It won't happen, even a two shot group lol. S+W model 13 on bag at 50'. Horn. RN 158 and B.E. I held off shooting anymore until a cease fire, for a pic. It turned out to be chance, as the group ended up at 2", or a little less. I opened the action and checked barrel after not seeing 2nd hole.
This forum is a dangerous place to issue such a challenge. There's a number of pistols in my safe that will chew out the X at 25 yds. Apparently other folks safes too. Nice group Japle! Nice Browning too. That's one I've been wanting to add to my collection one day.
P.S. icanthitabarn I don't mean to berate a nice group, just a little friendly ribbing. There's just a whole lot of shooters here with good pistols and good handloads.
September 23, 2012, 08:26 AM
Nothing exceptional about that group at 50' - it's well over an inch. It's not even reasonable around here given that it took over 4 or 5 seconds to shoot it.
From the thread "What's a good measure for off-hand accuracy?"
Having said that, at 15 yards, standing and holding the gun in both hands, shooting DA, I work with clients to keep 5 rounds inside 1", with the goal to have them all touch, while taking their time shooting
A reasonable goal is everything inside a 2" group shooting at a pace where the trigger doesn't ever stop moving...so about 2 rounds in 1.5 seconds
September 23, 2012, 11:20 AM
I'm not sure if I made sense but the bullet hole is two bullet holes. The black square is the target. I cut em from guys who shoot the big black stick on targets. They don't peel them but use a stapler and throw them out after a few hits.
This forum is a dangerous place to issue such a challenge.
+1. I'm not even that great of a pistol shooter, but I have half a dozen handguns that can put an entire magazine (or cylinder) into a ragged hole ~1" across at 50' from a rest. Off-hand, under 2" is not that difficult with these guns if I eat breakfast and lay off the coffee before the second pot.
I don't mean to seem insulting, but everyone has a lucky day. Imagine my surprise this summer when 5 bullets made one hole at 118 yards out of my stock, pencil-barrel 16" AR10A2 carbine with Nikon Prostaff 3-9x. These were just mixed military brass, surplus powder and 150 gr. Hornady FMJBT reloads. Of course, I'll likely never see such a group again with this rifle, as the average 100 yard group from a rest is 1.3"...........
September 23, 2012, 07:55 PM
I give up
September 23, 2012, 08:59 PM
Glock 19, 5 shots, 50 feet unsupported, 2 hand hold.
Heck, I've done that so often I forget the number of times...
It's the other 3 or more that's the problem. :banghead: :D
September 24, 2012, 03:12 AM
Wish I had taken a picture of my group at a 300m paper target firing prone with an M4. 3 round group covered by a dime with 2 rounds going through the same hole but with slightly different exit on the backing. After that I was never without a camera on the range.
September 24, 2012, 04:31 AM
I'm not sure if I made sense but the bullet hole is two bullet holes. The black square is the target.
So in other words, you missed...twice. I'm just kidding you. That is a good group, especially if you were trying to do that. Heck. I'm still trying to do a happy face at 25 yards. He always comes out with a sneer.
September 24, 2012, 07:33 AM
I'm not sure if I made sense but the bullet hole is two bullet holes.
Nice, but 2 shots doesn't constitute a "group". A two-bullet hole is called a "double". I agree doubles are often by chance, and you'll even see them occasionally when the shooting really speeds up, such as in USPSA & IDPA matches.
September 24, 2012, 08:00 AM
I fired a chance two shots precisely through the same hole once...interestingly enough...with a 3-inch Model 13 on the first two rounds I ever fired through it. Distance was about 30 feet, I think. Kneeling, resting my gun hand elbow on my knee. Pure chance.
Here's a 14-shot/25 yard group fired from a Norinco 1911 after fitting a Kart barrel for the owner, fired from sandbags under his wrists. No throwaways. Locked in a magazine and fired to slidelock...repeat. PMC ball.
Well I guess with all the lead that we have all shot that this isn't that rare. I can't recall it happening before where there was no evidence of a second shot. You guys have some nice groups, and must own some great firearms :)
September 25, 2012, 09:12 PM
I don't think I've done that yet. If I have I just kept shooting and didn't notice! lol.
Here's my best.
30' off hand. Ruger GP100. Trigger/hammer spring kit. The lower 4th hole is from another group.
Remember that shot by Elmer Keith at 600 yards with an iron sight .44 magnum that caused a lot of people to call him a liar? Check it out here (http://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=34). It's an old story that many of you old timers will remember. If you say, "Who's Elmer Keith?" you have a lot to catch up on!
September 25, 2012, 09:53 PM
Remember that shot by Elmer Keith at 600 yards with an iron sight .44 magnum that caused a lot of people to call him a liar?
FWIW, Keith's own description of the event isn't pretty, and involves more than a single shot: After his client wounded the animal with a poor rifle shot, Keith missed on his first shot, hit it at 600 yards with the 2nd, but the bullet hit the deer in the jaw and exited the nose. Keith's 3rd shot knocked the animal off a ridge, out of sight, but very much alive. After 2 more shots from the client's rifle, the animal was still alive, "walking along all humped up very slowly", and it took a final (by my counting) 7th shot (again, by my counting, 6 of which hit the animal) to finally drop the animal.
Back OT, as far as revolver groups...
Here's one from CoolLuke's recent THR match: 4" DAO S&W 686 .357mag. 10 yards, 3 rounds supported & 3 rounds standing, unsupported (0.25" & 0.26", respectively).
Gun: Freedom Arms Mini-Revolver
Barrel Length: 1”
Ammo: Remington Thunderbolt
Rounds per group: 3
Number of groups: 6
Average group size: 1.202”
Distance: 200 meters
Conditions: 2AM, Thunderstorm, Drunk, During an earthquake.