[Fingers McGee]

Saw tonights episode with Aerosmith's Joe Perry. All I have to say is:

AAAAAAAAAAAArrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh.

To paraphrase one scene. 'blackpowder is dangerous stuff. the static electricity from walking across a wool rug can set it off'

[Jim, West PA]

Concider the source Fingers.
It's all about the drama.

[mykeal]

It's all about the drama.
Amen.

I don't watch that show any more. Just a bunch of yahoos blowing things up.

[loose noose]

I stopped watching that eons ago, talk about drama queens, they all ought to go back into the swamp they came from.:cuss:

[Guillermo]

ignore the druggy talking science

the show is ridiculous

they do, sometimes, get to play with some cool toys though

[CraigC]

I couldn't stand to watch but a few episodes. Hackjob gunsmithing, pitiful customer service and if Will ever talked to me the way he talks to some of his employees, we'd have a problem.

**Just be careful with your wording. Apparently Will is secretly a member here and if you say anything derogatory about his daughter, her uh, honor, will be defended rigorously. Don't ask me how I know. :rolleyes:

[Guillermo]

The daughter is shrill and dumb which would be easier to take if she were attractive...

but know that she is allegedly "gunsmithing" it is really bad.

BTW, none of her issues are her fault. But prancing her out there is like she is a queen is like presenting the mom of honey boo boo as Miss America.

Plus his bad dye job makes him look like the Joker SERIOUSLY gone to pot.

But they do get to play with nice toys!!!

[Jim, West PA]

**Just be careful with your wording. Apparently Will is secretly a member here and if you say anything derogatory about his daughter, her uh, honor, will be defended rigorously. Don't ask me how I know

Hahaha, now that right there is funny beyond all git out.

But, none of this is High Road and a quickly goin nowhere thread.

[Busyhands94]

I don't watch that show anymore. The gun safety isn't good at all, shooting fireballs in the shop and .410's with arrows stuck in the barrel is unsafe. Plus all the people that work there look like potheads with their baseball hats all flattened out and bend to the side, they use pothead terms too like "burnin" instead of smoking. I remember Kris saying "Will is out back burnin', Steph" and I busted up laughing.

Even though they get all the cool stuff like machine guns, silencers, etc. I feel as though it is giving the anti gunners like Brady, Fienstein, Billary Clinton, and the like more ammo to use against us.

About that .410 arrow launcher thing, I remember him saying BP doesn't burn at the high pressures that smokeless does. Not true, BP burns at the same pressure but with a slower pressure curve. It's like smacking a nail into a board with a hammer versus pushing it in.

Don't even get me started on Pawn Stars either. Rick Harrison has a successful TV show but still rips people off. Go in there selling a bird in hand, you'll come out with one in the bush.

Not to go on a whole rant here, its too early for that here.

[Guillermo]

To the OP,

We shouldn't blame the show for what a druggie-rocker says, other than feel sorry for them because they were too star-struck to correct him (If they knew. I doubt the "special" daughter did, but Hayden should have. Or maybe it was edited out)

[Kaeto]

A better show is Family Business on the National Geographic channel. It features the people running IMA.

[TomADC]

Haven't watched it much but did catch last nights show, discounting the BP dangerous stuff, they did shoot some nice weapons..

[481]

I get a chuckle out of the show- if for nothing more than the silly stuff they say and the drama.

The show's atmosphere reminds of a local gunshop that I frequent just for entertainment's sake- non-stop uninformed bloviating and mis-information coupled with lots of self-important posturing and plenty of arrogance.

They get a lot of stuff wrong- like the BP gaffe- and seeing their antics confirmed for me after the first few shows that I wouldn't be doing business with them anytime soon- especially after watching his rather odd daughter "working" :rolleyes: on some the guns. :uhoh:

[CraigC]

The show's atmosphere reminds of a local gunshop that I frequent just for entertainment's sake- non-stop uninformed bloviating and mis-information coupled with lots of self-important posturing and plenty of arrogance.
I love a happy mix of arrogance and ignorance in a gun shop! ;)

[brushhippie]

High road.......ok....it could be a good show if they would hire a new cast and writers. Thats as high as it gets!

[WALKERs210]

they all ought to go back into the swamp they came from Don't group the people on Sons of Guns show with honest hard working people that come out of the swamp's. I gave the show an trial run but all I see is things that look like a comedy show attempting to build things that were perfected years ago. At least the main guy don't have his daughter running around with almost no clothes on.

[rdhood]

I pretty much stopped watching when they got rid of Vince. To recap:

head honcho gives Chris a project.

Chris screws up the project. At the last minute, they dump it on Vince. Vince saves their azzes but makes a mistake in shipping. Vince gets crucified. They manage to recover and Chris, the guy who screwed the pooch, gets credit for Vince pulling the project out of the crapper.

What a hokey mess.

[Guillermo]

At least the main guy don't have his daughter running around with almost no clothes on

:eek:

I hadn't thought of that!!!

You are right, it could be worse. (More like American Guns)

[Pancho]

What bothers me is that I know that the people and the business were once real people but the "producers" of the show turn them into cartoons for entertainment sake that gun enthusiasts like us don't recognize.
For instance I have a friend that was "free styled" by the American Pickers. He was called a month before to ask his permission to be on the show. 20 guys showed up plus the two Pickers and spent the day shooting a segment that lasted less than 15 min.

[Guillermo]

What bothers me is that I know that the people and the business were once real people

That is an excellent point.

Ask any politician about editing.

Perhaps we are being to hard on the "actors" and not hard enough on the production crew.

[mdemetz]

A better show is Family Business on the National Geographic channel.
I think you mean Family Guns.

[Kaeto]

Yep my goof on the name of the show.

[Jaymo]

I watched one episode and it was more than I can stomach.
Honestly, I haven't seen any "reality" TV show that was worth watching.
Remember American Chopper? (where's the barf emoticon?)

[Busyhands94]

Or those commercial fishing shows, one can only watch men pull crabs, shrimp, and other aquatic organism out of the water for so long before he gets sick of it.

I miss mail call with R. Lee Eremy! :(

[crazyjennyblack]

I watch the show for laughs. Will reminds me of a guy I used to work with. Same look, attitude, and lack of manners. I still find it hilarious that when they deal with explosives they do the whole "we can't show you this" routine, but if you watch the episode on the internet and freeze it frame-by-frame the images and a bit of logic can tell you exactly what they used and how they did it. :neener:

If anything, I wish they did more with BP and antiques and less with machine guns. I know that's partly a "fox and the grapes" kind of thing - BP is accessible to me and legal machine guns really aren't. Wouldn't it be great if they did a show on taking a Pietta repro revolver and modifying the innards to do something special, or doing a high-dollar tuning job for a competition shooter? Or howabout a custom-built harmonica rifle that uses the block with multiple chambers like a removable magazine? Tons of cool inventive stuff they could be doing with BP alone!

[Jim Watson]

I kind of stumbled across Family Guns on Nat. Geo. the other day. I had high hopes for it but somebody made an egregiously wrong statement and I lost interest right away.
I ran so fast I don't even remember what the blunder was.

[481]

I love a happy mix of arrogance and ignorance in a gun shop! ;)
It's nice to know that I am not alone in that guilty pleasure. People watching is fun- 'specially the crazy ones! ;)

[Busyhands94]

If anything, I wish they did more with BP and antiques and less with machine guns. I know that's partly a "fox and the grapes" kind of thing - BP is accessible to me and legal machine guns really aren't. Wouldn't it be great if they did a show on taking a Pietta repro revolver and modifying the innards to do something special, or doing a high-dollar tuning job for a competition shooter? Or howabout a custom-built harmonica rifle that uses the block with multiple chambers like a removable magazine? Tons of cool inventive stuff they could be doing with BP alone!

Exactly, that would be awesome if they did things like that on the show. I'd watch it if that were the case.

[Jaymo]

I also miss Gunny. I liked Mail Call. That was the closest thing to reality TV I would watch.
Watching foul mouthed motorcycle assemblers throw temper tantrums, fisherman catch seafood, and truckers slide around on the ice so much before it's annoying.

About the druggy spouting his form of science, I don't take science, or political advice from entertainers.

[Busyhands94]

Don't even get me started on those motorcycle shows. The last thing I want to watch is a father and son fighting over stupid stuff, yelling at eachother, suing eachother, and acting like children. My dog has a higher maturity level than that.

Once heard that people would rather watch strangers fight than celebrities make love. Not sure if they were average Joe's before the show but I'm not watching it.

[BHP FAN]

Well, I guess I'm the only one here that thinks Steph is a ''Swamp Fox''....reminds me of a girl friend I had back in the day. Still doesn't make it worth watching an entire episode, though.

[Rojelio]

The daughter on "American Guns" reminds me of a girlfriend I wish I would Of had back in the day.:D

[Jaymo]

All I have to say to them is, Saiga is NOT pronounced "sayga".
It's Sigh-ga, or sigh-ee-ga. (According to the Russians who actually make them)

[savanahsdad]

HAY-NOW I love that show !! funny as hell !! and it is a great tool to show your kids what NOT to do , like when that take a gun they just built or rebuilt , and get ready to test fire it with 5 guys standing there, then break for a commercial , and your sitting there waiting to see if it is going to blow-up and kill all of them :banghead::banghead::banghead: this is where you look at your kids and say NEVER EVER DO THAT ! , check the gun over good , work the action , run some dumby round through it and then pop off an empty case with a live primer only , after you do all of that, then he who worked on it last, gets the live round and no one should be standing next to him when he shoots it ,
see what you could be teaching your kids , great show :barf::barf:

[CraigC]

Don't even get me started on those motorcycle shows.
The one I thought was actually really good and miss was "Build or Bust". I hate the shows where a famous builder is building a car or bike for his client and is on a time crunch. Showing everything being done in a hurry. I don't know about you guys, but if I paid the high tariff to have Boyd Coddington build me a car, they better take their sweet time and do it right! What I liked about Build or Bust is that it was a regular bloke building a bike that he got to keep if he finished it on time. Now THAT is cool!

Now if we can get a show like that, only building custom guns, that would be awesome! :)

[jimwill48]

Got to remember guys its TV. I don't watch "The Big Bang Theory" to learn physics anymore than I watch the "gun" TV shows to learn anything about guns. The only thing that bothers me is the mistakes on these shows that become the gospel to uninformed people. To me the worst offender is the "American Guns" show, it is so unreal in the way they show gunsmiths and such that its truly bizarre. The way the owner is able to take a factory firearm that sells for $500.00 do a trigger job, cut a barrel, bolt on a couple of gizmo's and then price it for $2500.00 is outrageous. And the way they show the machining practices and test firing (hand held with no stock) is truly dangerous. Sons of Guns is just so overly scripted by the production company that it has become a parody. Yea and I do wish they would spend more time on real guns we can own rather than the machine guns, cannons and anti aircraft weapons. I have in my life shot most of these and have no further interest in them. And "black rifles" leave me cold. And just so you know I've been into guns,shooting, reloading and heck even wrote a handful of magazine articles about the subject for over 42 years now and still learn something new about the subject everyday. Right now re-reading "The Muzzleloading Cap Lock Rifle" by Roberts, a great read...sorry for rambling ;)

[12gaugeTim]

All I have to say to them is, Saiga is NOT pronounced "sayga".
It's Sigh-ga, or sigh-ee-ga. (According to the Russians who actually make them)
Maybe they're just like me
http://youtu.be/pM9klxOLbHM?t=4s

[Busyhands94]

All I have to say to them is, Saiga is NOT pronounced "sayga".
It's Sigh-ga, or sigh-ee-ga. (According to the Russians who actually make them)
Reminds me of the folk in my trap club family. It seems like we are always arguing about whether Bakial is pronounced "baccy-all" or "bake-all" or with the .454 Casull it's either "Cuh-sool" or Cass-uhl" you know.

With Fiocchi it's either "fee-aw-chee" "fie-oh-chee" "Fee-oak-ee" and other dumb stuff like that. I've kinda been annoyed that my English friend Mark calls it a "point three- five- seven magnum" and not a "three- fifty -seven magnum" Or a "point two-two Long Rifle rimfire" Haha!

Then again I'm just as guilty. On Wednesday night I asked my mom if she could make us some roast beef with aw juss to dip em' in for dinner. I tend to pronounce things like an American! :D

[BHP FAN]

wasn't it JFK who famously said ''I am a jelly doughnut'' in German?

[Diamondback6]

I miss mail call with R. Lee Eremy! :(
Ditto, and Lock 'n' Load--BRING BACK GUNNY ALREADY!

[bogon48]

I really like to watch some of these shows from time to time...they give me a chuckle and make me feel smart. But watching these reality shows is sorta like drinking bad moonshine. Sooner or later you'll damage your brain. Just say no.

[Busyhands94]

I like to watch the president's speeches when I want to feel smart, but I hate to see that kind of ignorance in the firearms community.

[Saddlebag Preacher]

"Choot 'em 'Lizbeth!"

Ya know, sometimes it fun just to hear certain words on these shows ya though you'd only hear when your wife stands between you getting snake bit or not 'cuz she's closer to the gun. :o

[Guillermo]

but I hate to see that kind of ignorance in the firearms community

I have not watched enough to know whether it is REALLY inbred theater or edited to look that way.

But one good thing about all of these shows is that it gets folks to the range and the gun stores.

I have seen more women at the range in the last year. And more kids.

We old guys are going to die off and we need a new generation to carry on. If it takes a gun comedy to do so, so be it.

[mykeal]

But one good thing about all of these shows is that it gets folks to the range and the gun stores.


I find it very, very difficult to believe that people are more interested in firearms and shooting sports because of those clowns. If that's truly the case, we really don't need those people; imagine your local range or hunting land populated by that kind of 'sportsman'.

I think this show actually causes people to turn away from hunting and the shooting sports. Who really wants to be associated with this kind of stuff?

[Guillermo]

I think this show actually causes people to turn away from hunting and the shooting sports

I don't think so...

people like crap

[Dlowe167]

I agree. Blowing stuff up is cool. But not when in shooting,unless actually caused by ammo. Anyone and rig to blow up something. Leave that for the pyrotecs. I just like my guns to look good and function. The riggin to blow is a selling gimick,and thats it. Let your gunsmithing skill do the talkin! Plus the owner will gets on my nerves. If he was hands on more,he'd have creditablity. I can get some else to do the work too. Would like to shoot one of those H&K 416 AR's they been hypin up!

[Jaymo]

Baikal is By-call, like the lake.
Fiocchi is Fee-oak-ee. Double c followed by an h is pronounced as a K. Like Pinocchio.
Calibers are spoken as how many hundredths or thousandths of an inch they are.
Twenty two. Four forty four. Three fifty seven. Two twenty three. Three oh eight.

One that really bugs me is people calling a magazine a clip.
It's like calling wheels "rims".

I think antigunners use shows like this as an example of how stupid those Neanderthal gun owners are.

I miss Lock and Load, as well.

[Jim Watson]

One that really bugs me is people calling a magazine a clip.

Strange, it bugs me that so many people know the difference between a magazine and a clip but think the bore diameter of their 7.62x51 NATO is .308".
Or reload ammunition with the powder over the bullet.
Etc.

[Busyhands94]

From what I was taught a magazine was for a rifle, a clip was for a pistol.

[Guillermo]

a "magazine" is a "box magazine"

a "clip" is a "stripper clip"

http://outfitterlife.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/magazine-vs-clip.jpg

[Spartacus]

I wouldn't watch it if I didn't have a DVR. I like to see the end product, that's all.

[PoserHoser]

Don't forget the "tactical" Krag Jorgensen :banghead::barf:

[Eb1]

Don't watch the show. Wish it would go away. I will never buy anything from these Yahoo's.

[YumaKid]

Never heard of the show; until this thread started. I'm not much of a TV watcher, and I find the so-called "reality shows" like this to be pretty UNreal!

Sounds like I'm not missing much.

[burnse]

Since American gun came along, that was the final nail in the coffin for me watching any tv station operating under the mask of being educational in any way. Discovery, TLC, History (sometimes), Science, and others lack any educational value, and their channels should not be named as such.
That aside, I watched a grand total of about six or 7 minutes of an episode of Sons of Guns, and I could tolerate it no more. The other one, which I'm fairly sure is American gun, was so upsetting that I gave it almost 15 minutes, allowing myself to get out my thoughts on how stupid they are.
Just bad TV.

[splattergun]

I tried to watch it. Once.

[4v50 Gary]

It's all about the drama.

Agree. I can't stand the boob tube.

[Busyhands94]

The best part of the show in my opinion is Tab Benoit's "Shelter Me" but that's pretty much it. That's what made me give the show a shot (no pun intended) in the first place is Tab Benoit and guns, but I don't really like that show all that much.

They did have a BP cannon, that was pretty cool I have to admit.

But shooting .410's with arrows jammed in the barrel isn't smart, nor is putting a tube of lipstick in the pistol grip of an AR-15 and painting it black and white. That really isn't my thing, of course if it gets girls and women shooting I'm for it.

[Jim, West PA]

The best part of the show in my opinion is Tab Benoit's "Shelter Me"

Now them's some cool licks right there Levi.

Not to meantion some bodacious lyrics.

[Busyhands94]

That's definitely some seriously awesome guitar! Love it!

I always start my day with Tab Benoit, or the Rolling Stones, or Hendrix, sometime even Sublime or Santana. Cool music for sure! It's important to get your daily dosage of sweet riffs!

[Jim, West PA]

Hahahaha, i have to laugh.
Aside from Benoit or Sublime, yer days start just like mine............40 years ago lolol
I will certainly check out some Benoit tho.

My wife and i were just talkin about this subject last night.
How music moves foreward.
What i mean by that is that younger generation's music never really transcends, or, gets 'approved' by the older generation, but somehow the older generation's music allways eventualy appeals to the younger.

Never really any real guitar in the Stones, Carlos is ok but Jimi was/is in a league all his own.
Did you know he was a US ARMY RANGER in Vietnam ?

[Pancho]

To check out benoit just go to Youtube and type in a search. Small band with big sound. I spent six months in Homa La. and it sold me on cajun and zedyco music. goes great with burbon and local food.

[mgmorden]

I can't watch the show personally as they always seem to be building something completely over the top. I'm not interested in a patrol boat with guns and bean bag launchers and whatever other useless tacticool stuff they can throw on there. Less vehicle setups and more GUNS please.

It still has its problems too, but "American Guns" at least works on stuff that a regular person might consider owning.

[jackblack86]

Don't even get me started on Pawn Stars either. Rick Harrison has a successful TV show but still rips people off. Go in there selling a bird in hand, you'll come out with one in the bush

yaa I always go to pawn stores to get the best deals when I am selling stuff:neener:

[FiveStrings]

Who was an Army Ranger in Vietnam? Jimi? Nope. He spent some time in the 101st but got out long before they deployed to RVN. By his own account, he was a lousy soldier and hated the army.

[Busyhands94]

Actually he got busted for stealing a car, and got to make the choice between the army and jail. He picked the army, but got out by pretending to be gay and in love with a fellow soldier, so they kicked him the heck out.

Jim, you make a good point about music. When I'm an old guy I'll probably not like what we have in that day and age. Then Sublime will be like Tennessee Ernie Ford! Sad part is they'll probably look like gentlemen compared to the bands we will have at that time.

[Jaymo]

Jimi Hendrix-most overrated guitarist ever.

Reality TV-Garbage. Just look at Dog the Bounty Hunter. (shudder)

I liked Dirty Jobs and How it's Made.

[burnse]

How it's made is one of the best things on television!

[Busyhands94]

I love How it's made! Just not the music, or the puns. I think they had one for Uberti revolvers.

[Jim, West PA]

FiveStrings..... Who was an Army Ranger in Vietnam? Jimi? Nope. He spent some time in the 101st but got out long before they deployed to RVN. By his own account, he was a lousy soldier and hated the army.

Busyhands...Actually he got busted for stealing a car, and got to make the choice between the army and jail. He picked the army, but got out by pretending to be gay and in love with a fellow soldier, so they kicked him the heck out.


Thanx FiveStrings and Levi for clearin that up for me.
Looks like ya jist can't believe everything ya see on the Dick Cavet show.
And Jimi sat right there with with ole Dick showin pics in uniform and the whole works jist a fibbin away at all to see on national tv.
I'm crushed, http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=172357&d=1348420464

[Foto Joe]

As has been stated somewhere once or twice in the previous three pages of posts, "There ain't much reality in reality TV."

My son-in-law works as a "Marine Co-ordinator" for the movie industry from time to time. A few weeks ago he calls me and tells me that he's working on a pilot for some reality scuba treasure hunting show that's filming in Arizona. As much as I love him, he's a little naive once in a while, he was very amused that all the "Treasure" that they were finding was actually placed there by the divers before they started shooting.

Regarding Pawn Stars, several years ago when we where staying in Vegas for a few days my wife wanted to go see the pawn shop. Turns out it's quite the tourist attraction nowadays. They were filming the Paul Revere Spoon segment while we were there and we watched take after take while Rick and the customer "negotiated". The most notable thing about going there was a few months later when the show aired we happened to watch it and found that they had done the post interview with the customer using my motorcycle as a backdrop.