223 projectile choice


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byrnesy94
September 28, 2012, 11:34 AM
G'day all, im just wondering if you all could give me some projie advice for the 223?
I am after 2 seperate projies, for different purposes, the first purpose would be a "big game load" so something with a controlled expansion would be nice, as this will occasionally see use on small pigs. the second load, would be more of a "plinker" and pest control on kangaroos in australia, all headshots, so controlled expansion isnt as important with this load, i will be running it in a 1:12 twist barrel, cheers.

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rcmodel
September 28, 2012, 12:39 PM
1/12 twist limits your choices to 60 grain or lower.

Sierra makes a 63 grain Semi-pointed that should also work well.

As for controled expansion, the Nosler Partition is the gold standard.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/665774/nosler-partition-bullets-22-caliber-224-diameter-60-grain-spitzer-box-of-50

The Barnes TSX bullet in 53 grain FBHP should also preform as well as anything.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/679738/barnes-triple-shock-x-bullets-22-caliber-224-diameter-53-grain-hollow-point-flat-base-lead-free-box-of-50


For best accuracy and violent expansion on head shots, I would look at Hornady V-Max, Nosler Ballistic Tip, or Sierra Blitzking 55 grain.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1165438965/hornady-v-max-bullets-22-caliber-224-diameter-55-grain-flat-base

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1758533930/nosler-ballistic-tip-varmint-bullets-22-caliber-224-diameter-55-grain-spitzer-boat-tail

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1482120762/sierra-blitzking-bullets-22-caliber-224-diameter-55-grain-boat-tail

Of course, I have no idea if you can get any of them in Australia.

rc

readyeddy
September 28, 2012, 03:37 PM
I would use Sierra #1390, 55 gr HPBT Gameking

http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/683244/sierra-gameking-bullets-22-caliber-224-diameter-55-grain-hollow-point-boat-tail-box-of-100

Byron
September 29, 2012, 12:10 PM
Speer 70 grain semi spitzer will be very accurate in 1 in 12.It is a good deer bullet. The Hornady 55 grain SP is a very accurate bullet. Byron

JLDickmon
September 29, 2012, 03:44 PM
I use the Nosler Ballistic Tips in mine.. mainly for coyotes.

R.W.Dale
September 29, 2012, 04:05 PM
The 55g sierra gameking SPBT is cost effective and works well on deer or roo sized game.






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Blackrock
September 29, 2012, 05:17 PM
Midsouth Shooter Supply's house bullets work for me. Use then in my .222, .223 and 22-250.
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000422455VNE500

Hondo 60
September 29, 2012, 09:15 PM
the first purpose would be a "big game load"

With a .223????
The way I see it, hunting with a 223 is cruel for anything larger than a beaver/woodchuck/rockchuck.

The chance of hitting it & having it run off & suffer is too great.

I would hope by "big game" you mean hamsters (rabbits for you American folks).

Just my 2 worth - (YMMV but I hope NOT )

ArchAngelCD
September 30, 2012, 03:16 AM
For a tough bullet I agree with RC, the 60gr Nosler Partition is a good choice.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/665774/nosler-partition-bullets-22-caliber-224-diameter-60-grain-spitzer-box-of-50

For a less expansive bullet that will still work on game I use the 55gr Sierra GameKing #1390. (like readyeddy suggested above) It delivers excellent accuracy gor me and it's a true hunting bullet, not a match bullet so you can take small game with it too.
http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/683244/sierra-gameking-bullets-22-caliber-224-diameter-55-grain-hollow-point-boat-tail-box-of-100

R.W.Dale
September 30, 2012, 01:41 PM
With a .223????
The way I see it, hunting with a 223 is cruel for anything larger than a beaver/woodchuck/rockchuck.

The chance of hitting it & having it run off & suffer is too great.

I would hope by "big game" you mean hamsters (rabbits for you American folks).

Just my 2 worth - (YMMV but I hope NOT )

You my friend are simply misinformed.

I would be more than happy to offer up some education on what controlled expansion bullets in 223 can do but first I'd like to ask if your open minded enough to learn about them before I type up such a post.




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Friendly, Don't Fire!
September 30, 2012, 02:00 PM
I have been shooting 62g Barnes TSX (Triple Shock X) Solid Copper X Bullets which have a very small hollow point and peel back with four razor-sharp leaves.

My rifle has a 1:9 twist.

These bullets apparently are so strong, they will go through most game animals lengthwise.

Between that and the opened-up diameter of at least 200%, I see no problem hunting deer and black bear with my .223

Here, Barnes X Bullets:
http://barnesbullets.myshopify.com/collections/tsxtm-bullet

ole farmerbuck
September 30, 2012, 02:08 PM
Try the 52gr Hornady A-Max. Very accurate and although not quite the blowup on a p-dog, it messes them up perty bad. I know, I know, you guys are gonna tell me they arent for hunting but you should try them first! :D

Hondo 60
September 30, 2012, 06:38 PM
R.W.Dale - I'm ALWAYS willing to learn.

And I realize that when hit in a vital area a .22lr can be deadly.
I just choose to use a larger caliber on deer or larger game.

byrnesy94
September 30, 2012, 09:58 PM
sorry for the late rely guys and thanks for all the suggestions, i will be doing plenty of reading to see what best suits my needs, any more suggestions? the more the better ;)

Some people may find what im writing to be a little graphic, just putting a warning out there just in case.
Hondo 60, i tend to agree with R.W Dale, I have shot wild pigs with a 22 long rifle before, because it was the only rifle capable of being used in a small area close to civilisation, and it was all that was around and the boars was intent on killing family pets, I shot ithem just below the ear, and they dropped, stone dead before they hit the ground. Whilst some people say that this is not an ethical way to kill a pig, in my eyes it was, because shot placement was perfect, and the pigs did not suffer. On the other hand, i have seen a pig shot with a 30-06 4 times, the shooter believed that because of the size of the shot, he wouldnt have to use proper shot placement, and as a result, a lot of the shots were stomach and leg shots, only maiming and prolonging the pain of the pig, in the end, the pig ran close to a kilometer with its guts falling out, before being shot below the ear by a 223, and then the pig died instantly, a cruel way to die. i know which pig i would of preferred to be in those two scenarios, the one that was killed instantly with the 22. I guess that the moral is for me, the size of the caliber does not make up for marksmanship and correct placement of shots, i am confident in my shooting abilities and dont push them beyond the limits to make ethical shots on larger animals, and i just dont see the need to pull out a 308 or 243, if i know i can ethically destroy the pest. sure im not going to go out totally undergunned, i will take a rifle that i know is capable of doing the job properly, quickly and cleanly, there is a need to have the correct firepower. its like scope choice, some people prefer a 4 x and others might like a 6-24 x and in the shooters eyes and combined with their abilities are both able to do exactly the same job if care and consideration is taken and the shooter knows his abilities and practices his shooting to improve. in the end, it all comes down to the shooters ability and confidence confidence in their weapon to take the shot.
You might all see this as a little long winded, but i just thought id share my views on why i wanted a controlled expansion round, Cheers. ;)

Hypnogator
October 1, 2012, 12:58 AM
Don't know about your 1:12, but I just test fired some Hornady 60-gr V-Max bullets on top of 26.2 grs of Varget and put 5 shots into one hole at 25 yds. (I know, not much of a challenge, but the hole was less than 1/2" in diameter!) Used my AR-15 with Compass Lake stainless medcon 16.25" barrel, 1:8, Wylde Chamber.

The best group I got with Prvi Partizan 75-gr factory match loads was more than twice as big. I'll be loading a lot more of those 60-gr Hornadys! :D

ArchAngelCD
October 1, 2012, 02:26 AM
With a 1:12 twist you actually can use a bullet up to 65gr as long as it's not a long bullet like those lead free bullets on the market. My rifle has a 1:12 twist and I have use some 65gr Sierra GameKing bullets but I usually get better results with the Sierra 55gr GameKing bullets. (Part #1390) I can shoot sub 1/2MOA groups @100 years all day long with that bullet in my rifle. @300 yards the groups are still under 1 MOA. The Sierra 60gr Varminter bullet also works well in my rifle but not quite as well as the 55gr GameKing.

I also get good results with a Hornady 55gr V-Max too if you like the polymer tipped bullets better.

hentown
October 1, 2012, 08:19 PM
Don't know if Widener's will ship to Australia, but I just bought 6000 Hornady 55gr. fmjbt @ $.08 each, shipped. Fine for shooting roos in the head.

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