[twoblink]

Because low quality B movies are only $1 to BUY by my house, I've been watching one a night...

One of the movies, starring Kim Cattrall (of sex and the city fame) called "Running Delilah".. It's basically like Bionic Woman, the mob tries to kill her, she's "dead" but gets revived and given bionic body parts.. Anyway.. (Spoiler for a movie you'll never watch and I wouldn't recommend you go near with a ten foot pole)

She at the end shoots down a private jet that has taken off with a Steyr AUG... mind you the plane is in the air already...

How easily "downable" is a plane with a rifle? What caliber(s) do AUG's come in?

I didn't think you'd have a chance shooting down a plane (maybe punching a hole in the fuel tank at best)...

[Jonesy9]

no wonder my local is selling one in .223 for $3200!!

[Mulliga]

Stupid movie, stupid stunt. :)

Seriously, if you can shoot down a modern airplane in flight with a 5.56 bullpup rifle, you are probably the best rifle shot on Earth.

I don't know much about planes, but at 100 yards, the 5.56 doesn't even have enough steam left to take down a deer (not even 900 ft-lbs of energy for the average bullet).

If I had to do it, I'd shoot at the cockpit - who knows? Maybe some glass will spall and get in the pilots' eyes :).

[ceetee]

What kind of plane was it? How many engines? If it was a single-piston-engine type, then a couple of rounds through the block would do it no good.

For a jet, the shots would have to be just right to make one quit working. It's do-able... possibly. If Kim had just the right aim...

[Brian Williams]

The AUGly is a .223 and if the plane is just taking off, a little lead, aiming ahead of the plane and plenty of AP rounds thru the oil pan or into the wing tanks.

[JamisJockey]

The engines on most smaller aircraft are pretty fragile, especially private jets. A golden BB could in theory do the trick, but it'd take alot of luck.

[M2 Carbine]

It takes very little to disable a turbine engine.
I've had a number of them fail me all on their own.:)

This compressor blew out on me and that small hole should have killed the engine but it ran long enough to get me to the beach.

A .223 will go through a 1/4 inch mild steel plate.
It will easily go through anything on that engine.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/p98b26bc40eca0d356aa6b83f3102b8b0/fbd7f07e.jpg

[Zundfolge]

I still doubt you're going to take down an airplane with an AUG.

Maybe you could pull it off with an M249 with the box full of AP ammo and the ROF set on high .... but then you'd have to hit it on the rise and keep the stream of bullets on it for a bit.


Kim Cattrall? Isn't she one of those Hollyweird whores who pubicly fantasized about sex with Bill Clinton?

[twoblink]

She has a "bionic eye".. (in the movie) and so it might be possible..

But the plane was way in the air already, probably 500+ yards.. With a .223.. upwards at a moving object...

It was one of those private jets... I'm still fairly doubtful...

[M2 Carbine]

500 yards is a stretch with a 223.

There's still a lot of things it could destroy that would bring the plane down but you have to hit them first.

Just a couple bullets in the turbine intake would do about as much damage as anything.

I lost the compressor from sucking in a little nut not much bigger than a 223 bullet.

[Shaughn Leayme]

It has always been a "thing" to do when a jet fighter is screaming your way with a load of ordnance addressed to "whom it may concern" and that is put up as much fire as you can since bullets and jet engines do not go together.

Sure it is playing the odds, but when you don't have any other means of knocking the plane down, playing the odds may be your only option...beats being a crispy critter.

Planes can be rather fragile, much like helicopters and a "for the hell of it" act or shot can have unforseen results.

Better than sitting there, waiting to get your ticket punched:D

[Justin]

Waitasec.

You know what the real problem with this movie is?



There's no such thing as cybernetically enhanced assasins in real life.

I mean, like, duh. :neener:

[Hkmp5sd]

Steyr AUG can shoot down a plane?
And why not? I just saw Steven Segal shoot down a helicopter in Exit Wounds using a .45 ACP. :)

Good thing Teddy is trying to ban those AP rounds.:rolleyes:

[Scarface]

Hi twoblink,

We used to call a lucky shot the "Golden BB". It only takes one in the turbine.

The first time I was shot down, there was only one hole through the engine cowl from an AK 47.

Be Well,

Scarface

[c_yeager]

Well, since she is "bionic" one would assume that she could aim a rifle with adequate precision to place a round just about anywhere she wanted to at 500 yards. And with a high ROF weapon like the aug thats a lot of lead. At 500 yards .223 likely has plenty of energy to disable a turbine especially if there are a lot of them plopping into the intake one after the other. Its the AIMING part thats tricky.

[Sunray]

"...The first time I was shot down..." Scarface, out of the idlest of curiosity, what were you flying? I'm guessing it was during the SEA war. If you chose not to respond, I get it. Huey?
Twoblink. Movies don't count. Reality takes a holiday in movies. This, of course, is the biggest problem facing shooters. Most people don't ever see a firearm except on TV or in movies. Cops too. That's why our sport is being persecuted. A politician sees something happen in a movie and he thinks it's real. Like every vehicle will explode just because it rolls down a hill. Or any semi-automatic rifle can be instantly made into a FA by just dropping in parts.
Oh and a Steyr AUG is .223 only, but it can be easily changed for left handed shooting. It's also considered evil by your government.

[twoblink]

Reality takes a vacation in movies? Are you sure? You mean, a .45ACP won't make a truck explode about 200 yards away?:D

[Cacique500]

I guess if you hit the pilot that would do it...

The Red Baron was shot down at something like 700 yards with a single hit to the chest area.

"Kaput"

[sendec]

I thought there really was a "Rule of Thumb:" If the aircraft was larger than your thumb you could engage with small arms.

KC was a babe - I have never seen "Sex in the City" but back in the 80s she should could induce alterations in my physical state. Her finest opus was no doubt the epic "Big Trouble in Little China," more notable for knife play than gun fire.

[M2 Carbine]

Hkmp5sd

I haven't seen Exit Wounds so I don't know if it was one of those Hollywood 200 yard pistol shots at a flying helicopter.

This is a Bell 407, one of the last choppers I flew.
At this distance, if you could hit it, a 45 will easily down down this bird.
Even a near miss of the the engine and cutting a fuel, governor or fuel control line will bring it down.
Then there's the flight controls.
The 407 even has a computer above the back seat, that if hit will disable the aircraft.
Then there's the biggest single target, the pilot.


Like Scarface said,
"The first time I was shot down, there was only one hole through the engine cowl from an AK 47."

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/pbd8d48b3475c1cad472c99323cd7c2d2/fa87b4fc.jpg

[artherd]

Sure, if you're damn lucky.

500 is getting outside the effective range for .223 to reliably stop humans, but it will still go through sheet metal and fuel lines at that. And it just has to kind of 'plop' into a turbine to turn into a real mess.

[Beav]

The AUG can do it because its so EVIL! It can probably sink oil tankers too..EVIL!

[M2 Carbine]

Ya, that will be in "Running Delilah 2".:)


The only thing evil about the AUG is it's price tag.:D

[2nd Amendment]

Well, it's already been hashed to death including my point, but I don't think it's a matter of "if", it's a matter of odds. Drop one of those little .223 suckers into a a turbine and you win the booby prize. You could do the same with a rock if you've got a good enough arm(she's bionic, right?) so it's really not a question of caliber or velocity or even skill. Just pure, unadulterated luck: Yours is good, the pilot's really sucks.

[Dionysusigma]

Only airplane I'v ever shot down was going about 5 fps, made of paper, and my hardware was a paperclip propelled by a rubber band.

Darn proud of that shot, too.:rolleyes: :cool:

[kernal_panic]

Seriously, if you can shoot down a modern airplane in flight with a 5.56 bullpup rifle, you are probably the best rifle shot on Earth.

dude have you seen the deer in your area? if they are 2x the size of the ones in south florida they are very killable with .223

[Skunkabilly]

Funny because the reverse is true in video games. No amount of ammunition, even 7.62x51, will do an APC or helicopter. You have to get a power-up or an RPG-7.

[Scarface]

Hi Sunray,

You got it, SEA. My squadron flew G model Cobras. One engine. When it was gone we walked (ran). The incident, in this case, was pulling up after a gun run. That put us closer to the ground than any other instance and in a position where speed bled off rapidly. Bad luck on my part, or maybe I slept thought the dodging and weaving class.

Be Well,

Scarface

[fmjcafe]

Of course a Steyr AUG can down a plane, silly! Don`t you know that the Murrah federal building was shot to pieces by NRA members wielding assault rifles?

[Don Gwinn]

1. That ain't nothin', 007 once shot down a helicopter with an AR-7.

2. Kernal-Panic, I've never seen Florida deer, but .223 would be considered marginal if not inadequate in Illinois (but then, we feed them corn and beans here.) My biggest buck was 180 lbs. field dressed, but Grandpa's got one mounted that was quite a bit bigger than that.

3. Ever see the movie Showtime? Don't. It's a little funny, but not really. The idea is that De Niro is this tough, realistic street detective in LA and Eddie Murphy is a patrolman who really wants to be an actor. De Niro and Murphy get paired up in a Reality-Buddy-Cop show directed by William Shatner. :scrutiny:
I thought it would be the usual chestnut where De Niro taught Murphy real polie work and Murphy taught him to lighten up, but I was wrong. De Niro taught him nothing and the unreality abounded. The conflict was that drug dealers were using a new type of gun, a "twelve gauge depleted uranium armor piercing slug" firing submachine gun about the size of three toasters duct-taped together (looked like similar ergonomics, too.) These were used to demolish a house by shooting through it. With a twelve-gauge out of a six-inch barrel. :scrutiny:
The end took place at a big gun show where the LAPD's firearm expert (who had secretly developed the uber-gun and arranged to sell it to a goofy drug dealer was making his sale under cover of his business, "Fred's Flintlocks" as the Ballad of the Green Berets played in the background. :rolleyes:
The only funny thing at the gunshow was the two uniformed mail carriers checking out squad machine guns. . . . .

[Orange Rhesus Monkey]

Also when Rene Russo (I think) went on the intercom and said that they were looking for two men who are armed and dangerous and everyone starts cheering was funny.