[Templar223]

From Guns Save Life...

Dick’s Sporting Goods new ammo purchase policy clarified… (http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=2082)

Excerpt:

Mr. Eades said that the company had recently changed policy, chain-wide, and was now asking purchasers of ammunition to verify they are U.S. citizens before allowing them to complete ammunition purchases.

http://www.gunssavelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Dicks4.jpg

There's more about Illinois residents in the story here. (http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=2082)

John

[Neverwinter]

now asking purchasers of ammunition to verify they are U.S. citizens before allowing them to complete ammunition purchases.

Someone forget to tell them that legal resident aliens aren't prohibited by that law they cite?

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[wally]

And people who are here illegally won't just press "yes".

[Teachu2]

They are covering their backsides with a "good faith" effort. It's annoying, but they rarely have what I want at a reasonable price, anyway.

[blarby]

And people who are here illegally won't just press "yes".

If some legislation were to materialize that could hold the retailer accountable....

The fact that they asked and you lied takes them off the hook.


FWIW- there was a big hoopla over this some time ago in CA....they were doing this there when I lived there, and thats going on a couple years now.

Real easy solution : Dicks is expensive for ammo, and their gun counter guys are in general much like the namesake on the front of the store.


Just buy somewhere else.......

[Ehtereon11B]

About as effective as the age check to pornographic sites asking if someone is over 18. The dumbest 17 year old knows what to say to that question. As would the dumbest illegal Mexican say yes to Dick's question. Glad to see common sense reign in the retail world.

[roadchoad]

It' not a fair system. I don't see the button to press for Spanish...


:neener:

[silicosys4]

For what its worth....being an illegal immigrant doesn't necessarily mean being a mexican, or speaking spanish.

[BSA1]

Meine Leute kamen gesetzlich auf dem Boot vor mehr als 125 Jahren.

[threefortyduster]

Let's put it this way, Dick's IDs me to buy gun slings, a piece of rubber (palm saver for black powder ram rod), and anything else from that corner of the store. This doesn't surprise me one bit.

[Ignition Override]

And if other sporting goods stores don't order such equipment, wouldn't people avoid shopping at Dick's?

[Deltaboy]

Fine with me since Illegals and such will just LIE anyway.

[Texan Scott]

Come down to Texas, y'all, and learn somethin'. About a quarter of my workforce speak Spanish as a first language, and maybe 10% speak almost no English. Every one of them is here legally - the vast majority are native-born Texans like me. It bothers me that they get viewed with suspicion or singled out for extra attention when exercising common liberties. It bothers me to know that law enforcement views them with suspicion I wouldn't get. It bothers me to hear certain sentiments expressed; it especially bothers me that the feds seem to be profiling here near the border and that chains like Dicks are so ready and willing to go along with extra-legal regulation to cover their own butts.

[Templar223]

I agree with the poster above.

And ultimately it is a CYA.

The article we wrote tries to put down some of the wild rumors we heard. "They are recording ammo purchases because they sell AR-15s. It's a new law in IL" is how one member reported it to us. "And they make you sign something before you can go forward with the transaction at the cashier."

Classic example of not hearing it right, coupled information overload and anger, and then trying to remember it. Just a train wreck.

It's not nearly as tin-foil hat-ish as it was reported to us.

For which I am glad.

John

[orionengnr]

never mind...

[blarby]

Well, before this one gets shut down as an anchor babies thread......

I agree with ya Texan Scott- and I'd like that one on the record.

[Certaindeaf]

Just remember to vote!

ID/"registration" optional, of course. yay

[maskedman504]

...and then the little bastards are US citizens by mis-interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

So the babies are bastards for being born here? Perhaps they weren't given a choice in the matter. :confused: :barf:

[paramedic70002]

That could turn into a lot of questions.

Are you mentally stable?

Are you going to ill someone?

Are you going to commit armed robbery?

And the list goes on.

How about just "Is it legal for you to buy this item?"

[Ehtereon11B]

For what its worth....being an illegal immigrant doesn't necessarily mean being a mexican, or speaking spanish.


True but I am pretty sure most of us (at least I am) are going for gross generalizations and stereotypes. In my hometown we had more French-Canadian illegals and not a single Mexican but to each their own.

[EddieNFL]

It bothers me that they get viewed with suspicion or singled out for extra attention when exercising common liberties. It bothers me to know that law enforcement views them with suspicion I wouldn't get.

Much like my Muslim friends in Nashville.


In Chicago hamicide reports white = hispanic. Explain this?

I believe Castilians are considered Caucasian.

Used to visit Dick's before it was Dick's. After a couple of GIs tried to buy firearms and were denied because of Dick's policy (not a legal requirement), I found better places to shop.

[dogtown tom]

Mr Rogers There is nothinf fair. In Chicago hamicide reports white = hispanic. Explain this?
1. Hispanic is not a race, but an ethnicity.
2. I'm impressed that Chicago keeps data on pork related deaths.

[Certaindeaf]

The interesting thing about England is that their census actually provides some breakdowns that we, here in the US, don't. It's public record there what race, age group etc is on the dole etc.
Here, even though "they" know what kind of car you drive and how many bathrooms you have via the census takers, very little useful data is made public for whatever reason.

[mgkdrgn]

Good god .. the courts hold that the cops can't as you if you are a citizen, but Dicks Sporting goods can?

What wrong with this picture?

[JTHunter]

Texan Scott - then let them learn english so that they DON'T draw attention to themselves!

[Texan Scott]

Equal protection under the law should not be predicated on language or ethnicity (or anything else... that's the point. Y'all on this thread are objecting to being asked at the store if you or your parents were born in the US... but complaining that some citizens shouldn't BE citizens, or that its OK for law enforcement to treat some Americans differently because they are of a specific ethnicity, or grew up speaking a language you haven't bothered to learn. You demand the government recognize your rights as an American and condone the disparagment of the rights of others at the same time. Liberty and justice for ALL...
I'm done with this one.

[Texan Scott]

OK, I'm not... look y'all, what I'm trying to say is "give an inch, they'll take a mile". There's no legal requirement for you to prove you're a citizen to buy ammo... but if you refuse, you won't get it. There's no legal requirement for you to allow the BATFE to inspect your bulk ammo shipment, your gun safe, or your living room carpet without a warrant, or let a traffic cop rummage through your car trunk or briefcase... but be prepared for all the harassment they think they can get away with if you say NO. There's no legal requirement for a citizen to PROVE they need or can be trusted with a gun... but many locales will try to deny your 2A rights if they can get away with it. There's no legal requirement for US citizens to speak English... but be prepared to be treated as inferior or second class if you don't.
Even by people who otherwise claim to care deeply about the civil rights and personal freedoms of the American citizen.
This is NOT the sort of thing we should be condoning. If being asked to respond to a yes/no question about YOUR legal status with a push button infuriates you, ask yourself why racial or ethnic profiling by our government or other citizens doesn't. Why are we excusing infringement of any citizen's rights?

[murdoc rose]

as if you could afford ammo there anyway.

[floydster]

If you shop at DICK"s that is what you will get:)

[MAKster]

So the same people who were cheering when Arizona enacted a law allowing police to ask anyone to prove their citizenship are now up in arms and saying their rights are being violated by Dicks.

[poco loco]

Good on you Texan Scott, from a Borderlands Zonie.....

Personally I am damn tired of only being pulled over by the BP when I have a brown friend in the truck with me....one in particular I am thinking of whose family had one of the original Spanish Land Grants....long before this country existed.....

But because he speaks spanish too, some here feel it is acceptable to denigrate him and his family? pure grade A bigotry.......

Real High Road there guys.....


put the Border Patrol on the border and get them the hell out of my neighborhood, driving like maniacs, trashing the desert with their ATVs and trucks....trash can be picked up, the desert takes centuries to heal from vehicular idiocy.....not to even mention the internal checkpoints, reminiscent of the Soviet style of governance.

And yes, Hispanics are white..... as if it mattered......unbefreakinlievable....

[poco loco]

and I will use my last comment on this site to say

JTHunter, you sir are a bigot.

Poco Loco signing off

[Neverwinter]

The interesting thing about England is that their census actually provides some breakdowns that we, here in the US, don't. It's public record there what race, age group etc is on the dole etc.
Here, even though "they" know what kind of car you drive and how many bathrooms you have via the census takers, very little useful data is made public for whatever reason.
Incorrect. The link is http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/ if you wish to educate yourself.

So the same people who were cheering when Arizona enacted a law allowing police to ask anyone to prove their citizenship are now up in arms and saying their rights are being violated by Dicks.
Discrimination is okay as long as you're not the one discriminated. How is this hard to understand?

[thump_rrr]

There is no legal requirement to be a US citizen to purchase ammunition.
The recent ruling made this abundantly clear.
As for myself coming from Canada which does not require a visa I am perfectly legal in purchasing ammunition.

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2012/06/07/2012-13762/firearms-disabilities-for-certain-nonimmigrant-aliens-2001r-332p

In 2002, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) published an interim final rule implementing the provision of the Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1999, relating to firearms disabilities for certain nonimmigrant aliens. That regulation implemented the law by prohibiting, with certain exceptions, the sale or disposition of firearms or ammunition to, and the possession, shipment, transportation, or receipt of firearms or ammunition by, nonimmigrant aliens.
The Department of Justice has now determined that the relevant statutory prohibitions on transfer and possession of firearms and ammunition apply only to nonimmigrant aliens who were admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, and that the prohibitions do not apply to nonimmigrant aliens who lawfully entered the United States without a visa. The Department is therefore issuing this rule to make conforming changes to the regulations, so that the regulations are consistent with the Department's current legal interpretation.
This final rule addresses only the nonimmigrant alien visa issue. The remaining issues raised by the 2002 interim final rule, and the public comments submitted with respect to those issues, will be addressed in a separate forthcoming rule.

"Upon review of the comments and in light of the OLC opinion, the Department is issuing a final rule that applies to the firearms disabilities in section 922(d)(5)(B) and 922(g)(5)(B) only to aliens admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)). Nonimmigrant aliens lawfully admitted to the United States without a visa, pursuant either to the Visa Waiver Program or other exemptions from visa requirements, will not be prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing firearms or ammunition, and the regulations will also no longer proscribe the sale or other disposition of firearms or ammunition to such nonimmigrant aliens"

[C5rider]

Say what you want. I go back to the time that a friend and I went to Dick's just to look around. We went to the ammo desk and asked how much for their 100 round packs of 40cal. He said $8. We said, "Are you SURE?"

He checked again with the scanner. Oddly, there wasn't a box of 40 cal ammo in THAT store for the rest of the day. :neener:

[gfanikf]

Say what you want. I go back to the time that a friend and I went to Dick's just to look around. We went to the ammo desk and asked how much for their 100 round packs of 40cal. He said $8. We said, "Are you SURE?"

He checked again with the scanner. Oddly, there wasn't a box of 40 cal ammo in THAT store for the rest of the day. :neener:
I was getting them for $5 bucks a box as part of some wolf ammo blowout. They kept wanting to see my id to make sure I wasn't from New Jersey each time. lol

[Mr Gunsmith]

Come down to Texas, y'all, and learn somethin'. About a quarter of my workforce speak Spanish as a first language, and maybe 10% speak almost no English. Every one of them is here legally - the vast majority are native-born Texans like me. It bothers me that they get viewed with suspicion or singled out for extra attention when exercising common liberties. It bothers me to know that law enforcement views them with suspicion I wouldn't get. It bothers me to hear certain sentiments expressed; it especially bothers me that the feds seem to be profiling here near the border and that chains like Dicks are so ready and willing to go along with extra-legal regulation to cover their own butts.

And you should be bothered by this. The same with the Polish immigrants in the upper Midwest & the Muslims in the Detroit area facing undue discrimination. But don't have blinders on to reality. The generalization was about 'Illegal Aliens' not legal immigrants or Hispanic-Americans born or naturalized. If you are of the opinion that all the Hispanics you encounter in South Texas are legal immigrants, brother, you are very much not paying attention. Like it or not, the job the feds are doing in South Texas is in fact necessary. In the eyes of many, myself included, they aren't doing enough to control the flow of illegals, note the use of the word 'ILLEGAL' there, who are abusing the loopholes in our gov't & profiting off our generosity.

This policy is nothing more than a large retail chain trying to exercise some CYA in light of the current anti-gun legislators in DC & states like Illinois, California, or New York. Don't make this an attack on Hispanics in Texas or elsewhere, legal or otherwise present here by questionable means.

I've always corrected people when I hear them speak of our rights then apply them to everybody that happens to have foot on American soil. The rights of Americans, native born & naturalized, are not guarantees to the rest of the world. Nor were they ever intended to be. That is the trap we often find ourselves in when we discuss what we perceive to be a violation of our rights.

[FROGO207]

Large corporations that sell goods to the public always have lawyers and therefore a lot of legal garbage that a person has to wade through. IMHO they did not get to be big by not covering their butts sadly. So whether or not I choose to shop there I first will have to decide if it is worth the aggravation. My decision will in a small part help them grow----or not. RKBA issues are best fought with our pocket books and education. Get the conversation going about the need to vote today---everyone we can get to vote pro RKBA this year helps us gain traction for the long haul and change the corporate thinking.

[JShirley]

Some of this thread is on topic. Much of it is about immigration, and how you feel about it. How you feel and act may indeed be important-

but your thoughts about immigration are not on topic here.

John