Nagant M1895 Revolver: Underrated stopper?


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A Person
September 23, 2012, 08:23 PM
So, I have been thinking about getting a Nagant Revolver. Mainly for Plinking/Target shooting and as a piece of history, but also (possibly) as another self defence handgun. However,I realize that the double action pull is extremely tough, and that almost modern 7.62x38mm is ONLY for plinking and target shooting, and pales power wise compared to the old surplus stuff (400-600 FPS Difference!), but I intend to use the gun almost only in single action anyways, and I have run across some cheap surplus 7.62x38mm (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=A76238RFMJ), so, with combat loads that are around, let's say 500 more FPS than commercial loads, how does it rate in power as a manstopper? I've heard that penetration with the surplus is actually great, and it packs alot of extra "umph" behind it, as well as extra stopping power. With surplus ammo, is it at all useful in self defence? I might even plan to use it as an extra "SHTF" handgun since ammo will be easy to stock up on. Even though I do realize that there are better modern options, remember that this isn't my main self defence handgun.

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rcmodel
September 23, 2012, 08:48 PM
Maybe bettter then a .22.
But not a whole lot.

I can think of a lot better ways to spend money on a gun & ammo.
And that cheap ammo is going on 50 years old already.

rc

rule303
September 23, 2012, 08:49 PM
They are an interesting piece of history, and a unique design. I own one. They should not be considered as a defense gun, unless it is the only thing available. The surplus ammo on the market is not any cheaper than just about any common caliber, is still anemic by any standard, and importation of that round is spotty at best. IMO, you would be far better served by a used .38 special revolver, or even a Hi-Point auto for defense, if that is all your budget allows.

Shadow 7D
September 23, 2012, 08:56 PM
better gun FOR WAY LESS
consider something like a Kel Tech
or a use X (lots of major brands with YEARS of proven performance)

than a $100 gun, with exotic ammo that is EXPENSIVE and VERY hard to find. Add the ammo in and it isn't cheap anymore (take price of gun and then add price of 2K ammo)
better a 9mm (mak, .380 9mm)

ApacheCoTodd
September 23, 2012, 09:05 PM
Historical interest at best - well known NKVD back-o-da-head gun for those cowards - and interesting design to play with but when practicality is an issue in a couple of ways you touched on in the OP... No way man. no practical reason whatsoever to own it unless you're already sitting on cases of ammo.

mgmorden
September 23, 2012, 09:14 PM
I think for the price they're going for they're WELL worth buying one. People sink almost as much into a holster for some guns :).

That said, I view them as a novelty only. The trigger pull and sights are atrocious, and the reloading method is beyond slow (they reload about like a single action - except slower as the ram to push out the empties must be unscrewed and swung out first).

Enjoy them for what they are and have fun, but I wouldn't trust one as a working gun.

FWIW I had a .32ACP cylinder fitted to mine as I don't think the original ammo will be available long term. .32ACP will be around forever.

PabloJ
September 23, 2012, 09:15 PM
So, I have been thinking about getting a Nagant Revolver. Mainly for Plinking/Target shooting and as a piece of history, but also (possibly) as another self defence handgun. However,I realize that the double action pull is extremely tough, and that almost modern 7.62x38mm is ONLY for plinking and target shooting, and pales power wise compared to the old surplus stuff (400-600 FPS Difference!), but I intend to use the gun almost only in single action anyways, and I have run across some cheap surplus 7.62x38mm (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=A76238RFMJ), so, with combat loads that are around, let's say 500 more FPS than commercial loads, how does it rate in power as a manstopper? I've heard that penetration with the surplus is actually great, and it packs alot of extra "umph" behind it, as well as extra stopping power. With surplus ammo, is it at all useful in self defence? I might even plan to use it as an extra "SHTF" handgun since ammo will be easy to stock up on. Even though I do realize that there are better modern options, remember that this isn't my main self defence handgun.
It's effective. There are numerous mass graves containing many thousands sculls with hole in back to prove the point. This along with Walther PPK was used by NKVD execution squads.

VancMike
September 23, 2012, 09:21 PM
Why not get one? I had one for years, until an actual Russian made me an offer I couldn't refuse (I thought of it as the Peasants' Revenge....it was Stalin's favorite handgun). I enjoyed reloading for both original brass as well as converted 32-20 (possibly the easiest cartridge conversion in all of reloading). And there is new ammo available from various sources.

As rule303 says, it's has an interesting history. You've indicated that it's not your primary SD firearm, and that's good....it never quite seemed to fit in my hands, and both double and single-action firing is not helped by the heavy springs (which were, no doubt, designed as such to aid in reliability).

It it very lethal? Carried primarily by non-com and commissioned officers, and in WWII by Party representatives, various texts indicate that it was responsible for several thousands....perhaps hundreds of thousands....of deaths in the two world wars.

Alas, most of them are reported to be at close range, primarily in the back of a recalcitrant Russian soldier's head, thus providing sufficient motivation to other soldiers to advance toward the enemy.

Enjoy the firearm....and the history!

(Edit)....wow, look at the replies in the few minutes it took me to type my treatise. FWIW, I also had the 32 acp cylinder, which I never fitted (it takes some gunsmithing) because of the easy cartridge conversion and because there's lots of new ammo being produced. IMHO, don't waste your money on the .32 acp cylinder.

Billy Shears
September 23, 2012, 09:35 PM
For what they cost, there's no reason not to pick one up as a historical curio or a fun shooter, but for self defense... There's really no justification. The caliber is anemic, and as others have remarked, the ammunition availability is spotty, and the DA trigger is so horrendous that one is really limited to single action. It should only be used for self defense if it's all you've got with you at the time. For the same price you can get any number of used guns that will be far better, and for only a little bit more, a used, but very nice S&W Model 10 or something like it that's a genuinely practical self defense pistol.

Sergei Mosin
September 23, 2012, 09:38 PM
I think it'd be interesting to see some penetration testing done, preferably in ballistic gelatin. Any takers?

Edit: found a couple of videos showing that very thing. 21 inches using Prvi Partizan, 18 inches using Fiocchi. Didn't find any using military surplus ammo. Still wouldn't use one for self-defense, but that's more to do with the horrendous DA trigger than the performance of the round (assuming those tests are valid.)

kfinks
September 23, 2012, 09:54 PM
I bought one because it was a pistol to go along with with other military surplus firearms. Most people spend more on junk food in a month or two than the price of the pistol. Get one just because you want it because it is not justifiable otherwise.

AethelstanAegen
September 23, 2012, 10:03 PM
And that cheap ammo is going on 50 years old already.

That's actually incorrect, the batch I got from AIM was from the mid-80s and is great ammo.

As long as it's not you're primary SD gun, it'll work fine. I love mine. I think it's a lot of fun to shoot, there's a ton of history there, and if in a pinch I do think it do the job, especially with the surplus stuff. As others have noted though, don't buy it if you're looking for a good backup SD gun, buy it if you're interested in the history and as a fun range gun. It would work in a crisis as your last resort but really it is in many ways a novelty. That said I love mine and think it's worth every cent I've spent on it.

A Person
September 23, 2012, 10:09 PM
Maybe better than a .22? That is beyond bashing the caliber. I don't buy a gun unless it has SOME use or practical purpose besides fun. I would like to buy a gun only for plinking but I can't afford that. Come on. Could someone give me a reasonable answer? Any ballistic reports on the surplus ammo? Any reports or stories of the rounds wounds or it's effectiveness in combat? ANYTHHING?

AethelstanAegen
September 23, 2012, 11:24 PM
It's definitely better than a .22lr. It's not particularly potent though. As others have noted, less than a .38 special. Probably right around .32 H&R IIRC. Will it stop a threat? Sure, but like with most smaller/less powerful calibers, shot placement will be key and the 1895 Nagant isn't known for being super accurate (you start to get the hang of it though with practice). There are certainly any more revolvers out there much better suited for SD.

The ammo, even the surplus stuff, is relatively expensive. You could stockpile more of a different caliber for cheaper. The surplus ammo is also unreliably available (sometimes you can find it, sometimes you can't) and is drying up.

Positives:
Pistol is cheap
History (you're guaranteed to get one from before 1945)
Reliable
Fun

Negatives:
Ammo is relatively expensive
Surplus ammo supply is hit or miss
Marginal SD round (will work, especially at close range, but not a show stopper)
Antiquated design (even when new, the Nagant revolver was rather behind the times...slow reload, etc)
Very bad D/A

I wouldn't sell mine and if given the option to do over, I'd buy it again but it certainly wouldn't be my first or second choice in a bad situation. If one of the prime purposes of this pistol is SD then you might want to reconsider (it can do it but I wouldn't want to be in the spot where it's my only option). If you're set on a revolver, you can find used .38 special revolvers quite easily. If you want something surplus, then I'd recommend at looking at some of the autoloaders. I particularly like my M57 Yugo Tokarev...cheap (about $200) and fires a very potent round (which can also still be found quite cheaply from many more sources than 7.72x38r).

mgkdrgn
September 24, 2012, 12:47 AM
I sell the Nagant revolvers .. and if you came to me looking for an SD gun they are probably the LAST thing I would point you to.
Fun to play with, but "quirky", and have a gawd awefull trigger pull.

But, if all you have, better than a pointy stick.

Stainz
September 24, 2012, 08:01 AM
Underated door stopper. Still cool revolver, however. Great trigger finger excerciser (Tweak the trigger and you can get down close to 20 lb!). Go with PRVI Partizan ("Hot Shot") ammo for the 1895 Nagant - not .2s - they'll bulge & split. Gunboards.com has a dedicated sub-forum - lots of info - including my old posts.

Stainz

PabloJ
September 24, 2012, 10:31 AM
Those are worse then Pistolet TT30 and TT33 which is actually pretty bad. I do not think those are underrated at all. I would not spend $50 on one if it came in cardboard box with papers in Russian.

CraigC
September 24, 2012, 10:56 AM
I have so many better things to throw $150 at.

unspellable
September 25, 2012, 08:59 PM
The Nagant has two.

1. Tank crews liked it. You could shoot through a pistol port without cylinder gap blast inside the tank and with out hot brass bouncing around from a shell shucker. Since you were hiding behind a thick iron hide, stopping power was less of an issue.

2. It's a seven holer. Makes the odds better when playing Russian roulette.

22-rimfire
September 26, 2012, 12:54 PM
CraigC +1

It is a question of why bother at all?

cougar1717
September 26, 2012, 02:43 PM
The good part of using an 1895 for SD is that you will only need to buy one box of ammo. After the seventh shot, just make sure to throw it boomerang style at your attacker and run.

ahil925
September 26, 2012, 04:45 PM
I got one from SOG when they were still $79. Using .32 H&R and hollow points it could easily be a "man-stopper", is more accurate then me, has 7 shots, is safe to carry fully loaded, and its built like a tank. That said, it is a pain in the ass to feed (ammo & substitutes aren't as cheap and easy to find as other cartridges), the DA pull will leave your hand sore if you shoot more then a few cylinders through it.

A caution on surplus ammo, be sure its actual military stuff and not surplus target ammo. I've seen a few webpages and threads talking about the stuff cropping up from time to time.

Another note, do not attempt to fit a .32 ACP conversion cylinder to one yourself unless you are very comfortable smithing revolvers. I'm out ~$70 and a conversion cylinder because of my ham-handed attempts.

A Person
September 26, 2012, 04:45 PM
Okay. Guess it's decided then, I'm not getting a nagant. Is there a military suprlus handgun that fite THIS Bill?: Doesn't overpenetrate like 7.62x25, has more stopping power than 9x18 Makarov, accurate, reliable, 300 dollars at most? I've asked this question before on a thread and got no good answers, but if I post another thread it will probably get deleted.

mgmorden
September 26, 2012, 05:30 PM
Okay. Guess it's decided then, I'm not getting a nagant. Is there a military suprlus handgun that fite THIS Bill?: Doesn't overpenetrate like 7.62x25, has more stopping power than 9x18 Makarov, accurate, reliable, 300 dollars at most?

That's a tall order. Does it have to be military surplus or is police surplus ok? (I ask only b/c some people might be set on the "historical" aspect of a military gun)

If police is ok look at a S&W Model 10:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/654_910/products_id/411545790

I assume since you asked about the Nagant that a revolver is ok. I own both a Nagant and a S&W Model 64 (basically just a stainless model 10 - otherwise same gun), and the S&W is WORLDS better for what you're asking.

If you can't swing that then they also have the Taurus M82 which is a clone of the same gun. I think the S&W is worth the ~$90 premium, but again, I'd take the Taurus way before the Nagant.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_1059/products_id/411548691/Century+Arms--Used+TAURUS+M82+.38SPL+4%22+Barrel

If you're looking for a semi-auto it gets more difficult to meet your requirements. Costs jump much closer (or above) your limit before all your criteria are met.

PS though: The reason some of your threads have gone missing may be your insistence on the whole "SHTF" theme. They don't like it around here (mostly because for the rational person the whole SHTF scenario is mostly just an imaginary daydream with no rational purpose. Harping on it makes us as a community look paranoid).

A Person
September 26, 2012, 08:50 PM
I didn't mean to say just military surplus, my mind must have been absent on that reply, haha. I will definately consider the Smith and Taurus. I'm probably going to get a used Taurus and spend the rest on ammo, unless someone else has a suggestion.

22-rimfire
September 26, 2012, 09:25 PM
Change that to S&W and you have my approval. :D

Owen Sparks
September 26, 2012, 10:54 PM
Small puncture wounds may turn deadly after a time but in a real gunfight you want immediate stopping power. Only large diamiter bullets can provide that at handgun velocities.

A Person
September 26, 2012, 11:39 PM
I actually meant to put Smith & Taurus, but I meant EITHER the Smith or the Taurus, haha. Around here, used model 10's aren't very common sadly.

ahil925
September 28, 2012, 01:49 PM
Is there a military suprlus handgun that fite THIS Bill?: Doesn't overpenetrate like 7.62x25, has more stopping power than 9x18 Makarov, accurate, reliable, 300 dollars at most?

Your exclusion of 9x18 is kinda limiting, but there do exist handguns that meet your criteria. There are the used Taurus and S&W that other have mentioned, If you can find them in your area for the right price (i sure as hell can't). SOG has Croation PHP MV9 9x19mm for ~$190, CDNN sports has various Taurus and Keltec pistols that meet your power and price. If you're lucky you can find a Ruger P-85 to P-95 for under $300.

Ash
September 28, 2012, 10:55 PM
The Nagant with 32 H&R Mag is a potent revolver, better than a 38S&W - they'd make a good trail revolver.

The Croatian PHP 9mm is a high-cap predecessor to the XD line of handguns, kind of a P38 updated to Beretta 92 standards - a real odd ball but a potent and cheap handgun that will be in really great shape.

natman
September 29, 2012, 04:03 AM
It's effective. There are numerous mass graves containing many thousands sculls with hole in back to prove the point. This along with Walther PPK was used by NKVD execution squads.

Perhaps you'd like to share your technique for getting the guy who broke into your house to assume the position so you can shoot him in the back of the head.

A Nagant would be better than nothing for self defense, but not by much. It's a neat artifact, an interesting side note in the history of revolver development, but for any practical use you'd be far better off with an S&W Model 10.

Ash
September 30, 2012, 07:49 AM
"A Nagant would be better than nothing for self defense, but not by much."

That's an exaggeration to the extreme. A Nagant is far more revolver than nothing, is more powerful than any pocket pistol caliber like 32acp or 380. It has more power than the bulk of revolvers made by S&W or others in 1900. I agree, a S&W Model 10 in 38 Special is better, but not in power. A Nagant in 32H&R has as much power as many 38 Special loads and more power than the once champ 38S&W. It is as or more powerful than the official combat handgun rounds of France, Britain, or Japan in WWII and is superior to the 9mm Makarov or the 32acp - the chosen police round of Europe for almost a century and beats the 38 Colt used by US forces before changing to the 45acp. Who is undergunned by 7 rounds of 38 Special-equivalent ammo? At self-defense distances, a Nagant is fully potent and capable with proper ammo. The revolvers are light, slim, and pretty idiot-proof to boot.

Now, there are many features not ideal with a Nagant. The double action is heavy, clunky, and likely to make you pull your shot. Not a problem in a room or at self-defense distances, but certainly if the baddie is far enough away, single-action is preferable. 7 rounds beats 6 rounds, but reloading a Nagant makes keeping a second one handy a better notion. If 7 rounds don't work, you're screwed with a Nagant. Of course, 6 rounds in a S&W Model 10 aren't going to reload like magic, so if the baddie is the room with you, you're screwed one way or the other. Yet many folks carry snub 38's with 5 rounds that provide no greater power and two fewer rounds than a Nagant and many here recommend some of those revolvers.

The S&W Model 10, especially a good used one, makes a better revolver for many reasons (and price can be very nice). I agree 100% with that. It will have a vastly better trigger, equal or better sights, and has a very solid reputation. Yet, there is nothing weak about the Nagant round. Those who claim otherwise are comparing weak target loads. Considering the Nagant safely fires 32H&R Mag rounds, as a revolver it can be just as powerful as many currently used self-defense rounds, more powerful than many others.

What might I say about how worthless a 12ga shotgun is if I only load it with skeet rounds?

Even so, I would never personally recommend a Nagant revolver for self-defense. Way too many really good 38 Special revolvers are around to recommend a Nagant. The revolver itself has many issues that make it less-than-ideal and frankly I'd say get one of those police-trade in Taurus revolvers, they are the same price but better in most ways than the Nagant. But if the Nagant is to be lambasted because it is weak, then the Mak, Walther PP, or even a S&W Model 10 in 38 S&W are even worse.

natman
September 30, 2012, 02:54 PM
"A Nagant would be better than nothing for self defense, but not by much."

That's an exaggeration to the extreme. A Nagant is far more revolver than nothing, is more powerful than any pocket pistol caliber like 32acp or 380. It has more power than the bulk of revolvers made by S&W or others in 1900. I agree, a S&W Model 10 in 38 Special is better, but not in power. A Nagant in 32H&R has as much power as many 38 Special loads and more power than the once champ 38S&W. It is as or more powerful than the official combat handgun rounds of France, Britain, or Japan in WWII and is superior to the 9mm Makarov or the 32acp - the chosen police round of Europe for almost a century and beats the 38 Colt used by US forces before changing to the 45acp. Who is undergunned by 7 rounds of 38 Special-equivalent ammo? At self-defense distances, a Nagant is fully potent and capable with proper ammo. The revolvers are light, slim, and pretty idiot-proof to boot.

Now, there are many features not ideal with a Nagant. The double action is heavy, clunky, and likely to make you pull your shot. Not a problem in a room or at self-defense distances, but certainly if the baddie is far enough away, single-action is preferable. 7 rounds beats 6 rounds, but reloading a Nagant makes keeping a second one handy a better notion. If 7 rounds don't work, you're screwed with a Nagant. Of course, 6 rounds in a S&W Model 10 aren't going to reload like magic, so if the baddie is the room with you, you're screwed one way or the other. Yet many folks carry snub 38's with 5 rounds that provide no greater power and two fewer rounds than a Nagant and many here recommend some of those revolvers.

The S&W Model 10, especially a good used one, makes a better revolver for many reasons (and price can be very nice). I agree 100% with that. It will have a vastly better trigger, equal or better sights, and has a very solid reputation. Yet, there is nothing weak about the Nagant round. Those who claim otherwise are comparing weak target loads. Considering the Nagant safely fires 32H&R Mag rounds, as a revolver it can be just as powerful as many currently used self-defense rounds, more powerful than many others.

What might I say about how worthless a 12ga shotgun is if I only load it with skeet rounds?

Even so, I would never personally recommend a Nagant revolver for self-defense. Way too many really good 38 Special revolvers are around to recommend a Nagant. The revolver itself has many issues that make it less-than-ideal and frankly I'd say get one of those police-trade in Taurus revolvers, they are the same price but better in most ways than the Nagant. But if the Nagant is to be lambasted because it is weak, then the Mak, Walther PP, or even a S&W Model 10 in 38 S&W are even worse.

I said it was better than nothing. I never commented on the point you disagree with, the power. The power is adequate, if only just so. It's the heavy trigger pull and slow reloading that make it a poor choice for self defense.

In fact if you take a deep breath and re-read my post you'll see that we pretty much agree on the Nagant's suitability. I'm not going to list all it's weaknesses again because you've done a fine job of it.

I''ll just sum it up with this quote:

Even so, I would never personally recommend a Nagant revolver for self-defense. Way too many really good 38 Special revolvers are around to recommend a Nagant.

Not much difference there from mine:

for any practical use you'd be far better off with an S&W Model 10.

Ash
September 30, 2012, 03:16 PM
"A Nagant would be better than nothing for self defense, but not by much."

A rock is better than nothing, but not by much. 7 rounds of ammo as powerful as many 38 Special rounds is hardly "better than nothing but not by much." Reloading a revolver at self-defense ranges? If reloading is a concern, then get a hi capacity 9mm - no revolver works. No revolver reloads all that quickly at self-defense ranges. If 7 rounds was not enough and you have to stop and reload, well, you're up the creek already.

Take a deep breath? Nah, just being objective. That was better than nothing, but perhaps not by much.

CraigC
September 30, 2012, 03:34 PM
It is better than nothing but I'd rather have (and would be better armed with) a good big bore single action. ;)

Ash
September 30, 2012, 08:32 PM
As would I.

The Teacher
March 20, 2013, 02:48 PM
I noticed that no one ever posted chrono data on the milsurp ammo, so I grabbed this info from another forum.

7.62x38r 1970's Surplus
Bullet Weight: 82gr
Muzzle Velocity Avg: 1298 fps
Muzzle Energy: 307 ft/lbs

That's more powerful than .380, and right near 9x18 Makarov. One of the requirements of its design was that it had to take down a horse with a single shot at 25-35 meters. So it's no slouch, but I'd still rather have my .357 when it comes to protecting my backside:)

PabloJ
March 20, 2013, 02:53 PM
I have so many better things to throw $150 at.
I would not spend >$75 on one.

gatorjames85
March 20, 2013, 03:48 PM
7 rounds of ammo as powerful as many 38 Special rounds

There are many high quality SD loadings for .38 special, how many are there for 7.62 Nagant? There are many far better options for self defense, although I would feel better armed than I would with a .25 or .22.

Cosmoline
March 20, 2013, 03:50 PM
It's not ideal, but will work well enough if you have a strong finger. It's extremely durable. I'd want to be using the original FP hot loads for sure.

DPris
March 20, 2013, 04:04 PM
The Russian surplus from J&G I chronographed through one of my Nagants last year averaged 919 FPS.
Fiocchi wasn't much different.
The gun remains a poor choice for SD.
FMJ only, horrendible trigger, indifferent accuracy, extremely awkward & slow reloading process.
I wouldn't count on one to drop a horse with one shot unless the muzzle was resting on its forehead.
Denis

gatorjames85
March 20, 2013, 04:07 PM
:DI still want one, BTW, but that is due to a pathological attraction to outdated and unergonomic firearms that have a hammer and sickle on them.:D

VancMike
March 20, 2013, 04:19 PM
I sold mine to a person with an eastern European accent and a name ending with a vowel. But before I did so, I enjoyed the heck out of it, and shot probably 2-300 rounds through it.

It was reliable, never mis-fired, was slow to re-load, and who wants to shoot a horse anyway?

The Teacher
March 20, 2013, 04:52 PM
The Russian surplus from J&G I chronographed through one of my Nagants last year averaged 919 FPS.
Fiocchi wasn't much different.
The gun remains a poor choice for SD.
FMJ only, horrendible trigger, indifferent accuracy, extremely awkward & slow reloading process.
I wouldn't count on one to drop a horse with one shot unless the muzzle was resting on its forehead.
Denis
The surplus seems to vary based on bullet weight. I've seen two different loads from the surplus. 82gr at 1200-1300fps, and 105-106gr at 800-900fps. The old Fiocchi seems hotter than the new batches as well, but I haven't chrono'd it. Prvi Partisan isn't too peppy either.

Most definitely not an SD weapon unless you have nothing else from which to choose, but I still love shooting them. The target model is scary accurate at 25yds with the soviet B-1 target ammo, but it only averages about 475 fps. That would just make the horse angry. I can't bring myself to shoot my Belgian model. It has such a smooth action, but it's too old and pretty:)

DPris
March 20, 2013, 07:30 PM
The PRVI chronographed at 637 FPS.
Velocities are all over the map in the caliber, but all have some form of a lesser efficient FMJ bullet.
Nowhere did I say not to own one (I still have three), I just maintain they are a piss poor choice for SD. :)
Denis

bainter1212
March 20, 2013, 09:10 PM
Hmm....milsurp handguns.....how about a Star model B in 9mm???? Made in Spain, used by the Nazis, stored, refurbed and sold by the Soviets.

SharpsDressedMan
March 20, 2013, 09:22 PM
Wow! If the Nagant is considered good enough for defense, say similar to a .380, then I might have to re-evaluate the French 1935A 7.65 Long that I have. It bests the Nagant round by 50-100fps with a similar weight bullet.

bainter1212
March 21, 2013, 11:48 AM
I'd like to add....as far as I know, the Nagant revolver is the only revolver that can be suppressed. Cylinder seals to barrel. Makes it a great assassination weapon, because it also doesn't throw brass.

CraigC
March 21, 2013, 12:35 PM
The .32H&R beats it ballistically and with a better bullet. Not to mention VASTLY superior platforms.

PabloJ
March 21, 2013, 12:38 PM
I'd like to add....as far as I know, the Nagant revolver is the only revolver that can be suppressed. Cylinder seals to barrel. Makes it a great assassination weapon, because it also doesn't throw brass.
A .22 with subsonic solid is much better choice.

HB
March 21, 2013, 04:16 PM
If I had the money laying around Id get one. Theyre alot of fun to shoot and I didnt find the trigger pull to be as bad as some say but it does take some getting used to. I've only fired my buddies and it was surprisingly accurate. The recoil is mild and it wasnt hard to keep all my shots in a fist at 10 yards even while firing rapidly. Personally I think it would make a great varmint/squirrel/rabbit gun.

EDIT: where are you guys seeing ANY smith m10 for less than 400 bux? For $100 there is nothing else out there in the revolver world except some clunker .22s.

HB

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