Digital vs Beam Scale
gpjoe
September 11, 2012, 06:39 PM
OK, simple - do you use a digital scale or beam scale?
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cfullgraf
September 11, 2012, 06:41 PM
Digital but still have a beam scale for back-up.
tightgroup tiger
September 11, 2012, 06:56 PM
I use digitol but also use a beam scale for double checking the digitol when at maximum loads, where I'm at most of the time.
I can't be to careful there.
jcwit
September 11, 2012, 07:05 PM
Both but I prefer a digital.
CZ57
September 11, 2012, 07:14 PM
Beam. I haven't developed the trust in digitals yet. ;)
dap22
September 11, 2012, 07:17 PM
Both......digital is my go to scale but I always cross check on the beam scale.
higgite
September 11, 2012, 07:25 PM
I'm in the "use a digital but check it against a beam scale every so often" camp.
beatledog7
September 11, 2012, 07:30 PM
Primary digital, and a back-up digital. If they'e both calibrated and they agree, the weight is right.
dragon813gt
September 11, 2012, 07:31 PM
Both. And I check them all(2 digitals and one beam) against each other and with a full range of check weights. The digitals always come with weights to check them in the middle and max. I prefer to check them throughout their entire range. But I'm extremely anal and have bought almost every digital scale marketed for reloading. I didn't have acceptable repeatable results with well over 95% of them.
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Arkansas Paul
September 11, 2012, 07:32 PM
I didn't vote because nothing really fit. I use both, but not because I'm trying to be extra careful. I just use different tools for different applications.
Digital to check the Uniflow every 20 or so rounds when loading for pistol stuff.
Beam scale when loading rifle so I can throw a little light and trickle up. Trying to trickle up to a weight on a digital is a huge PITA.
I could use the beam for the pistol stuff, but we picked up a NIB digital at a gunshow for a song so it gets put to use too.
Craigman
September 11, 2012, 07:36 PM
I use 2 digitals and check them against each other frequently. Plus I have light and heavy check weights. So far so good in my limited 5 years of the hobby.
BYJO4
September 11, 2012, 07:47 PM
I have both but prefer my beam scale.
bds
September 11, 2012, 08:15 PM
I use an Ohaus 10-10 which I check against Lee Safety Scale/RCBS 5-0-5. I also have a couple of older MidwayUSA digital scales that I use to sort rifle cases and bullets. I use check weights with all of them.
For my scales, beam scales are accurate to .1 gr and the digital scales to .2 gr.
Ohaus 10-10/Lee/5-0-5 scales move with 1/4"x1/4" piece of paper. Digital scales won't register until 1/2"x1/2" piece of paper is used and display .1 gr.
If I am loading near max/max loads, I will use beam scale. But for some repetitive tasks that doesn't require precision, digital scale is faster. YMMV
rajb123
September 11, 2012, 08:20 PM
my vision is not what is once was..... I cant see the balance beam measures, so I use the digital scale only.
Joatmon
September 11, 2012, 09:15 PM
I use digital scales at work but beam scales at home. RCBS (Ohaus) 10-10 and Dial O grain are my favorites. Take care of them and they will last a lifetime.
Otto
September 11, 2012, 09:33 PM
I use both...but "Both" isn't one of the options in your poll so I didn't vote.
jcwit
September 11, 2012, 10:39 PM
Digital
Beam
Both - can't be too careful
I use both...but "Both" isn't one of the options in your poll so I didn't vote.
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ColtPythonElite
September 11, 2012, 10:44 PM
Haven't used my beam since the early 90's.
RandyP
September 11, 2012, 10:58 PM
My tired old eyeballs luv me some digital - mine is a bare bones $30 MTM DS1250 - but I keep my Lee beam scale as backup.
Otto
September 12, 2012, 12:06 AM
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I use adblockers and element hiding in Firefox and apparently the 'Both' option was removed. I can see it now using Internet Explorer.
There's lots of things I don't see here like stickies, ads, sig lines, banners, etc.
Sport45
September 12, 2012, 12:17 AM
Both, but the digital (PACT BBKII) does at least 99% of my weighing.
mgmorden
September 12, 2012, 12:27 AM
I use beam scales (have both a Redding and a Lee - I occasionally check on both if I'm getting the measure setup to do big batches). Also use regular vernier calipers.
For someone who makes his living as a computer programmer I have an unusually distrust of digital measuring devices. :)
Canuc Shooter
September 12, 2012, 05:13 AM
I use a Beam scale about 99% of the time, with an occasional recheck on the Dillon digital.
accrhodes
September 12, 2012, 09:13 AM
Beam
morcey2
September 12, 2012, 09:20 AM
Beam. But I only started reloading a couple of weeks ago. It'll probably switch to 'both' in the next week.
kerreckt
September 12, 2012, 09:27 AM
I use both. Routinely cross check the one I'm using with the other one. Don't want any time consuming big problems.
MtnCreek
September 12, 2012, 09:27 AM
Beam for setting up measures or trickling charges. Digital for weighing bullets and brass.
bds
September 12, 2012, 09:28 AM
Beam. But I only started reloading a couple of weeks ago. It'll probably switch to 'both' in the next week.
If you are loading near max/max powder charge loads, you really need a scale that's accurate to .1 gr.
Despite what they "claim", many lower priced digital scales are accurate to .2 gr and may not read consistently.
Place a 1/4"x1/4" piece of paper and see if your scale registers a reading (if not, keep increasing the size of the paper until it does to 1/2"x1/2"). If the scale won't read on a consistent basis to .1 gr, you may need a better beam scale that will.
308win
September 12, 2012, 09:59 AM
Beam - I have four beam scales and use them all as well as to check their individual accuracy.
RandyP
September 12, 2012, 10:03 AM
That is probably the best qualifier regarding digitals, especially the low cost ones like the $30 MTM DS1250 I happily use.
I primarily load low-mid range plinking ammo and only use Win 231/HP-38 which has a pretty liberal range of charge weight going from min to max. My needs would be met just using the Lee dippers. lol I have found the Lee Auto-Pro disk powder dispenser to be quite consistent and would have no problem relying on it for charges closer to the max levels for SD ammo.
Those who choose to load right up to the max and those who use some of the other powders with a VERY slim margin for error min to max would do well to use a scale with precision levels to match their need.
bds
September 12, 2012, 10:18 AM
Despite what they "claim", many lower priced digital scales are accurate to .2 gr and may not read consistently.
Place a 1/4"x1/4" piece of paper and see if your scale registers a reading (if not, keep increasing the size of the paper until it does to 1/2"x1/2"). If the scale won't read on a consistent basis to .1 gr, you may need a better beam scale that will.
That is probably the best qualifier regarding digitals, especially the low cost ones like the $30 MTM DS1250 I happily use.
That's one of many reasons why I suggest W231/HP-38 to new reloaders using mid-to-high range load data. Even if their scale/powder charges were off by .2-.3 gr, they would still be below max powder charge.
Add to this the issue of deeper seated bullet base in case neck and bullet setback, things add up to increasing the chamber pressure. And if you add mixed range pick up brass with unknown reload history (and undetermined amount of case wall stretch - can you say "thinned" case wall?), things starts to get interesting.
For some reloader, these factors may not seem significant but I have seen enough barrels/pistols blow up to have changed my reloading practice (why do you think I push W231/HP-38 with pressure target loads so much? ;)).
I like Titegroup as it produces accurate target loads using minimal powder charges but do not recommend to new reloaders as it has very narrow load range. New reloader thinking they are at start charge could be loading at max+ without knowing it.
I like the quote from the movie Matrix - "Do you really think that's air you are breathing?"
mtrmn
September 12, 2012, 10:30 AM
Beam scale only---RCBS 1010 30 yrs old. Never had to replace a battery, reboot, or throw it away due to electronic glitch. Also only use dial calipers and old-school micrometers. I work in offshore oil industry and automotive repair at home. Seen way too many high dollar electronic gadgets fail with sometimes disastrous results.
HOWARD J
September 12, 2012, 01:40 PM
Both
I don't trust my digital as it is getting old like me----it has to be reset too often
My other is 40 year old RCBS 5-0-5 work great
rajb123
September 12, 2012, 01:54 PM
My eyes are old and tired and I have trouble seeing the numbers on the beam scales. The digital scales are easily read and no adjustment is needed if you are weighing something with an unknown weight.
digitals are quick, easy and fast. Beams are accurate but hard to read and hard to adjust and they take longer, especially if you are weighing something with an unknown weight.
I like accuracy but the digital is accurate enough for me.
rajb123
September 12, 2012, 01:55 PM
.....I wonder why component companies include beam scales in their package press kits??
Does this have to do with product liability concerns?
GT1
September 12, 2012, 02:31 PM
I use a RCBS 10-10, an ancient Lyman M5, and a new Lyman Pro 500. They all seem to agree with each other so it depends what one I want to look at that day(Usually the M5 is on the bench).
I have a nice My Weigh digital, it seems to like to drift and we have trust issues because of that. It is nice for weighing bullets, and other things, things that are not powder. Maybe some day I'll like it more, but I doubt it.
Swampman
September 12, 2012, 04:49 PM
I use both, but I use them for different purposes.
My RCBS 1010 is used for critical applications such as weighing powder charges.
I use a cheap digital for non critical applications like weight sorting bullets.
gpjoe
September 12, 2012, 07:41 PM
.....I wonder why component companies include beam scales in their package press kits??
Does this have to do with product liability concerns?
My Hornady kit came with a digital scale.
marksg
September 13, 2012, 08:53 AM
I use both. beams for powder and digitals for bullets and unknown weights.
Hondo 60
September 13, 2012, 09:46 AM
I have 3 scales.
2 digital - Pact BBK2 & a Cabela's 1500, & 1 beam, an elcheapo Lee Safety Magnetic Powder Scale
I use the Pact scale 99.9% of the time.
But will dbl check on the Cabela's.
If they disagree (almost never) then I'll triple check on the Lee.
I'd probably use a beam scale much more often if I had a good one.
mgmorden
September 13, 2012, 09:52 AM
I'd probably use a beam scale much more often if I had a good one.
The Lee one isn't bad at all. I have 2 a Redding and a Lee. I often use both to make sure they agree, but truth be told, when I only weight on one scale, I weigh on the Lee. Since I load mostly small pistol calibers pretty much all my charges are under 10gr, so I only use the right-side adjustments, and for that I just like the slider Lee uses vs the tiny weight on the Redding.
ApplePie
September 13, 2012, 12:29 PM
I use a digital scale but ALWAYS check it with a beam scale. I feel everyone needs two scales. I like seeing the actual weight of the charge on a screen, rather than adding up the totals of three beams. Too easy to make a mistake that way.
cfullgraf
September 13, 2012, 01:18 PM
.....I wonder why component companies include beam scales in their package press kits??
Does this have to do with product liability concerns?
Probably price has more to do with the decision than liability.
aka108
September 13, 2012, 02:02 PM
I can see what a beam scale does. I can't see what a electronic digital scale does. I trust the beam.
2zulu1
September 13, 2012, 03:12 PM
Used an RCBS beam for decades, now I use an RCBS Chargemaster 1500 to weigh and dispense powder. Beams are great until you are off one notch, then it's a 5.0 grain error. :eek:
jcwit
September 13, 2012, 08:15 PM
I can see what a beam scale does. I can't see what a electronic digital scale does. I trust the beam.
There are just bunches and bunches of things is theis electronic age I neither understand or can actually see how they work. This does not keep me from using the latest technology to the best of my ability. Digital scales being one of them.
tightgroup tiger
September 13, 2012, 09:08 PM
Place a 1/4"x1/4" piece of paper and see if your scale registers a reading (if not, keep increasing the size of the paper until it does to 1/2"x1/2"). If the scale won't read on a consistent basis to .1 gr, you may need a better beam scale that will.
How often do you weigh out only .1 or .2gr for a powder charge. I don't think the electronic scales are calibrated to weigh accurately at the low end of the range.
My $100.00 Hornady electronic scales won't pass your test and yes my beam scale does.
But if I put 5gr. of powder in the electronic scale and drop in a 1/4"x1/4" piece of paper it reads and increase of .1gr everytime.
The only complaint I have with mine is when the air conditioning comes on I may as well forget getting an accurate measurement out of it, but this screws up my beam scales also.
bds
September 13, 2012, 09:19 PM
How often do you weigh out only .1 or .2gr for a powder charge.
Whenever I use Titegroup with 0.3-0.5 gr between the start to max powder charge, .1 or .2 gr becomes quite significant for me and I really get critical when working up to max charges.
9mm 115 gr LRN Titegroup Start 3.9 gr - Max 4.3 gr (.4 gr start/max range)
9mm 115 gr Speer GDHP Titegroup Start 4.5 gr - Max 4.8 gr (.3 gr start/max range)
9mm 125 gr LCN Titegroup Start 3.6 gr - Max 4.0 gr (.4 gr start/max range)
9mm 125 gr Sierra FMJ Titegroup Start 4.1 gr - Max 4.4 gr (.3 gr start/max range)
40S&W 155 gr Hornady XTP Titegroup Start 5.4 gr - Max 5.9 gr
40S&W 165 gr Sierra JHP Titegroup Start 4.6 gr - Max 5.1 gr
40S&W 180 gr Hornady XTP Titegroup Start 4.2 gr - Max 4.7 gr
murf
September 14, 2012, 01:30 AM
beam only here.
murf
tightgroup tiger
September 14, 2012, 07:03 AM
Whenever I use Titegroup with 0.3-0.5 gr between the start to max powder charge, .1 or .2 gr becomes quite significant for me
Yes, it is for all of us, what I'm saying is try your test with the digitol scales after you put 3.9 gr. of titegroup in the pan and see if your scale don't pick up the small paper each time. Better ones will pick it up everytime.
I have a dribbler mounted over my digitols and it will pick up just a few grains of powder and register it when I'm hand loading my .357mags.
I'm not trying to undercut your post here, just saying to try your test in the bandwidth the scales are calibrated for.
My beam scales work 100% of the time, over 100% of the range, and digitols don't, your way right on that.
With that in mind the beam scales are far superior and are much better for a beginner than a digitols.
coalman
September 14, 2012, 12:04 PM
I run a progressive crankin' out range fodder. Analog is good enough for me. Same with calipers these days.
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