S&W Model 10 Surplus in California


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Laramy
September 11, 2012, 11:22 PM
I was curious about why the surplus Model 10's are not legal in CA, and finally figured it out. CA's approved list does include the Model 10-14, and apparently any other flavor of 10 is not legal for sale in the Golden <edit> State. :banghead:

I left CA in 2003, and will never return. I am currently stuck in NYC which is just as bad, but plan to leave for a free state as soon as I can.

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firesky101
September 12, 2012, 01:17 AM
I believe that anything over 50yrs old is C&R and is exempt from the registry. You would just have to find a dealer with an old one. Since you have not lived here in 8 years I am not sure what set you off today though.

gotboostvr
September 12, 2012, 01:59 PM
That's completely backwards, I have a California Dept of Corrections marked 64.

rromeo
September 12, 2012, 05:30 PM
And what is the point of this thread? I'm sure most people know California has some bad laws.

Arkansas Paul
September 12, 2012, 05:52 PM
I'm pretty sure he's asking what is it about the model 10 that causes it to be prohibited in California when similar revolvers are not.

fastest45ever
September 12, 2012, 06:18 PM
"**********" used to be a term in the rules that was specifically banned in this forum.

It appears the rules have been amended, and that specific term has been removed.

Is this correct?

Is ********** now an accepted spelling for the state?
Moderator?

230RN
September 12, 2012, 06:21 PM
Arkansas Paul noted:

I'm pretty sure he's asking what is it about the model 10 that causes it to be prohibited in California when similar revolvers are not.

Possibly because it used to be a pretty standard police weapon? The "Assault Revolver" of the last century? And it used to be called the "Military and Police" (M&P) guh-uhn.

And we all know we shouldn't have those eeevill "military-style" weapons.

That "pluck" sound you just heard was me pulling my tongue out of my cheek.

Terry, 230RN

SaxonPig
September 12, 2012, 06:46 PM
Any handgun sold in CA must be on the "approved list." Every single feature variation must be separately tested and listed. A blue M10-5 with a 4" barrel may be approved but the 5" version would required separate approval. As would a nickel gun.

The joke comes when you learn that SA revolvers are exempt because they can't pass the drop test. What? Isn't this supposed to be a safety test? Right. It's a tax. It costs thousands to get a gun on the list and CA wants the cash.

C&R qualified pistols are exempt and may be imported and sold in CA.

I bailed out of CA in 1992.

MagnumDweeb
September 12, 2012, 07:35 PM
So wait, SaxonPig, you can buy a Ruger SuperBlackhawk .44 magnum 7.5" but not a S&W Model 10 that doesn't qualify for C&R? That seems strange, I realize it exists but doesn't make sense. Oh wait, yeah, money, California, my bad. I was expecting things to kind of make sense there for a minute, my bad.

dbublitz
September 12, 2012, 07:47 PM
The politics/policies of that state are a disgrace to this great nation. IMHO :fire:

rcmodel
September 12, 2012, 08:07 PM
What SaxonPig said in post #8 is the reason the older surplus S&W Model 10's are not allowed to be sold.

Any firearm model sold in California must pass the mandatory drop tests and safety tests.

It costs a manufacture several big ones to submit sample guns of each model and pay for the anointment / Holy Water blessing to sell them there.

Apparently S&W submitted the latest and greatest Model 10's for testing.
But none made 30-40 years ago, which is reasonable.

Never mind the Model 10, or any other S&W DA revolver safety system has not changed since the end of WWII!!

Which is completely unreasonable on the part of California, if they knew the first thing about the guns they are placing safety restrictions on.

rc

9mmepiphany
September 12, 2012, 10:09 PM
"**********" used to be a term in the rules that was specifically banned in this forum.

It appears the rules have been amended, and that specific term has been removed.

Is this correct?

Is ********** now an accepted spelling for the state?
Moderator?
The rule has not been amended and we still insist on the correct spelling of state names.

The thread title has been edited

9mmepiphany
September 12, 2012, 10:20 PM
Any handgun sold in CA must be on the "approved list."
Any firearm model sold in California must pass the mandatory drop tests and safety tests.
Neither of the above statements is true

Any gun sold by a FFL must be on the approved list.

Handguns already legally in the state that are not on the list may be sold between private parties. The sale still needs to go through a FFL...who can charge a maximum of $35

Handguns can also be gifted up and down family lines (grandfather/grandmother>father/mother>son/daughter) without being on the approved list

There are actually other exceptions, Olympic Target/Competition, Single Action, Single Shot, etc...but it would be better if you read it for yourself.

Take a look at Calguns

Snubshooter
September 12, 2012, 10:36 PM
Actually, IF the Model 10 or 19 Etc. is already in the state it may be bought and sold. They may not be imported into the RUSTY STATE unless they are new(and on THE LIST) or converted to single action only. If imported as a SAO it MAY be returned to SA/DA by the new owner after it is DROSed (background check, 10 day wait). LEOs may purchase off list firearms as well and bring them into the state. The rules are quite Byzantine.

SaxonPig
September 12, 2012, 11:34 PM
Excuse me, my statements WERE NOT INCORRECT. They were simplified to answer the question. He was asking about dealers offering used guns and I spoke to that issue. I omitted the other aspects of CA law as he did not directly ask about private transfers and grandfathered guns and I wanted to keep my response brief.

Next time, I suggest saying "to add to what was said..." rather than saying "this guy is wrong."

If I sound offended... good. That is my intention.

9mmepiphany
September 12, 2012, 11:55 PM
I apologize as I did not mean to offend...I should have said not completely true

However, I did not see where the OP was only looking to purchase from a FFL in that he posted "apparently any other flavor of 10 is not legal for sale" and the impression I was left with was that he was interested in any purchase

rcmodel
September 13, 2012, 10:49 AM
Neither of the above statements is trueWoW!
I thought this was the OP's question,
I was curious about why the surplus Model 10's are not legal in CA,

And I assumed he wanted to know why he couldn't order a used Model 10 from Buds or J&G Sales.

rc

9mmepiphany
September 13, 2012, 11:24 AM
And once again we see the limitations of communications via the written word over the internet.

For any who were offended or took exception to my additions/objections, please accept that it was not my intent :(

firesky101
September 13, 2012, 01:29 PM
No biggie 9mm, My original response was somewhat lacking as well but I did not really feel like taking too much time on what I was pretty sure was a troll.

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