Smith and Wesson 627 V-Comp for LE Duty


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houdinicop
September 12, 2012, 10:08 PM
I am new to this forum>

I am a Police Officer and want to carry my SW 627 V-Comp 357 mag on duty. Can anyone point me in the right direction with a good duty holster manufacturer? I have searched and searched and found nothing out there. Does anyone know of any cops carrying a revolver (627) these days?

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Chuck Perry
September 12, 2012, 11:26 PM
When I was carrying a 625 and/or 627, I found this one. I never got around to ordering one as it was a short lived fad for me. I most often carried in a Desantis thumb break scabbard. El Paso Saddlery makes some revolver duty holsters, but they are all Level 1 retention. I think the one I linked below qualifies as a Level 2. I am not aware of anyone offering a Level 3.

http://stallionleather.com/product_info.php?cPath=65_41_21&products_id=256

houdinicop
September 13, 2012, 02:56 PM
Thanks a lot i appreciate the feedback.

dprice3844444
September 13, 2012, 03:13 PM
http://www.safariland.com/Catalog.aspx look up 6280 holsters
http://www.officerstore.com/store/product.cfm/pid_6084_safariland_model_6280_level_ii_retention_mid_ride_sls_duty_holster_stx_tactical_right_hand/ what the holster looks like.don't know if the 627 will fit with the 686 size etc.
i use the 6280 with the sls sentry and hood adapter for my glocks.

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Lawdawg45
September 13, 2012, 04:07 PM
I am new to this forum>

I am a Police Officer and want to carry my SW 627 V-Comp 357 mag on duty. Can anyone point me in the right direction with a good duty holster manufacturer? I have searched and searched and found nothing out there. Does anyone know of any cops carrying a revolver (627) these days?

Welcome to the minority fold:D. I carried a S&W model 25 for most of my career, rejecting the model 39, 659, and finally the Glock 17. Never felt out gunned with 300 grain JHP's, and my reloads were usually nano seconds behind the semi auto folks. BTW, to answer your question, there is a 7 page thread on this very topic over on officer.com. Go to the forums under Firearms. You're not alone in this world!;)

bikemutt
September 13, 2012, 05:57 PM
When I traveled on Florida's Tri-Rail last year I noticed the transit police carried .38 special revolvers. I chatted with one for a few minutes and learned he really wanted a semi auto but the department insisted on the wheel guns. Of course, once I knew he preferred semis, their wasn't much left to talk about :)

Chuck Perry
September 13, 2012, 06:04 PM
Never knew that the 6280 was available for a 686. I just talked with a local Safariland rep at a retail event a couple days ago about a security holster for my 686 and she said there was nothing available. Guess I should call her :cool: The 6280 is a very good holster. I just got one for my M&P set up for a tac light.

houdinicop
September 14, 2012, 08:46 PM
Wow a lot of great information! Really happy i stumbled across this site! Thanks to everyone who had info to pass along. My SW 627 will be delivered tomorrow and I cant wait to take it out for a test drive!

GRIZ22
September 14, 2012, 11:30 PM
I would suggest removing the compensator from the gun for duty use. You may have to shoot the gun from other than eye level and the last thing you'll need is a blast of hot gases in your face.

David E
September 15, 2012, 12:45 AM
I would suggest removing the compensator from the gun for duty use. You may have to shoot the gun from other than eye level and the last thing you'll need is a blast of hot gases in your face.

I'd like to see how you're holding this 6" revolver for that to be a legitimate concern, especially when the flash gap never causes even a passing thought.

GRIZ22
September 27, 2012, 03:16 AM
The vents in the compensator are on top. If you're shooting from a retention position you can get gases in your face. I've seen this with Magnaport and other compensators.

BSA1
September 27, 2012, 09:22 AM
All of this talk about retention position has me puzzled as to when allowing your attacker to make body contact with you became accepted in self-defense.

Futhermore if I was to use such poor tactics as to delay shooting until my attacker was that close I would simply extend my arm jamming the barrel of my into his body and pulling the trigger as many times as necessary to stop the attack.

A LEO friend of mine used that tactic once when attacked by burglar and it worked very well. One shot into the liver and the burglar didn't want to play anymore. My friend also now admits he didn't use tactics very well by allowing the perp to get that close to him and not getting backup before checking the building.

Yada, yada, yada. Spare me the b.s. about the attacker grabbing the cylinder of the revolver. I can tell you that the gas from the b/c gap hurts a lot.

What is the barrel length of the O.P.s V-comp...5"? Along with the length of the barrel a vented barrel held at your side is unlikely to allow gases to hit you in the face unless you can change how the body is constructed.

Also the vented gases will cause injury to a attacker that has grabbed your gun along with the damage the bullet is going to cause.

A fact that is lost in today's popularity of semi-autos is the revolvers superiority in CQB.

For me the tradeoff of controllablity with magnum loads even in CQB far offsets the remoteness of escaping gases blowing upwards and somehow striking me in the face with enough force to cause injury.

Range games often have little to do with real world combat.

MK11
September 27, 2012, 10:38 AM
You know a post is dealing with a lot of unexamined assumptions when it states, "I would simply...."

BSA1
September 27, 2012, 12:28 PM
We didn't have fancy shooting schools and the Internet over 30 years ago when I started as a LEO. I learned my tactics from tried and true street officers. Big difference from today with all sorts of self proclaimed experts running shooting schools.

We can play these what-if games all day on the Internet but jamming a revolver into a attackers body and pulling the trigger until he doesn't want to play anymore is a proven and very deadly tactic that works.

David E
September 27, 2012, 01:44 PM
The vents in the compensator are on top. If you're shooting from a retention position you can get gases in your face. I've seen this with Magnaport and other compensators.

Sorry, I'll need to see a picture of that. The comp is the 5th inch of the barrel, so think about how far back the gun must be held to get the ports under the eyes for this to be a realistic concern.

If a rubber-armed cop is forced to hold it back that far by a deadly assailant, he should shove the muzzle as deep into the badguy as possible before pulling the trigger. Problem solved.

ArchAngelCD
September 28, 2012, 12:09 AM
Bianchi has been making service holsters for a very long time and still does. Take a look at This One (http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/Prod.php?TxtModelID=111) or This One (http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/Prod.php?TxtModelID=7001) and see if either fits your needs.

There are others too. http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/CatList.php?numSubCat=1

Be careful out there. Be safe...

GRIZ22
September 28, 2012, 01:17 AM
Apparently some have never heard of anyone initiating an attack from 3-5' away. They may live in some world where everyone stays 20' from everyone else. Try that on a busy city sidewalk. You also need to think that if you are shooting from a retention position at very close range (which is why you're shooting like that to begin with) you probably are going to have the muzzle pointed up a bit to shoot into the chest cavity instead of hitting him in the hip. The closer they are the more elevation you'd give the muzzle. Simple geometry will display how the ports or vents can become aligned with your eyes. No rubber arms involved.

There was no internet when I started as a LEO either. Firearms training was very limited then also. Most LEOs used 38s with RNL and shot wadcutters on a bullseye or PPC course to qualify. The advantage of the internet is to exchange ideas. Relying only on the experience of officers in your area also limited the information available to you.

David E
September 28, 2012, 03:08 AM
Apparently some have never heard of anyone initiating an attack from 3-5' away.

Sure we have.

if you are shooting from a retention position at very close range (which is why you're shooting like that to begin with) you probably are going to have the muzzle pointed up a bit to shoot into the chest cavity instead of hitting him in the hip.

Then they're doing it and/or teaching it wrong.

If they are THAT close, like in body contact, the faster you get him off you, the better

There won't be time or space to "elevate the muzzle towards his chest," especially with a 5" barreled revolver.

As soon as you clear the muzzle enough so the shot will hit the badguy somewhere, be it ankle, knee or pelvis, then that's the first shot to take. The ports directing the muzzle blast into the thug is a bonus.

Remember, the guy is actively trying to kill the cop, so nano-seconds count.

Chuck Perry
September 28, 2012, 09:11 AM
Part of our yearly qual course is two relays of "two shots from hip level, center mass" from three yards. We used to do it at 1 yard but it's hell on the targets (muzzle blast!). You clear the holster, get the muzzle in the general direction of the chest and press the trigger for two good hits. We are taught to slightly cant the pistol away from our bodies. The pistol is also shot with the muzzle a couple inches forward of your waist.This leaves room for the slide to function, so it doesn't hit your side/body armor and cause a malfunction. If properly done the combination of forward placement and cant would probably direct gas from ports away from the shooter. Now, this is all on a controlled range. In a fight? Who knows where the pistol is going to be when you get the shot off. But, if the muzzle vents are aligned with your body parts, you're going to feel it.

627PCFan
September 28, 2012, 09:20 AM
Im just impressed your Dept will allow you to carry n-frame revolver on duty instead of a semi. I say good on you.

David E
September 28, 2012, 09:39 AM
. If properly done the combination of forward placement and cant would probably direct gas from ports away from the shooter.

See, here's the problem....it would PROBABLY do it, because it looks like it MIGHT.....

Except that it doesn't.

I assumed the very position described with a Glock 23C and braced myself.....nuttin'. Officers size V-10....nuttin'.

Worst case, close your eyes!

mesinge2
September 28, 2012, 10:02 AM
Im just impressed your Dept will allow you to carry n-frame revolver on duty instead of a semi. I say good on you.
Same here.

tomrkba
September 28, 2012, 03:13 PM
All of this talk about retention position has me puzzled as to when allowing your attacker to make body contact with you became accepted in self-defense.

It is a turd sandwich from which the good guy gets to take a large bite. The difference is training for it and maximizing the odds of success.

The 6280 won't work with any N-Frame revolver. It is for S&W K or L Frame revolvers.

Safariland.com's "Will Fit" search reveals no retention holsters for N-Frame revolvers. There are several available, but they do not have the higher level of retention required by departments.

BSA1
September 29, 2012, 09:56 AM
There was no internet when I started as a LEO either. Firearms training was very limited then also. Most LEOs used 38s with RNL and shot wadcutters on a bullseye or PPC course to qualify. The advantage of the internet is to exchange ideas. Relying only on the experience of officers in your area also limited the information available to you.

The exhange of ideas is a generally a good thing (the problem is seperating the wheat from the chaff). However, ideas must be practiced and proven. The more complicated the tactic (i.e. tucking your elbow into your side, canting the gun away from your body, extending the muzzle two inches past the front of your body, aiming slighting upwards) is a lot to remember and requires a lot of practice to use. Heck I had college exams easier than this!

Compare all that to jamming the muzzle of a revolver into the body of your attacker and keep pulling the trigger until he stops his attack. Very simple, very basic, very easy to remember, very easy to do one handed.

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