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TIMC
September 14, 2012, 06:20 PM
I now have my trust completed and now it is time to move on to the buying part of my quest for suppressors. Looking to buy 3 suppressors and would like advice on which 3 would best fit my use in the parameters listed below.

Parameters are:
A. Good quality but would like to keep the price in the $700-$900 range.
B. Needs to have ability to be taken apart and cleaned.
C. Best noise reduction,
D. Easiest to mount on different guns.

1. .30 caliber, this will be used mainly on AR's.
2. .556 also mainly used on AR's but also on bolt rifles and possibly a hand gun.
3. .45 caliber, I have 2 rifles in .45 acp but mainly used on handguns.

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Zak Smith
September 15, 2012, 01:01 AM
I would strongly recommend against a take-apart centerfire rifle suppressor.

For the .30 caliber suppressor, in that price range you are down a bit from the "best .30 cal suppressors on the market." However, the trade-off will most likely be a little more weight and maybe a little less suppression (depending on what model you choose).

The next thing to decide on #1 and #2 is if you want direct thread attach (cheapest) or some sort of mount (need additional mounts per gun). The thread standard for .30 caliber is 5/8-24.

For 5.56, the same question applies but the standard thread is 1/2-28.

If the .45 caliber suppressor will be used on a tilt-barrel handgun, it will need to either use a linear decoupler (aka booster) or have one integral.

hope this helps steer you in the right direction,
Zak

BLAKEinTX
September 15, 2012, 01:04 AM
1) YHM 762Ti or Liberty Freedom QA or Victory, Thompson Machine Thirty

2) YHM 556Ti, Liberty Torch Ti or Constitution, Huntertown Kestrel 556, Thompson Machine Sixteen

3) Thompson Machine QMFII or Liberty Miranda

A) cans range from 350-900 except Victory its like $1100 sorry but its a good can

B) on centerfire calibers you really dont need to clean them because of the higher pressures at the muzzle and jacketed bullets, you will have to clean them out of carbon YHM says every 2500-3500rds and to use 2:1 solution of ATF and mineral spirits, if you plan on shooting 22LR and/or lead bullets get a take apart or dont shoot it through that can lol

C) on centerfire rifle the normal reduction is 30-35dB but on SBRs and carbines itll be louder than a 24-26" bbl rifle, 45 is somewhat hard to suppress dry, unless its a large subgun volume or well engineered can, due to the large hole through the center

D) QD is nice but can get expensive thread on does the same thing but is slower and thread adapters are about $35-55 and wont give you that tacticool look if youre goin for that

what pistol you gonna put a 556 can on

TIMC
September 15, 2012, 11:25 PM
Thanks for the info guys!

I would strongly recommend against a take-apart centerfire rifle suppressor.

Ok since I am a total suppressor newb, please explain the reason for this?

A) cans range from 350-900 except Victory its like $1100 sorry but its a good can

Not locked into the $700-$900 range but it would be nice, I will go higher for quality if needed.

what pistol you gonna put a 556 can on

I have a Walther P-22 but to use a 556 can it would be pretty front heavy and I would not be able to see the sights, I don't know if I could get an adaptor for it. I am just trying to think how to cut down cost of extra suppressors but I don't really know if that will work out. I think it may just be easier to get a cheap can for the Walther.

Zak Smith
September 15, 2012, 11:29 PM
There is no good reason to have it, and for the same weight/size, the take-apart one will be weaker and there is the possibility of additional problems due to clearances & tolerances.

TIMC
September 15, 2012, 11:33 PM
Thanks, I'm learning slowly but surely!

a-sheepdog
September 15, 2012, 11:39 PM
For a 45 can, I would go with the AAC Ti-Rant. I know first hand that they are nice.

mtrmn
September 16, 2012, 02:40 PM
I have no first hand knowledge of the 45 suppressor, but I can handle the first 2 and save you some money/PITA.
Get a YHM 7.62 Titanium and just buy adapters for every gun you intend to use it on--5.56 included. Between all the members of my family authorized to use my ONE YHM suppressor, we use it on 9 different AR's. 2 of them are 308's. It does a super job of suppressing 223 regardless of being over-bored. 223 is actually quieter than 308 when firing full-power loads. And subsonic sounds like a BB gun. The QD makes it easy to change from gun to gun, and there's no wear/tear on your actual barrel threads. Lightweight and tough. Adapters can be found on the net for about $60.

Crash_Test_Dhimmi
September 17, 2012, 09:14 PM
I've had farts louder than my 45 osprey...I don't know, maybe I should see a doctor?

a-sheepdog
September 23, 2012, 09:35 PM
Hey Crash Test, you may want to be careful what you eat. I have heard nothing but positive reviews about the Osprey and it is also built so that it does not block the front sight.

RhinoDefense
September 23, 2012, 10:02 PM
User serviceable suppressors are nice for the shooters that want to shoot cast bullets and use suppressors too. The muzzle pressure of cast bullet ammunition is much lower than jacketed bullet ammunition in rifles.

RyeDaddy
September 23, 2012, 11:26 PM
Thanks for the info guys!



Ok since I am a total suppressor newb, please explain the reason for this?



Not locked into the $700-$900 range but it would be nice, I will go higher for quality if needed.



I have a Walther P-22 but to use a 556 can it would be pretty front heavy and I would not be able to see the sights, I don't know if I could get an adaptor for it. I am just trying to think how to cut down cost of extra suppressors but I don't really know if that will work out. I think it may just be easier to get a cheap can for the Walther.
The fact that Zak said so is enough for me on most things suppressor related. He's perhaps too modest to mention Thunder Beast suppressors, but if precision is important to you I would highly recommend checking out the 30P-1 for a 30 cal rifle. Quiet, light and maintains accuracy of the rifle. Some users report their rifles are more accurate withtheir can installed than without. Give them a look, find a dealer that carries them and get a price quote. I've fired 308's with the 30P-1 and it's fantastic. Worth the price of admission. If your goal for a 308 can is too use it in rapid fire drills till the barrel glows there are better choices than titanium suppressors but the weight savings is worth the trade off in price.

If the Thunder Beast is out of your price range you should give the SAS Arbiter a look. Stainless steel and titanium versions are available, very quiet and accurate with multiple mounting options.

TIMC
September 25, 2012, 10:01 PM
Thunderbeast is not out of my price range, I'm seriously considering it. Money is realy not the object I just don't want to spend what I don't have to.

Right now it is looking like the thunderbeast for the .30 cal.
Osprey for the .45
Still up in the air for the .556 can and still looking for suggestions.

NFA trust was cleared by my banks legal department so all is finished and the bank account for the trust is loaded up and ready to start spending.

pmj341
October 4, 2012, 07:01 AM
I've noticed no one has mentioned Gemtech
Can somebody that has one please voice your opinions.
Thanks:confused:

Captains1911
October 4, 2012, 02:05 PM
I've noticed no one has mentioned Gemtech
Can somebody that has one please voice your opinions.
Thanks:confused:
Because there are better options out there for the money. For the record, I own an OBII.

Captains1911
October 4, 2012, 02:08 PM
You should really consider a Rimfire suppressor, especially if you plan to own multiple cans. Most people start with a rimfire can, and enjoy them the most as they are by far the quietest. Also, for the people recomending YHM Ti cans, just understand that they are currently running about 6 months behind on orders, so unless your dealer already has one in stock, expect a loooong wait prior to the Form 4 wait.

pmj341
October 5, 2012, 01:21 PM
Thanks
I live in a small town, Gunshops are hard to find.
So our choices are somewhat limited.

GoingQuiet
October 5, 2012, 04:10 PM
I've noticed no one has mentioned Gemtech
Can somebody that has one please voice your opinions.
Thanks:confused:
GT does a fine job, I sell a lot of their product. However other manufacturers are offering features that GT products do not have.

They do great work though!

Thanks
I live in a small town, Gunshops are hard to find.
So our choices are somewhat limited.

What does small town have to do with anything? Any FFL/SOT in the state can do a transaction by mail.

pmj341
October 5, 2012, 05:28 PM
GT does a fine job, I sell a lot of their product. However other manufacturers are offering features that GT products do not have.

They do great work though!



What does small town have to do with anything? Any FFL/SOT in the state can do a transaction by mail.
I guess I want to see and touch what I'm buying
Once I find what I want then I can order it.

Derek Zeanah
October 5, 2012, 05:36 PM
I've watched some excellent shooters score first-round hits on targets more than 1 kilometer distant with Thunderbeast suppressors. That's the way I'm going once I get up off my butt and get up a checking account for my trust...

Stringer99
October 5, 2012, 06:56 PM
why would you need a checking account for a trust? i thought you could just get any old money order, and put the trust info in the "from" section.

TheLostOtter
October 5, 2012, 07:40 PM
why would you need a checking account for a trust? i thought you could just get any old money order, and put the trust info in the "from" section.
My trust specifically states to use a bank account in the trust's name to pay for the NFA item when using a Form 4. I'm guessing it is just to make it very clear that the trust is the entity that purchased the item, not an individual.

Derek Zeanah
October 5, 2012, 09:50 PM
My trust specifically states to use a bank account in the trust's name to pay for the NFA item when using a Form 4. I'm guessing it is just to make it very clear that the trust is the entity that purchased the item, not an individual.
Exactly. If I'm going to go to the effort and expense to set up a trust, I'm crossing all my T's and dotting all my I's.

boricua9mm
October 6, 2012, 12:17 AM
My trust specifically states to use a bank account in the trust's name to pay for the NFA item when using a Form 4. I'm guessing it is just to make it very clear that the trust is the entity that purchased the item, not an individual.

Unless your state's laws dictate that the funds must specifically come from an account named in the Trust, why would you do that?

I have a Trust here in FL, which deliberately states that any member of the Trust may add property to it. Therefore, if an NFA tax is paid for by a personal check or USPS (trackable) Money Order by any individual member of the Trust, we are all good to go upon approval. Why pigeon-hole yourself if you don't have to? Hopefully, if you are doing so, is it because of the specific Trust laws in your individual state....?
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On the subject of the cans themselves, I say if you are dead set on suppressing rifle calibers, then buy a 7.62 can. If you want to suppress a pistol, either buy a .45 can or a 9mm can, but buy one that is user-serviceable. For me, I shoot a ton of 9mm in various platforms so the SWR Octane made the most sense. I can also use it on my .22LR pistol, although it gets a good amount of lead buildup in short order.

If I were you I'd spring for an AAC 7.62 SDN-6 and either an AAC Ti-Rant45 or an SWR Octane 9 HD. I shoot more 9mm and subsonic 9mm is quieter and still cheaper than .45, so for me it's a no-brainer. Hey....2 cans instead of 3...I'm saving you money! :D

TheLostOtter
October 6, 2012, 12:54 AM
Unless your state's laws dictate that the funds must specifically come from an account named in the Trust, why would you do that?

I have a Trust here in FL, which deliberately states that any member of the Trust may add property to it. Therefore, if an NFA tax is paid for by a personal check or USPS (trackable) Money Order by any individual member of the Trust, we are all good to go upon approval. Why pigeon-hole yourself if you don't have to? Hopefully, if you are doing so, is it because of the specific Trust laws in your individual state....?
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On the subject of the cans themselves, I say if you are dead set on suppressing rifle calibers, then buy a 7.62 can. If you want to suppress a pistol, either buy a .45 can or a 9mm can, but buy one that is user-serviceable. For me, I shoot a ton of 9mm in various platforms so the SWR Octane made the most sense. I can also use it on my .22LR pistol, although it gets a good amount of lead buildup in short order.

If I were you I'd spring for an AAC 7.62 SDN-6 and either an AAC Ti-Rant45 or an SWR Octane 9 HD. I shoot more 9mm and subsonic 9mm is quieter and still cheaper than .45, so for me it's a no-brainer. Hey....2 cans instead of 3...I'm saving you money! :D
I was talking about paying for the actual NFA item, not the tax. I don't think it matters for the tax since the tax itself isn't the restricted item. Purchasing the item in the trust's name makes it easier to prove the transfer went from the dealer to the trust, not from the dealer to the individual then to the trust.

I really doubt it would ever cause an issue. However creating a bank account is pretty easy so it would be worth it to me to potentially avoid a hassle later on.

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