm.

WC145
September 8, 2012, 05:24 AM
Can you just have an LCR cylinder scalloped to take moon clips and shoot 9mm through it?
No, the chambers have to be reamed to accommodate the 9mm case because it is tapered. It is larger in diameter at the base than a .38spl.

I have a S&W 360J that has been rechambered to 9x23 by Pinnacle High Performance. The conversion has worked out great for me.

AJChenMPH
September 10, 2012, 09:46 AM
I have emailed Mark a couple of times at Pinnacle about doing the 9mm conversion on the LCR (I've offered to buy a new cylinder/crane assembly), but so far no response...

WC145
September 11, 2012, 05:22 AM
I have emailed Mark a couple of times at Pinnacle about doing the 9mm conversion on the LCR (I've offered to buy a new cylinder/crane assembly), but so far no response...
Call him, he's terrible at answering emails but he'll answer the phone. I've been doing business with him for several years and have spoken to him I don't know how many times but have yet to get an email response.

BCRider
September 11, 2012, 03:19 PM
An LCR designed from the ground up as a 9mm would be sweet.

First off the cylinder could be shortened from the current length and the barrel lengthened by the matching amount. Or the gun could be made that much shorter. The difference in lengths is a bit over 1/2 inch.

Actually the difference in length is such that some consideration would need to be given to a purpose designed 9mm snubby revolver to ensure that the cylinder gap remains reasonably well forward of the gripping hands. So a whole half inch shorter cylinder may not be something that would be achievable.

AJChenMPH
September 12, 2012, 09:26 PM
Call him, he's terrible at answering emails but he'll answer the phone. I've been doing business with him for several years and have spoken to him I don't know how many times but have yet to get an email response.
Roger, thanks -- I'll give that a shot.

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