44Mag vs 10mm for hogs?


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JohnKSa
February 26, 2004, 10:54 PM
Ok, this isn't a caliber war thread.

Here's the deal.

It looks like I'm going to get to hunt hogs. I'm going to use a rifle for my primary gun, but figured it wouldn't hurt to have a backup handgun. Obviously it needs to be relatively compact since I'm carrying a rifle.

So, here's the choice.

4" bbl .44 Mag (629)
6" bbl 10mm (Glock 20 w/extended bbl)

Does the extra barrel length on the 10mm and the extra capacity compensate in some measure for the lesser power compared to the .44Mag?

I also have a couple of .357 mag revolvers. Should I just go with one of those?

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JShirley
February 27, 2004, 12:24 AM
What ammo do you have for the Glock?

Do you shoot one better than the other? Is there a significant difference? Do you know what size hogs are usual in your area?

John

JohnKSa
February 27, 2004, 12:36 AM
I've got time to get pretty much whatever kind of ammo in either gun. Do you have recommendations? Left to myself I'd probably go for something in 200grains in the 10mm and a 240gr JSP in the .44Mag.

Hogs in the area average around 100lbs according to the outfitter, but they can get a lot bigger. I've seen pics and reports of some in this area well past 250lbs.

Shooting ability is probably about the same either way. Maybe an edge to the autoloader. I don't envision really fast followup shots with either with the kind of loads I was thinking about.

JShirley
February 27, 2004, 01:56 AM
Personally, I would go with a sturdy 180 or 200-grain 10mm load. This is because I can shoot a Glock faster and more accurately than an N-frame at any distance.

If there really is little difference for you, it's a toss-up. Fortunately, there are no bad choices, unless (perhaps) you load that 10mm with a light bullet that doesn't penetrate much, or rush a shot with the 629, and the slower recovery time keeps you from reaquiring that charging boar before he turns the tables and consumes you.



:D

John

twoblink
February 27, 2004, 02:14 AM
I would say pick the one that you shoot best with.

A well placed SMALLER bullet is better than a missed BIGGER bullet...

Greybeard
February 27, 2004, 08:34 AM
Dadgummit John, I was just about done drooling for a Glock 10mm when you start THIS thread. ;)

From what I've read recently (somewhere, but I forgot - "The 10 Ring" ? over at www.glocktalk.com ?), I think the extended barrel picks up an extra 100 fps or so.

Beyond folks like Cor-bon and such, there's a new ammo maker by the name of "Double Tap" that seems quite popular with 10mm fans. It appears to be very hot.

Ohen Cepel
February 27, 2004, 08:43 AM
I took a 300lb boar with an extended Glock like yours.

Winchester Slivertips in it, 180gr I think. One shot to the shoulder, he didn't go much further than 10ft. Shot placement as always is key.

I think either is a fine choice, go with what you're best with. I took the Glock 20 over my Desert Eagle since it was a walk, quick shot type hunt. I just wasn't as comfortable with a fast draw with the DE.

Enjoy!

Greybeard
February 27, 2004, 08:53 AM
http://www.doubletapammo.com/main_site/index.html

Several loads in range of 700 ft/lbs. +

Edited to add: Regarding current .357, if you've not seen already: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66773

Also there, H&H and I digressed a bit regarding tactics possibly helpful with The Wife ... ;)

Art Eatman
February 27, 2004, 09:49 AM
Ditto the idea that you oughta take the one with which you can hit the best. The .44 will always outdo the 10mm, but the odds are really against needing a backup gun, anyway. And lots of guys have killed big hogs with .357s, which aren't much more than the 10mm...

:), Art

patentnonsense
February 27, 2004, 09:56 AM
Remember that with big hogs that shoulder ridge can stop a lot. For a hunting sidearm you need to be able to stop a charge, which is much toughter than an aimed shot on a standing animal, and DOES mean you may want rapid fire. I tend to think that heavier bullets are a better bet, because they're less likely to blow up in the shield. I usually carry a 44 with 300 grain Hornady loads, but (at least for my revolver) I'm very tempted by the hot 330 grain hard-cast loads now available.

I think the 10 with an extended barrel is a fascinating tool, but this isn't the place for it.

My .02, but I've never faced a charge myself. I am inclined toward heavy armament for boar, just in case I meet a really big one - the Texas state record (from Central Texas) is over 1000 pounds.

Let us know if you want to share any good pig-hunting locations in N.Tex/S.Okla.! Best,

JShirley
February 27, 2004, 12:25 PM
I also don't think you'll actually NEED the backup.

However, with the understanding that .44 Maggie always hits harder, my advice was based on dealing with a charge. On a charging boar, good luck OSS with anything other than a head shot. (The nice boar mounted on the wall of the hunting cabin- between 250 and 300 lbs- took a .35 Whelen 250 grain to each shoulder.)

I can pour out aimed fire much faster with a Glock 10 than a 629.

6-1/2 dozen. Use what you're most comfortable with, loaded with good ammo. Personally, I would NOT use the Silvertip 10. Silvertips are designed to have minimal penetration, which is the opposite of what you want. I shoot a lot of Georgia Arms stuff, and they load a 180-grain Gold Dot, which is a sturdy bullet. It's not as hot as some others mentioned (1150 fps), but then, it's inexpensive enough that you should have no problem getting in a lot of practice with it.

John

Greybeard
February 27, 2004, 12:38 PM
A couple of months back, I let a buddy convince me that I "needed" a 7 1/2" SBH in .454. But, packing that thing as a "back up" all day is a BEAST.

After a little "rationalization" (and being around his with no ear protection), the last time I carried it, it was keyed up with a hot .45LC in the number one hole and the really bad boys thereafter (all 300 gr cast). That trip was in the rain and it became "the primary". Part of the "rationalization" being that if a distant shot was called for, I could rather quickly key up a .454, and have more of the same if needed. But, if close, hopefully not be deaf the rest of the day if only one shot was needed. ;)

Which, brings me back to a "need" :D for the Glock 10mm. Last weekend, when planning to carry 30/06 in good weather, I intentionally left the SBH at home and left airweight .357 snub "almost always gun" in ankle holster as "back up" (or tree climbin' gun :D ).

I see the Glock 10mm as having exceptional firepower/weight ratio, and having shot so many Glocks, I'm almost certain would be quicker back on target, for me anyway, than a revolving hand cannon - at least the ones that begin with a "4".

JohnKSa
February 27, 2004, 07:00 PM
Greybeard,

The extended barrel from Glock cost about $140 IIRC. That seemed pretty reasonable to me. Just thought that might help you decide if you need a G20 or not...

Greybeard
February 27, 2004, 07:30 PM
Thanks John, but it's mostly just dreamin' for me just now. Heck, I've even looked at going the other direction - the Model 29 for a little more compactness. And from what I've read, the extended barrels may not workie there ... Guess ya know about Bachman Pawn and Gun off NW Hwy? I've found them and CTD in FW to have some of the best non-show pricing if needing to be relieved of some big bucks on a weekday.

MeekandMild
February 27, 2004, 07:44 PM
My vote is the .44. Sometimes pigs get into water and mud. I don't know how well a semiauto would shoot in the mud.

Only pigs I've ever seen shot were with a .22 with head shots and these were some pretty tough and wild critters.

Greybeard
February 27, 2004, 08:16 PM
M&M - Dontcha know that at point-blank wallowing distance, KNIVES are the tool of choice for real men! Also, the blowback of fur and such with a .44 has a tendency to plug up the cylinder so it don't spin good. :D Beside's Gaston's tupperware is supposed to also be best for shootin' underwater. ;) ....... No, thank you. :D

Intune
February 27, 2004, 08:51 PM
.44 mag 300gr. Dead hog.

H&Hhunter
February 28, 2004, 09:58 PM
My vote is the .44. Sometimes pigs get into water and mud. I don't know how well a semiauto would shoot in the mud.

M&M,

Not even a contest. The Glock is 100% more mudable than any wheel gun ever built. Whell guns lock up way easier when grity and slimey than a Glock.

Hey I know a Glock is a tupperware pistol but they go bang every time you pull the trigger and my G-20 shoots as tight as any pistol I've ever owned.

I like my 629 as well and my Redhawk is a great gun too. But the Glock is just an ugly stick.

JohnKSa
February 28, 2004, 11:01 PM
My 629 is a '-1' and I found out recently they're not as sturdy as the '-2E' and later models. That's probably going to keep bullet weights down to 240gr or lower.

It's looking better for the G20 with that bit of information. I COULD use my SRH with the 7" barrel, but that's a bit large to carry with a rifle. Heck, the 629 is plenty big, even with the 4" bbl.

twoblink
February 29, 2004, 11:49 AM
Beauty contest... the .44 hands down.

SHTF.. probably the Glock..

JShirley
February 29, 2004, 05:03 PM
Aside from mag-related probs, the only malfs I've had from Glocks came from limp-wristing a Glock 17 (was always a .40 and up shooter).

I've had tons of crap on and in my Glocks. Sand, mud...no malfs. (Though my exwife did manage to get so much sand into the Glock 21 that it finally worked down into the trigger mech and literally jammed it, until thoroughly flushed out with soapy water. This took place well after we were finished shooting.)

OTOH, I've fired Smiths just a tiny fraction of the shots fired through Glocks. In that time, without any adverse conditions, I have managed to have a malf. I shudder to think of trying to use a Smith in mud or sand. In those conditions, I'd take a Glock anyday.

John

Matt G
March 1, 2004, 03:33 AM
Going back to TFL:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16501&highlight=hog

Rob said: (we are discussing knife hunting in more depth at http://www.bladeforums.com )My wife shot a russian boar during the day with the RT Glock.[10 mm] One shot right behind the shoulder with a 180 grain Hydrashok. It penetrated the shield, went through the lungs and wast stopped in the opposite shield. I was very disappointed at the lack of expansion. The "shield" clogged the HP. Given the lack of expansion I was doubly surprised that the bullet didn't completley penetrate the animal. Where's our Winchester bullets when we need them ??

Rob's [ex]wife dropped her hog with little trouble with her Glock 10, even with expansion issues.

But then, Rob has a different idea of what's sufficient-- in the same thread, he describes knifing two other hogs. Yikes.

Rascal
March 1, 2004, 09:15 PM
I would never use hollow points on Hogs period, but a SP through either would do the job. You can't go wrong with either chioce. I use a 629 as my backup, because that's all I got.

JohnKSa
March 2, 2004, 12:01 AM
Talked to S&W today about the 629-1. The tech recommended ONLY shooting lighter than 240 grain bullets in the gun.

With the short barrel and the bullet weight restriction, AND the nearly triple capacity of the 10mm, I'm going to go with the Glock 20.

Greybeard
March 2, 2004, 10:12 AM
Enjoy it. :)

DigMe
March 2, 2004, 10:45 AM
I think you'll be fine with any of the guns mentioned. Last week I dispatched two hogs with my .357 Blackhawk loaded with Federal 180gr castcores. Penetration was excellent and incapacitation was quick. Click here for the details. (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67391).

My only problem is I can't find good heavy hunting loads locally.

brad cook

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