Federal 45 acp brass


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SSN Vet
September 23, 2012, 03:52 PM
I just loaded a box of 45 with Federal brass and was surprised to see has a dozen cases with a slightly different head stamp and small primers.

I've loaded quite a bit of Federal brass but have never seen any with small primers.

Are they selling something new? akin to Winchester NT?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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rcmodel
September 23, 2012, 03:55 PM
Yes, it started out as lead-free only.

But I have seen reports lately that they may using them in anything.

rc

jjjitters
September 23, 2012, 05:31 PM
Federal has basically switched over either their entire line or a part of the setup(maybe the economy offerings) to small primers(taking Blazer with it).

Trent
September 23, 2012, 05:53 PM
Huh? Small primers in 45?

Why on earth...

HOWARD J
September 23, 2012, 06:00 PM
I picked up 500 of them on the web----don't feel any dif from large primers
need crono to tell

R.W.Dale
September 23, 2012, 06:01 PM
I wouldn't be upset if all handgun cartridges went to either sp or SR primers and LP priming went the way of the dodo

Trent
September 23, 2012, 07:45 PM
Wait, so they are using small pistol primers? Or small rifle primers?

Can you shoot Large Rifle using Large Pistol?

(reason I ask is I goofed when I grabbed a box and loaded up 100 8x57mm using small pistol once, then took the time to pull each and every one of those, to pop the primers and redo them.. if I wasted that time, I'm gonna pull my hair out)

HOWARD J
September 23, 2012, 08:06 PM
Some 45's are using small PISTOL primers.
In a 8 x 57 I would not use large pistol primers---You need the large RIFLE
primers---Large rifle have a harder surface---it would be too easy to set off Large Pistol primers in a 8 x 57----that's a NO NO
Closing the action might fire the cartridge

moxie
September 23, 2012, 08:08 PM
This has been going on for a number of years now. At least 5.

The small holes take small pistol primers. Otherwise they are virtually identical to the cases with big holes. They use the same reload data. They are a fact of life. Best plan is to separate them out into a separate container, and when you get enough to make what you consider a "batch," go ahead and load them up. It's really not a big deal. They shoot exactly the same.

blarby
September 23, 2012, 08:12 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=649476



Can you shoot Large Rifle using Large Pistol?

Yes.

Similar to using a non-magnum primer in a magnum load however- you will have a significant amount of unburnt powder, and your performance will suffer as a result.

The only time I was able to get this to work acceptably was in 30-30 using about 12 grs of unique.

HOWARD J
September 23, 2012, 08:20 PM
One gun I would never substitute small pistol primers would be an MI carbine---with its floating firing pin it would be very dangerous

Trent
September 23, 2012, 08:27 PM
blarby,

Thanks. I figure 43.5 grains of Varget in an 8mm, that'd be a LOT of unburnt powder and the gun probably wouldn't cycle (M76 semiauto).

Ok at least I don't have to go give myself 3 lashes for "over-playing it safe." :)

I have to admit - I have NEVER once questioned why 45 ACP used large pistol primers, and 40/9 used small pistol primers, with some loads having about the same amount of powder (light 9mm vs. heavy 45, for instance).

But it makes sense.

Going to be a pain to have an extra sorting step though. Not looking forward to the first time I have a small pistol pocketed 45 fall down the tube of my Dillon 650 when I'm set up for large primers.

beatledog7
September 23, 2012, 08:37 PM
When you examine your .45ACP brass for defects, you will find the small primer ones (every one I've ever seen is a Federal, but I understand there are others).

If you snag on a small primer .45ACP while you're running a progressive, you "failed" to check your brass for problems. I know, you don't bother examining your pistol brass......

dragon813gt
September 23, 2012, 08:52 PM
Federal and Fiocchi, along with a few others that escape me at the moment, have been using SPP For years now. It's old news at this point. You can count on all manufacturers switching over in the future. The 45 never needed a LPP primer in the first place. As soon as I use what remaining LPP primers I have it's off to scrap yard with all the LPP primer brass. I hate stocking LPP for one pistol cartridge.

SPP and SRP are the same physical size. LPP and LRP are not the same size and should not be used interchangeably. Using a SRP in place of a SPP is akin to using a SP Magnum primer so adjust loads accordingly.


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Otto
September 23, 2012, 09:32 PM
It's old news at this point. You can count on all manufacturers switching over in the future.

Not necessarily....Federal Champions in the 100 round value boxes previously had small primers but the most recent box I've seen had LPP's. Seems Federal/ATK isn't really committed to either large or small primers.

blarby
September 23, 2012, 09:55 PM
A sticky and everything.

This subject never dies, lulz.

Trent
September 23, 2012, 10:03 PM
When you examine your .45ACP brass for defects, you will find the small primer ones (every one I've ever seen is a Federal, but I understand there are others).

If you snag on a small primer .45ACP while you're running a progressive, you "failed" to check your brass for problems. I know, you don't bother examining your pistol brass......

Actually, I DO inspect pistol brass. After it's loaded. For split necks and loose bullet fit. Don't really bother to check it before hand. I'll spot check a few, obviously, to check on how clean they are, but I don't sit there with a magnifying glass on each and every one of them. :)

Rifle, different story entirely.

jcwit
September 23, 2012, 10:06 PM
Use Large Pistol primers in a rifle case requiring Large Rifle primers?

Not a good idea at all. The metal of the cup is thiner and softer, its possible for a slam fire. Same holds tru for Small Rifle and Small Pistol primers.

What can be don is using Small Rifle for cases requiring Small Pistol primers, if your firing pin springs are strong enough to ignite the primer, some are, some aren't.

SSN Vet
September 23, 2012, 11:52 PM
I guess I've been livin' in a bubble.... just plowing through the same two tubs of .45 brass over and over.

I'll just throw these in a coffee cup with all the Win. NT brass and when I accumulate enough of them I'll load em up.

KansasSasquatch
September 24, 2012, 12:25 AM
For .45 I tend to use the Starline I've bought and the Federal and Magtech LPP brass that I've collected.

I do have some SPP Fiocchi and Federal cases. One good use I've come up with for SPP .45 brass is loading it up for times where I probably won't be able to recover a good portion of my brass. I don't like the SPP .45 brass so losing it is no big deal to me.

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