Best .22 cal rifle


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CTGunner
September 15, 2012, 08:02 PM
What's the best all around .22 caliber rifle? I don't have any rifles and I would like to pick up a 'handy' .22 for practice and general utility. I also want to keep the cost under $400 if possible.

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ColtPythonElite
September 15, 2012, 08:04 PM
If you want the best accuracy 400 bucks will buy, a CZ bolt action is tough to beat.

Naybor
September 15, 2012, 08:37 PM
I hate to sound like a broken record, but you just can't beat a Marlin Model 60. I got one when they first came out and it's still going strong.

The original held 17 rounds in it's tubular magazine, but I think it's down to 14 or so now. Semi Automatic, micro-groove rifling, reliable, not bad looking....... And, for $400 you should be able to get two of them with money left over for a couple boxes of shells.

CTGunner
September 15, 2012, 08:42 PM
Both interesting suggestions.

SaxonPig
September 15, 2012, 08:43 PM
There is no "best" gun. Too many variables, individual preferences, and situations to pick one all around best gun.

Buy quality and you seldom go wrong.

walker944
September 15, 2012, 08:44 PM
I agree with Naybor about the Marlin model 60. I picked another one up just today for my wife. It was in like new condition...paid $100 for it from a local seller. So, you may actually be able to get FOUR of them for your $400!!! LOL

sgtstryker
September 15, 2012, 08:54 PM
I'll go ahead and throw the 1022 into the mix. Can't beat the price, durability and shootability. Just a good .22 rifle. But I do like the Remington 552, if you can find one at a good price, it's nice also..but everyone has their duthers.

tsudduth
September 15, 2012, 09:05 PM
I bought my grandson a marlin model 60 last year. Its a nice gun and he loves shooting it the silhouette range. Brand new it was under $200.

I put a red dot scope on it. He can plink all day withit and it is very accurate.

tsudduth
September 15, 2012, 09:15 PM
I bought my grandson a marlin model 60 last year. Its a nice gun and he loves shooting it the silhouette range. Brand new it was under $200.

I put a red dot scope on it. He can plink all day withit and it is very accurate.

Presto
September 15, 2012, 09:54 PM
If you don't mind a bolt action, a Savage Mark II is a great shooter for very little money. You should be able to get the rifle, a nice scope and a brick of shells for your $400.

I have never seen one that wouldn't shoot circles around most of the auto rifles on the market.

back40
September 15, 2012, 10:17 PM
with that budget, i would look real hard at the cz455 lux. they are fantastic quality, known for superb accuracy, and with the irons, would do well as a general purpose .22.

for less money, take your pick. just about any .22 will serve as a handy general purpose gun and will teach you plenty about being a rifleman.

Sako Shooter
September 15, 2012, 10:18 PM
I would get a CZ 452 Trainer. Great open sights, can be scoped, super accurate, and within your budget.

Reloadron
September 15, 2012, 10:23 PM
Per SaxonPig there is no best .22 caliber rifle. Go buy what fits you and works for you. Oh wait, go to a gun show and buy a Remington 511P, that is the best .22 rifle. That or a Marlin as mentioned or maybe a Ruger 10/22. How can anyone here possibly know what is "best" as it pertains to you?

Just My Take
Ron

BCRider
September 15, 2012, 11:19 PM
Without knowing more about what is important to you in terms of how you think you'd like to shoot it's impossible to suggest much of anything. What we enjoy you might find to be extremely boring within moments of picking it up.

For myself though I find that a big part of rifle plinking is my interacting with the gun. So for me lever, pump, bolt and single shot options are the way I like to go. And the accent is on the pump, lever and single shot options over even bolt action rifles.

If you want something that is decently accurate to shoot free style and that is great fun then a lever Henry is one option. Another is the out of production pump guns such as the Rossi 62 and Remington Model 12. I've got one of each and they quickly won my heart.

On the other hand if you fancy yourself a bench rest and scope sort of accuracy shooter then I second the suggestions for Savage and CZ with a suitable scope. Both are excellent brands which deliver lots of performance for the dollar.

benzy2
September 15, 2012, 11:45 PM
One question with many answers. Here is my outlook.

Starting with bolt action rifles:

In the budget line you have a few nice contenders. Marlin just updated their bolt action line to the new XT line. Looks about the same and I would expect similar performance. Shoot well, compact, and handy rifles. Magazines feel cheap and hopefully the trigger is better than the old T900 trigger (which was horrible). It competes price wise with the base model Savage Mk II. This is another accurate, light, handy rifle for very little money. I believe Mossberg makes a budget bolt rifle too, but I haven't heard much about it and with the others in the class doing so well it's hard to take the chance.

If you step up in price point, to say the $200-$400 range you get yourself into some quite nice bolt rifles. The go to choice for many is the CZ line. They are one of my favorite for the price. I've owned 5 different CZ firearms from rimfire rifles to centerfire rifles to centerfire pistols, all being firearms I've enjoyed. You also get into some of the fancier optioned Savage models. I'm not sure on average if CZ out shoots Savage or not, but having both I enjoy the CZ's a little more when using them. I'm perfectly happy shooting the Savage and have no desire to sell it either. At this price range you also add in Ruger and their 77/22. This is a fine rifle with a beefy action. Older models weren't known to always be the most accurate rifle out of the box but they seem to shoot pretty well today and respond well to aftermarket work.

The used market is loaded with $400 rifles. You can occasionally find a used Anschutz 64 action at $400 which would be a fantastic rifle. You can find many Remington models in that price range. The 504 was a quality rifle with a few bad barrels that ruined the name. Some have been rebarreled and some decent from the factory. They would be a setup I'd take a gamble on. Then there are the older 513, 540, 541, etc lines that all shot darn good and were crafted very well. Some of the old Savage models were built well too. You can find old BRNO rifles in this price range which are similar to the CZ line. Great values. Some of the older Mossberg rifles were very well built as well. Winchester made many high quality rimfires as well. The used market may hold the best deals going to be honest. Many of those older rifles shot great and were built with a level of craftsmanship that can't be found on most of today's market, especially at $400.

The semi-auto market is flush full of good options too. The two big names are the 10-22 and the Marlin Model 60. Both are tried and true and have stood the test of time. The 10-22 can be more easily upgraded by the home user and the Model 60 is a rifle that asks for no upgrades. Remington has the 597 line in which most users seem to really enjoy them also. While the box mag of the Ruger is a very good system I feel it makes the rifle too wide. I like the slimmer lines of some of the other systems. Marlin makes a mag fed version of the Model 60 called the 795 which also has a good following, especially among those that attend Appleseed shoots. CZ has brought back and "updated" version of their semi-auto, now labeled a model 512. The old model 511 is my most desired auto-loader though the new 512 does not do quite as much for me. Thompson Center has discontinued their semi-auto rimfire line though they were known to shoot very well and be reliable. If one came by at a decent price I'd have it in my collection.

Then there are the lever action rifles. The 39A is the gold standard in this segment. You will be pushing the upper range of your price limit but they are well worth the cost. The Browning BL-22 is another quality lever gun. Henry makes a nice shooter. Not as well built or with the quality materials of the Browning or Marlin, but quite a bit less cost as well. I do believe Mossberg is making a rimfire lever rifle too but I have not experience with them.

There is also two classes of trainer rifles, one being the more recent semi-auto battle rifle clones and the other being the old Russian military trainer bolt rifles. The Russian imports are typically well built with a few quirks here and there. Great rifles to learn and build shooting skills with but not the most compatible with many non-Russian current production parts (sights, mounts, etc). There are semi-auto AR, AK, MP5, Sig 552, SCAR, and eventually STG-44 clones out there (may be forgetting some like MAC 11 and some others too). These typically have similar control layout and are a ton of fun. Most aren't overly accurate and are more about fast shooting plinking or up close speed drills than trying to shoot bug holes at 50 yards. I have a couple of S&W M&P 15's and they are a blast. If I had to pick the most fun rifles to shoot they are at the top.

In the end, most of today's current production firearms are decent to great. A very few are bad all around but the big names are all in tough competition and are putting out quality firearms. More money spent often buys more features and a slight increase in accuracy. The budget models should end up being good shooters and would be all that was needed to learn the fundamentals and beyond. The more expensive models add bells and whistles that makes use and ownership more enjoyable. The use market, especially from the 50's and 60's is full of well built, good shooting rifles at a bargain price. If you find an interest in any specific category you can narrow your search down. I'd head to the nearest large gun shop with a variety of new and used rifles, shoulder a few, and see what calls to you. That is probably going to be a bigger difference than anything else.

skywalkrNCSU
September 16, 2012, 12:08 AM
One I don't see mentioned often is the Nylon 66. My dad has one and that is one sweet shooting rifle. I really like my Marlin 60 too. I think I paid $75 for it a few years ago, definitely a good buy.

WoodchuckAssassin
September 16, 2012, 12:32 AM
It's all what you make of it. What works for one, won't work for another. Personally, I have a hard time beating the Ruger 10/22. It shoulders quick, manuvers well in brush, and accurate to a fault. I also like the Ithaca Single Shot .22 Saddlegun (I think it's a model 79). It's CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and if you can find one, buy it. One of my favorite childhood memories is my father and I walking through the woods, seeing an "apple drunk" partridge 20 yards away, and my father blowing its head off with the open sights of an ithaca saddle gun.

For your own personal .22, pick a brand you respect, see how it feels, and act accordingly. Best of luck to you. Happy hunting!

MrDig
September 16, 2012, 12:37 AM
I would second the Marlin Model 60. add a scope with peep through scope mounts and a bucket of 22 lr you would have lots of fun and the accuracy on them is outstanding. Every Marlin 22 I ever shot was a tack driver, the cost vs performance is exceptional.

ArchAngelCD
September 16, 2012, 05:49 AM
I have an older Marlin model 25 bolt action .22 that's a great shooter.

Savage is making great rifles right now that include the AccuTrigger. Their Mark II rifles are great and run from a basic model (Mark II F or G series) up to a heavy barrel target model. (Mark II B series) I have 2 Mark II Savage rifles and I would not sell either. (or the Marlin for that matter)

Cee Zee
September 16, 2012, 06:03 AM
"Best" can mean a lot of things. For what you describe (practical and general utility) it's hard to beat a Marlin 60 but that's because it is a semi-auto which will do things a bolt action rifle can't. For what you mention I would get a 60 because it will perform about any duty you want it to do and it will be cheap to buy compared to other rifles.

I think Ruger 10/22's are ok but straight out of the box the Marlins are better pretty much every time. I've done many side by side comparisons of brand new 60's vs. brand new 10/22's. The Marlins won every time. They were considerably more accurate and they were less likely to jam. But neither is a bad rifle. If you want to build your rifle into a tack driving semi-auto then by all means get the Ruger. For a general purpose rifle by all means get the Marlin.

If you want the very best rifle you can get for $400 I'd get a Savage MkII BV or a BTV. I have a BTV and I have a CZ 453. The Savage is more accurate but they are very close. Which one will be more accurate is a matter of which rifle happened to be made on a better run. They are very close. The CZ is certainly a better looking rifle and more durable. In fact they are a lot better looking. Both rifles are excellent choices though. A 452 American isn't much over $400 or it wasn't when I last looked. Personally I like the 453 because the trigger is much, much better. Yes people can make stock 452 triggers better but they can't make them as good as a 453 trigger or at least I've never seen one that was as good.

Just don't let anyone talk you into an AR type .22. They aren't nearly as accurate, reliable or durable as Marlins, Rugers, Savages or CZ's. What they are is expensive for what you get. They don't help you practice to use a real AR either. They are fun guns basically. There's nothing wrong with wanting a fun gun but that isn't what you said you wanted.

When I was in your position and wanted one gun to do all the jobs a .22 should do without spending a fortune I bought a Marlin 60. I've shot it many thousands of rounds. Hundreds of thousands of rounds actually. For at least 15 years it was the only .22 I used for anything. I had another .22 but dad gave it to me and I didn't want to tear it up. The 60 still works after about 24 years. It's still accurate and it still accepts about any ammo I want to feed it. They are the epitome of the "practical and general utility" rifle IMO. And you can get one for a lot less than $400. I see them for about $170 at Walmart or you can get a stainless version for about another $100. Stainless is nice of course but a blued version isn't likely to rust for a very long time.

Other good choices would be the Marlin XT series. They have a new trigger design that is much better than their old triggers. Henry makes fine rifles. Remington does too. Mossberg makes some decent rifles. But the Marlin 60 is the most popular .22 of all time for a reason. That reason is it's the "practical and general utility" rifle of choice for 50 years plus. I'm serious. That's the exact reason they are so popular.

mgkdrgn
September 16, 2012, 08:22 AM
I hate to sound like a broken record, but you just can't beat a Marlin Model 60. I got one when they first came out and it's still going strong.

The original held 17 rounds in it's tubular magazine, but I think it's down to 14 or so now. Semi Automatic, micro-groove rifling, reliable, not bad looking....... And, for $400 you should be able to get two of them with money left over for a couple boxes of shells.
+1 on the 60. Light, in-expensive, accurate, tube fed so no mags to loose/buy.

T.R.
September 16, 2012, 08:25 AM
Nothing more boring than a bolt action 22 rifle. Plan to buy a Henry and you'll have much fun. They're amazingly accurate, too!

TR

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/Henry22.jpg

Sav .250
September 16, 2012, 08:57 AM
Very objectve to say the least. You`d have to include old along with new.

ACP
September 16, 2012, 09:13 AM
Savage Mk II BV or CZ; I have a CZ 453 with the varmint barrel.

I've had Ruger 10/22s, Marlin 39A's, etc. -- they cannot hold a candle to the accuracy of the Savages and the CZs.

jad0110
September 16, 2012, 09:13 AM
I agree with Naybor about the Marlin model 60. I picked another one up just today for my wife. It was in like new condition...paid $100 for it from a local seller. So, you may actually be able to get FOUR of them for your $400!!! LOL

Or 6 Model 60s in my case. Found mine in a pawn shop a few years ago for $65. Bought a $75 one at the same time for my father. Pawn shop Marlin and Glenfield Model 60s are an excellent value, as you can often find them for about a C Note.

That said, I do love my CZ-452 (sporting an M1907 style sling) and H&R Reising Model 65 as well, and I'd like pick up a Henry lever or Marlin 39 at some point in addition to getting an upper for my AR. Did I mention I love .22 rifles?

srtolly
September 16, 2012, 09:32 AM
My choice was a Stevens model 987. Very accurate with open sights or a scope, tube fed 15 round semi auto. $100 in most cases can't be.a bad thing.

mberoose
September 16, 2012, 09:33 AM
There's a Savage MKII TR boltie w/ scope & bi-pod on the local forums for $400 right now. Betcha he'd take $350. A stainless 10/22 popped up this morning for $225 too.

mac66
September 16, 2012, 10:51 AM
Best as in most accurate? Best as in most versatile? Best as in most accessories and aftermarket stuff? Best as in best bang for the buck? Best as in best quality?

The Marlin 60 is the most popular commercial rifle ever made primarily because it is the cheapest, most mass produced and mass marketed (commercial) rifle ever for the last 60 years. (and only the AK47 beats it overall)

The Ruger 10/22 is the second most popular ever and has been beating the 60 in sales in recent years because it has a reliable flush fitting, detachable magazine and has a much larger accessory aftermarket. Because of the aftermarket it is the most versatile rifle on the market and can be easily make into anything you want it to be.

I have dozens of 22 rifles, high and low end of all kinds of makes, models and types. The one I most always use for everything is a 10/22.

SpentCasing
September 16, 2012, 11:32 AM
Another +1 for the Savage MkII

Mines a great shooter and I have under $400 in it for rifle, EGW mount and glass.

musicman10_1
September 16, 2012, 09:06 PM
My best 22 rifle is also my oldest: Remington 582 bolt action tube feed rifle. It came from an old feed store in the early 70s and I've had it since I was about 7 years old. It has been hell on squirrels, rabbits, coons, and most recently shoot-n-see targets at the range. It seems to get better with age.

mshootnit
September 16, 2012, 09:15 PM
I am going to try the FV-SR. I have a rug lvt which is pretty nice proly the best ruger I could have gotten out of the box.
I would also like to try a 795 with tech sights

Mike J
September 16, 2012, 09:24 PM
I don't have any idea what the best .22 is. I do have a couple of Marlin model 60's I like a lot.

Upstater
September 16, 2012, 09:37 PM
As I have never owned a marlin 60 I can not speak to them, BUT having owned many 10/22s I must say I really can't say enough about them in accuracy and craftsmanship they are hard to beat. YMMV:)

Cee Zee
September 17, 2012, 12:36 AM
I've had Ruger 10/22s, Marlin 39A's, etc. -- they cannot hold a candle to the accuracy of the Savages and the CZs.

I wouldn't disagree with a word of that. The only thing that makes the Marlin a viable choice is the fact it's a semi-auto and bolt action rifles can't do some things that a semi-auto can. If you find that you need to shoot several feral dogs running in a pack on your property trust me you're going to wish you had a semi-auto instead of a bolt action. Whether that's important to the OP or not is another question. He'll need to answer that for himself. But absolutely those rifles you named are very accurate.

BTW Rugers have not outsold Marlins in recent years. As always Marlin sells more .22's than anyone. And another thing no one mentions is that there are several different designs that are all called 10/22's. There is one design of a 60 with some differences like stocks and blue vs. stainless. The Rugers have different lengths etc. and they're all called 10/22's so really they are selling several different rifles under that name. There's the Carbine, the Target, the Sporter, the Tactical, the Compact, and the Takedown. Those rifles all have different features that matter a good bit beyond just stocks. Marlin sells just one style of rifle called the 60 and it still sells more than Ruger sells.

I don't know where people get the information that Ruger is selling more rifles. I know where I got my information. It came from a Marlin rep in a magazine article where he stated categorically that Marlin still sells more 60's than Ruger sells 10/22's. Plus Marlin sells a lot of other very popular .22's like the 795, the 925, the 39A, and the whole new line of XT rifles that have a new trigger that is a big improvement and much better than anything Ruger sells. Ruger does sell other .22's. They just don't sell a lot of them. Marlin sells a whole lot of other .22's. Marlin is far and away the leader in sales of .22's of all kinds and the leader in sales of the semi-auto 60 vs. the semi-auto 10/22.

If there are actual sales figures released by anyone I'd be willing to look at them. But I've looked for this very information and it is not readily available. Considering that Marlin says they have sold 11 million 60s and Ruger says they have sold under 6 million 10/22's I find the comments made by the Marlin rep to be both viable and likely to be true. Without any actual evidence to the contrary I will find it VERY hard to believe that suddenly Ruger is selling more 10/22's even if there are really 6 different rifles known as a 10/22.

I've never owned a 10/22. That's because I have shot a lot of 10/22's. They don't compare to Marlins in quality. Some will shoot as accurate but it's rare. I've compared them side by side with old rifles and brand new rifles and with two shooters swapping rifles back and forth. The Marlins win every time. They are more accurate, more durable, more reliable and they cost less. That's why they sell at double the rate of the 10/22. Yes that is the well known figures that have been around for several years. I'm sure the numbers are very different now as to actual sales figures but no one has announced an official number for either rifle. All we have to go on is the same numbers that have been used for at least 5 years and probably another 5 before that. They just don't release those numbers the best I can tell. If you have evidence I'd really like to see it.

savanahsdad
September 17, 2012, 12:58 AM
OK, I'll be the odd-ball and say ,,,, ITHACA Mod.49 saddle gun :what: good luck finding one , I'm not selling mine , :neener: as for a new gun I'd go with a ruger 10/22

Roadking Rider
September 17, 2012, 08:45 AM
Just my opinion. Dollar for dollar, the best all around 22 rifle is the Ruger 10/22.There are more of them that has been past down from father to son to grandson than probably any other rifle ever made in any caliber. After market accessories are endless. There just a blast to shoot and cheap to buy and maintain. For $400 you could buy a very nice 10/22 and a boat load of ammo.

I have a couple 22 rifles, one being and old 1952 bolt action Marlin 81 DL that is still plenty accurate. Probably more accurate than the 10/22 at longer ranges. Each have there own personalities and fun to shoot.
I'm currently thinking about picking up a Henry lever action 22.

My go to rifle would still be the 10/22 though because it just flat out works, and if you ever had to put alot of rounds down range in a hurry with exceptable accuracy it is more than capable of doing so.

303tom
September 17, 2012, 09:02 AM
Here is my Favorite.......and she shoots spot on..............

DMZ
September 17, 2012, 11:08 AM
I have an older Marlin model 25 bolt action .22 that's a great shooter.

I gave my Model 25 to my son. He put a nice scope on it and loves the thing. It was always a very accurate rifle.

Old Marlin bolt actions can be had for $100 or so and are good buys. I have a 70 year old Model 81, with Ballard rifling, that is still a tack driver.

CraigC
September 17, 2012, 12:50 PM
I would strongly suggest that you go handle as many as you possibly can. Figure out what YOU like, develop some preferences and come back with specific questions.


It came from a Marlin rep in a magazine article where he stated categorically that Marlin still sells more 60's than Ruger sells 10/22's.
You really think you got the truth about Ruger from a Marlin rep??? Ruger doesn't release production figures so I don't know where your Marlin rep got his info.


Those rifles all have different features that matter a good bit beyond just stocks.
No they don't.

The bottom line is that Ruger builds a great rifle in the 10/22 but to hear Marlin true believers talk about it, it's been 50yrs of garbage. Nothing could be further from the truth. If Marlin sells more guns, it's because they're cheap, not better. IMHO, having had a Marlin 60 for 30yrs, Rugers are better made guns in every way. What makes them more appealing is that they can also be easily modified to be anything the user wants them to be.


Model 60 is a rifle that asks for no upgrades.
Clark Custom Guns started the heavy barrel 10/22 craze. They needed a fast shooting semi-auto for the Sportsman's Team Challenge that was also steady to hold and highly accurate. They found what they needed in the 10/22 because its design lent itself well to customization. The Marlin design is NOT easily upgraded. It just is what it is and can be nothing more.


I've never owned a 10/22.
And the expert has spoken. :rolleyes:

Sorry for the thread deviation. I just get tired of this Ruger-bashing, Marlin true believer-ism. Give it a rest.

razorback2003
September 17, 2012, 01:12 PM
I'd say for bolt action look at CZ, Savage, or Marlin. You can get a Marlin tube fed bolt action 22 that will shoot shorts, long, and Long Rifle.

Semi auto Marlin 60 or Ruger 10/22.

Lever, i'd say Henry or Marlin. Both will shoot shorts, long, and long rifle.

sansone
September 17, 2012, 01:40 PM
there is no "best"..
like any tool there are so many choices. Please be more specific describing your needs. then we can offer more precise suggestions :rolleyes:

I6turbo
September 17, 2012, 05:21 PM
Not sure if it's feasible where you live, but if possible I suggest that you try to find someone locally with a CZ 452 that you can fire a few rounds through and see what you think about it. You might be like a lot of other people, myself included, and really connect with the CZ. I've been shooting .22's and many other guns for about 50 years and have owned a 1966 model 10/22 for about 35 years now. Like a lot of people here, I've shot all manner of Marlins, Winchesters, Remingtons, Brownings, Savages, Stevens, and who knows what else. Through all those, I was still content with the old 10/22 because it was accurate, reliable, maneuverable, and just felt good somehow. THEN, I bought a CZ 452 FS in March of this year. Then in July I bought another CZ because I loved the first one so much. Then in September I bought another CZ because I loved the first two so much. Now I'm trying to restock the gun fund for a 4th CZ. I plan to stop there, but the guys in the CZ/Brno forum on RFC -- guys who own 6 or 10 or 15 or more CZs -- warn about CZitis, and I'm thinking that I'm beginning to understand... :uhoh:

mshootnit
September 17, 2012, 10:44 PM
recently looking at the rimfire central activity it seems that the most interest in 22's is broken down like this:

1 Ruger
2. CZ
3. Marlin


CZ's are getting alot of positive talk.
Another good one : Zastava Z5

ColtPythonElite
September 17, 2012, 10:47 PM
The Zastava's I have handled were poorly finished with horrible stock triggers.

ArchAngelCD
September 19, 2012, 01:34 PM
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I have a couple 22 rifles, one being and old 1952 bolt action Marlin 81 DL that is still plenty accurate. Probably more accurate than the 10/22 at longer ranges. Each have there own personalities and fun to shoot.
I'm currently thinking about picking up a Henry lever action 22....
A few years back I was looking for a .22 levergun and I couldn't find a good used Marlin M39 and new was very costly. I decided to check into the Henry and I am very happy I did. I bought the basic model, Part # H001 but it's still very nice. The lever is smooth as glass and it's extremely accurate. I like my bolt action .22 but there just something about a levergun...

Jspy
September 19, 2012, 07:30 PM
Although I don't own one I would advise the 10/ 22 because of price and the fact you can do so many more things with it by customizing it. I would lean towards the CZ if I were wanting a bolt gun. Don't overlook some of the older guns like the Remington Mod. 12, or the 151 pump.

DMZ
September 19, 2012, 09:18 PM
One rifle that has not been mentioned is the Ruger 77-22. Priced higher than a CZ 452, but they are well built and very accurate.

valnar
September 19, 2012, 09:20 PM
Marlin 60 for semi-auto
CZ 452 for bolt

I own both. I do not have any other .22's

scaper
September 20, 2012, 12:37 PM
I have a Ruger 77-22 with heavy barrel and laminated stock that shoots very well, and a heavily custom 10-22 that also shoots well. My CZ is also a nice shooter. I hate to admit it, but the Norinco "deluxe" model that I bought for about $100 15 or so years ago, crude as it may be, shoots damn near as good as any other .22 that I own.

targetshooter22
September 20, 2012, 01:24 PM
My, my there are a lot of choices. Personally, I like my CZ452 Lux best. But the 10/22 and Marlin 60 are good choices too, as are the Savage bolt action varients (a friend has the target model with the accutrigger and he loves it).

Maybe go to a store (or three), and see what fits and feels good to you? The caliber is inherently accurate, and a lot of the differences described can only be seen by very good shooters on paper with ideal ammunition...

Good luck, and happy shooting!

SKILCZ
September 20, 2012, 01:29 PM
Depends...

Bolt action, I love the CZ 452 Trainer, though there are many other good choices out there.

Semi-auto, the Ruger 10/22 is probably the most popular, but the Marlin 60 and numerous others are good too. Or if you had an AR-15, for example, you could get a conversion kit.

sojonojo
September 20, 2012, 01:37 PM
The best .22 is the one that will perform when you need it to and is comfortable for you.

There are far to many guns out there and nobody has fired every single one of them to tell you which one is best. All we can do is pass around what we have heard (and even then, that can be full of it), what we have experience with, and what we think is best.


Until you actually get out there and test for yourself, you wont know.

76shuvlinoff
September 20, 2012, 08:30 PM
Best .22 rifle for me? Marlin, ....and yes I have shot 10/22 albeit it was over 30 years ago. It was a fine enough plinker but it was why I bought my first Marlin.

Best for you? No one here would have a clue, you'll figure it out.


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Buzznrose
September 20, 2012, 08:45 PM
Best as in most accurate? Best as in most versatile? Best as in most accessories and aftermarket stuff? Best as in best bang for the buck? Best as in best quality?

The Marlin 60 is the most popular commercial rifle ever made primarily because it is the cheapest, most mass produced and mass marketed (commercial) rifle ever for the last 60 years. (and only the AK47 beats it overall)

The Ruger 10/22 is the second most popular ever and has been beating the 60 in sales in recent years because it has a reliable flush fitting, detachable magazine and has a much larger accessory aftermarket. Because of the aftermarket it is the most versatile rifle on the market and can be easily make into anything you want it to be.

I have dozens of 22 rifles, high and low end of all kinds of makes, models and types. The one I most always use for everything is a 10/22.
Agree with 10-22 based on the fact anyone can personalize them however they want.

Love my Marlin 60 too, and miss my .22 WMR bolt, and dearly want a Winchester 94-22...

.22's are fun, hard to go wrong however you go.

meanmrmustard
September 20, 2012, 09:05 PM
Sig Sauer 522. It's what the 10/22 wishes it was.

Jspy
September 20, 2012, 10:02 PM
Does the Sig Sauer fall in the price range the original poster was looking for ? How does it compare to the S&W or Colt offerings ?

meanmrmustard
September 20, 2012, 10:15 PM
Does the Sig Sauer fall in the price range the original poster was looking for ? How does it compare to the S&W or Colt offerings ?
Yup. $330 OTD. In most places.

Much better built and more robust that the Smith, and uses better magazines. That alone gives it my nod, but after owning both, the Sig was as accurate, more reliable, and cheaper.

Can't comment on the Colt. If you're are referring to the travesty made by Umarex, I've heard to many horror stories about it to warrant a look. But, that's hearsay.

The Sig is amazing.

CraigC
September 21, 2012, 09:01 AM
The SIG 552 is an excellent rifle for what it is, perhaps the best of the factory "tactical" .22's but it doesn't exactly replace the 10/22. At least I've never seen one that shoots half-MOA at 50yds and has a 14oz trigger. ;)

aka108
September 21, 2012, 09:55 AM
CZ offers 22rf rifles in a variety of configurations at good prices. If you pay 3 or 4 hundred dollars for one of the CZ's you won't find better value in any other make of rifle for the same price. If you get convinced to purchase a Ruger 10/22, the new ones are cheaply put together. Look for about a 20 year old or older one. Better everything. Some people will tell you that you can build a 10/22 into anything you want. You can and you can do it and end up with nothing remaining of the original rifle except the reciever. By then you will have just about as much money tied up in it as you would a Volquartsen but it would still have the stigma of being a worked over Ruger. If you want a very very good inexpensive rifle, look into a Marlin 60. About 150 bucks as it will outshoot a Ruger 10/22 all day long.

CraigC
September 21, 2012, 09:59 AM
...the new ones are cheaply put together.
Nonsense. Prove it. Some folks complained about the matte finished barrels and wrinkled coated receivers. Enough so that Ruger went back to the old teflon coat and brushed finish. If you're referring to the polymer trigger housings, some folks with an open mind actually see them as an upgrade. Marlin has used plastic on the triggerguard of the model 60 and 795 since their inception.


By then you will have just about as much money tied up in it as you would a Volquartsen...
Have you priced a VQ rifle? Built a 10/22??? With a statement like that, you've obviously done neither. Buy a VQ rifle, at a substantial premium over building a Ruger and you get a very finely made rifle but you only have a choice of whatever VQ wants you to have. Build a Ruger and you can have it your way.


...but it would still have the stigma of being a worked over Ruger.
What stigma???

j1
September 21, 2012, 10:31 AM
The CZ is a reallly nice accurate rifle with open sights which are still on my gun. Really nice sights. This thread is interesting as it contains many great choices including the 10 22. It goes from accurate bolt actions to semi auto. It is cleat to me that you must do some thinking about what you want or else buy at least two 22 s. Good luck and please let me know what you did finally buy.

MachIVshooter
September 21, 2012, 10:52 AM
I have about a dozen .22 rifles at present, but if I could only keep one, it'd be my Marlin 39A.

HoosierQ
September 21, 2012, 11:03 AM
Everything you need to know was out there by post 10 (no offense anybody...that's as far as I read).

Given what you're intentions are (you didn't say you were going to take it to the arctic to use aboard your fishing boat during a blizzard...kind of a thing), those first 10 posts covered it. I went the 10/22 route over the Model 60 for two reasons 1) it appeares to me that the 10/22 is easier to take apart (many will not agree), and 2) the 10/22 is easier to load and unload with that rotary box magazine.

brnmuenchow
September 21, 2012, 11:11 AM
Winchester Model 67. I have never owned a more accurate rifle for .22 cal. It is a single shot, yes... but I inherited it from my grandfather when I was a child and I still have it today, and it is still just as accurate and every time you pull the trigger it goes bang! :)

Does anyone have any idea how much one is worth nowday's? Not to change the subject... better yet I will ask by starting a new thread here in the rifle section on it so answer there if you know.

gojuice101
September 21, 2012, 09:11 PM
Another vote for the Marlin model 60. Mine was given to me when I was in seventh grade, so I've had it for around 14 or 15 years. Incredibly accurate and fun to shoot.

The only problem I've had with mine is I broke the plunger on the magazine tube, so it doesn't like to feed the last round. If anyone knows where to get one, let me know. I have found them, but they are for the newer models and they use a different size and style.

meanmrmustard
September 21, 2012, 09:23 PM
The SIG 552 is an excellent rifle for what it is, perhaps the best of the factory "tactical" .22's but it doesn't exactly replace the 10/22. At least I've never seen one that shoots half-MOA at 50yds and has a 14oz trigger. ;)
It's 522, and by the time you have that 1/2 MOA and light trigger pull, you've far exceeded the $400 price limit. If that we're the case, the Marlin 60 will do 1/2 outta the box with the right guy/gal on the trigger.

The 522 is accurate enough for all but the most nitpicky marksman. For a varmint/plinker/tac trainer, it's hard to be beat. Certainly, in my experience, by a 10/22 variant costing at or under $400.

d2wing
September 21, 2012, 09:48 PM
I own a Marlin, Ruger CZ 452 and a a few others. The most accurate and reliable
Is the CZ. The handiest and close on accuracy is the Ruger 10/22 with a barrel upgrade. Either one is under an inch at 50 yards with target ammo. My 2 Marlins, Winchester, Daisy bolt action and Savage are not as accurate. There are lots of choices but I can't buy all of them. Buy one that appeals to you, then add another when you can till you know what you like.

mshootnit
September 21, 2012, 09:50 PM
gojuice,
I would check Numrich first. After that I think your best bet would be to try gun broker for a "parts rifle" or "gunsmith special". Possibly ebay. If that all fails I would put up a few ads in "wanted" section of the classifieds for this website and/or rimfire central

Mike J
September 21, 2012, 10:21 PM
gojuice if all else fails you could try calling Marlin. Be warned though I replaced the buffer in my Glenfield version of a model 60 a couple of years ago & they charged me $10 shipping for a 5 dollar part that probably didn't weigh but a couple of ounces.

CraigC
September 21, 2012, 11:19 PM
It's 522, and by the time you have that 1/2 MOA and light trigger pull, you've far exceeded the $400 price limit.
It's what the 10/22 wishes it was.
That's true but the 522 will only be what it is when you unbox it. The 10/22 can be anything you want it to be and you can do it a piece at a time. I'm not saying one is better than the other, they are just different.


If that we're the case, the Marlin 60 will do 1/2 outta the box with the right guy/gal on the trigger.
Nothing more than wishful thinking. :rolleyes:


The 522 is accurate enough for all but the most nitpicky marksman.
Like I said, the 522 is an excellent rifle but lots of folks want/need more accuracy than it could ever deliver.

Safety First
September 22, 2012, 10:08 AM
Anyone own either of the Browning 22 rifles, the SA or BL? I know they will be over the OP's budget but what do you think of those two quality and accuracy?

j1
September 22, 2012, 10:20 AM
The quality of the Brownings is superb, and I forgot all about them. I like this thread.

ApacheCoTodd
September 22, 2012, 10:23 AM
What, is this thread still going? I'da thought by response number 71, someone woulda posted the fact that the Marlin 39 (Golden 39, thank you very much!) IS the best .22 rifle, ever, full stop - and then the thread could have been locked in the "asked and answered" mode so popular around here.:neener:

Not "one of...", not "among the..." or any of those sad qualifiers but the king pooh, A#1, top-o-the-heap, go-to, gold standard, rock-out-with-yer... well, the best!

Carbine aint bad either...:D

Safety First
September 22, 2012, 11:03 AM
Too much coffee ?

meanmrmustard
September 22, 2012, 11:25 AM
That's true but the 522 will only be what it is when you unbox it.

Nothing more than wishful thinking. :rolleyes:

Like I said, the 522 is an excellent rifle but lots of folks want/need more accuracy than it could ever deliver.

That's the point: it is what it is, and doesn't NEED to be changed. I don't know where MOA out of a short barreled trainer is bad, but okay...

It may be wishful to you (hopefully not) but my 8 year old punches excellent groups with his M60 and mini mags like a champ. Hope you shoot better than an 8 year old!;)

Either rifle spoken about in this post delivers enough accuracy at or under the OPs price point without modification past an optic. I'm aware of the Rugers potential, I've owned several over the years, but for what it costs to make a bench shooter out of it...lets suffice it to say I'd have been better off with two Sigs or three M60s over one modded 10/22. I guess it's up to intended use: I find it boring to bench shoot ALL the time with a .22, but that's ME. The other two I prefer are what I consider "jack of all trades, masters of none". Decent at the bench, great for plinkage, deadly to small game. That's my opinion.:)

j1
September 23, 2012, 08:33 AM
After thinking about this for a few days I have decided that there are so many good 22 rifles that they almost cannot be listed, but it is fun trying. There almost is no best, just what suits you at the time. Have fun and get a few different types and styles.

relaxing
September 23, 2012, 09:36 AM
My dad had a Browning .22 auto that he really liked. Real nice looking gun, high quality, and although he said his eyes were shot... he could hit about anything he wanted to!! He was a WW2 vet that fought the Japanese and carried a BAR when he wasn't using flame thrower.

dugasgunner
September 23, 2012, 11:46 PM
I lately had my first contact with SAKO rimfires. A acquired a beautiful M-78 in lr and as of now its the greatest rimfire i ever had. A lot of rimfires of different brand pass through my hands and none compare. Of course the asked price of those is pretty steep and i perfectly understand that not everybody is willing to put that kind of money on a rimfire. A lot of very good rimfires out there. Handle the one you like the most and choose from there and of course do not neglect the used market. Lots of great bargain to be found. Good luck.

Ignition Override
September 24, 2012, 02:13 AM
The old Marlin 60 I bought in '10 was so banged up that literally almost every other rd. misfeeds, but this might be very rare-even after new parts were ordered and installed by the gun smith.
The gun must have been abused quite a bit.

Right now, the Romanian M-69 Trainer is a good bit more fun that the old (1940s) Savage single shot .22. The Trainers' bores can be very good or excellent.
The M-69 is sort of like a very light weight mini-Mauser, but with better sights.

mf-dif
September 25, 2012, 07:05 PM
If you're going tacticool, SIG 522 hands down. It makes the SW MP15-22 pound dirt in every category.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/MF-DIF/DSC_0012-6.jpg

HOWARD J
September 25, 2012, 08:09 PM
http://imageshack.us/a/img703/7451/dsc03104d.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/dsc03104d.jpg/)

I like my old 39A---picked it up from my dear brother in early 50's
time to refinish the lever.
Under $400---I have a Ruger 10/22 & a Marlin 60 & a number of bolt action 22's

meanmrmustard
September 25, 2012, 08:13 PM
If you're going tacticool, SIG 522 hands down. It makes the SW MP15-22 pound dirt in every category.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/MF-DIF/DSC_0012-6.jpg
I love these rifles. Makes M&Ps look bush league.

Sheepdog1968
September 25, 2012, 08:43 PM
There is no "best" gun. Too many variables, individual preferences, and situations to pick one all around best gun.

Buy quality and you seldom go wrong.
Pretty much my thoughts. I was at the local gun store and saw many nice used 22s that were 50+ years old and had some nice character that would have made me quite happy. Some of the older lever action 22's look really nice as well.

tech30528
September 26, 2012, 01:58 PM
I have a $400 10 22 that is my favorite rifle to walk in the woods with.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/tech30528/IMG_0840.jpg

stainless carbine bought at a gun show for $175.
BlackHawk Axiom stock
Simmons 3x9x40 scope
PowerCustom internals including competition trigger set, auto bolt release and upgraded hammer spring and firing pin

It comes in at just over 5 pounds and is quite versatile. I have other 22s, one dressed out for extreme accuracy and one with a custom barrel for hyper velocity ammo testing. Both are heavier and cost about twice as much. Strange that the cheapest one is my favorite, but I'm actually looking to get rid of one of the others now since this is the one I almost always reach for. My target one is fun for fine long distance shooting, like the ping pong balls we shoot 350 feet from the front porch. But if I could keep just one this would be it. The target in the pic was 100 yards unsupported with hypervelocity ammo (that was Aguila SuperMax hollowpoints) which is notoriously flighty. Groups are half that with other ammo such as CCI AR Tactical or Remington subsonic hollowpoints. Haven't played with match grade ammo with this one, I have other rifles for that kind of thing. This one is for plinking/ varmint/ small game and never disappoints.

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