Quality of Tula ammo?


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borrowedtime69
September 28, 2012, 06:10 PM
I am currently shooting Federal blue box, .223 Rem, 55 gr, soft points that have a muzzle velocity booked as 3240 FPS. the only other ammo that fits that i am looking to buy at a lower cost, is a Tula .223 Rem. that matches the 3240 FPS.

My question is, is Tula of a decent quality, knowing ahead of time it wont be all that great, im just looking to match ballistics for a cheaper cost.

Thanks all!

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OARNGESI
September 28, 2012, 06:18 PM
shooting steel case is a personal decision. i shoot tula in a colt ar15 and have never had any issues. buy a couple boxes and try for yourself.

ive shot tula/wolf in 223 5.45 7.62x39 308 45 40 and 9mm in my guns they all worked fiine with the exception of one round of 40 s&w

Warp
September 28, 2012, 06:22 PM
Tula is of sub-par quality. And it isn't just a matter of brass vs steel case, Tula is cheap. Not inexpensive, cheap.

Some people like it for blasting/generic training ammo, others say it's good for practicing malfunction drills.

mboe794
September 28, 2012, 06:49 PM
A buddy of mine picked up some in 45 auto to run throug his XD a few weeks ago. In just a few mags he had maybe three failures to fire. The gun, however, is new to him, so I suppose there is an outside chance of it being a gun related problem. I'm betting not though. At least one of the rounds was chambered a second time and still did not fire. I personally think Tula is just plain junk.

blahpony
September 28, 2012, 06:55 PM
I've used Tula 9mm. I had a FTF with one round out of 1000. Just a small puff of smoke at the back of the gun.

It's not the cleanest ammo, either.

Flashcube
September 28, 2012, 09:20 PM
Run thousands of rounds of the stuff through my M1A, FAL, PTR, AR, VZ58, AK, 1911s, ect, ect... I had one round blow the primer out of it's pocket and jam up the FAL, but that was the only failure I've ever seen with it. (Still not sure how it even happened...)

It's about all I feed my rifles these days. Even my CZ 527 likes it, every round seems to chamber and extract the same... not so much with the white-box Russian.

Warp
September 28, 2012, 09:31 PM
I should mention...I buy TulAmmo for my Glocks. I guy anything and everything for them. TulAmmo, Brown Bear, Silver Bear, whatever. Runs just fine.

But in an AR...doesn't seem to do as well.

JonathanE
September 28, 2012, 09:47 PM
Tula 223 in my Del-Ton kit (good cheap ammo in a good cheap rifle!) is great. 55gr HP or FMJ. I've never had a failure to feed or eject, and never had one fail to fire. They shoot (in my barrel anyway) consistantly tighter groups than American Eagle, Federal 193s, or Lake City 855s.

fatcat4620
September 28, 2012, 10:15 PM
If you want to match ballistics at a cheaper cost then shoot the heck out of some tula and never back.

browningguy
September 28, 2012, 10:23 PM
As with most things, you get what you pay for. Tula is the cheapest ammo you can buy most of the time, dirty and usually not very consistant. If all you do is blast away and hope most of them go bang then it will be suitable.

fatcat4620
September 28, 2012, 11:16 PM
As with most things, you get what you pay for. Tula is the cheapest ammo you can buy most of the time, dirty and usually not very consistant. If all you do is blast away and hope most of them go bang then it will be suitable.
I have never had a tula round fail to go off. Maybe it only happens in teir 1 guns?

Swampman
September 28, 2012, 11:26 PM
I don't know about .223, but my understanding is that the Tula USA 7.62x39 currently coming into the US is actually being manufactured at the Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant. They have a much better reputation for quality ammunition than the Tula factory.

stubbicatt
September 29, 2012, 06:46 AM
I had one pierced primer in a Tula 7.62x39 round. Bought 1 box to try. The Uly is good ammo, the stuff I shot was pretty sooty.

Ignition Override
September 29, 2012, 07:00 AM
Is Tula 7.62x39 considered less reliable than Wolf or Monarch? After about 500 rds., there is no difference in my Norinco SKS.
I don't use Tula in other guns (.308, or M2 Ball: not available) because it is not reloadable, if produced in those calibers.

I've never had a single ftf in this SKS with the Tula, or over 2,000 rds of Wolf and Monarch. But in the older Ruger Mini 30, about one round in every two or three boxes needed a second pin strike, and this is a well-known characteristic of the hard primers in soft US guns.
Maybe none of our rifles have free-floating firing pins.

jackblack86
September 29, 2012, 07:08 AM
shoot tula all the time very happy with it

meanmrmustard
September 29, 2012, 07:11 AM
Is Tula 7.62x39 considered less reliable than Wolf or Monarch? After about 500 rds., there is no difference in my Norinco SKS.
I don't use Tula in other guns (.308, or M2 Ball: not available) because it is not reloadable, if produced in those calibers.

I've never had a single ftf in this SKS with the Tula, or over 2,000 rds of Wolf and Monarch. But in the older Ruger Mini 30, about one round in every two or three boxes needed a second pin strike, and this is a well-known characteristic of the hard primers in soft US guns.
Maybe none of our rifles have free-floating firing pins.
Not with this shooter. It runs just fine. No malfunctions.

But, then again, I'm shooting it out of a Maadi, so ill probably NEVER see a malfunction! It's also fairly accurate, too.

But, I could see where an AR15 would choke on steel.

BemidjiDweller
September 29, 2012, 07:13 AM
I just finished my first case of 7.62x39 TULA, ran perfectly fine in my AK. I've shot the 9mm stuff too and it worked.

meanmrmustard
September 29, 2012, 07:17 AM
Tula is of sub-par quality.
1/2" at 100 out of my Mini Mauser, doesn't seem "sub-par". No malfunctions out of a WASR or Maadi. Maybe it's the rifle you are using?

aka108
September 29, 2012, 09:55 AM
I would like to try some Tula but have so much Wolf that I purchased when it was under a hundred bucks a case as well a cases of Barnaul that I'll probably never even get thru. Might pick up a few boxes of Tula at the next gun show just to give it a go.

mberoose
September 29, 2012, 10:15 AM
Just remember, if it doesn't run right, blame the ammo, not the gun. Nevermind all the people that run it without issue, it's the ammo's fault!!!!

......

Tula/Wolf is fine for range duty. People knock its' accuracy like they're expecting match-grade, but at 5 bucks for a box of 20 (.223 or 7.62x39), I'd look more closely at those peoples' expectations & delusions of grandeur than the ammo. You get what you pay for. Sure, once in a great while you may get one that's a little underpowered that causes a stovepipe, but I've shot thousands and thousands of rounds of the stuff in various calibers without it driving me nuts with malfunctions or issues, even the pistol calibers. Sure, it's dirtier, but.....I clean my guns, so it makes no difference.

Fiv3r
September 29, 2012, 10:33 AM
I've shot the 9mm, .45 apc, and .223 Tula with no issues. My Glocks and Stag cycle it just fine. Not the most accurate, but I'm not the best shot anyway:neener: It is a dirtier ammo, but not enough to bother me. The Glocks love it, and it's all my AR has ever eaten short of a few more premium boxes of ammo when Walmart was out of Tula in .223.

The only thing I have had a problem with is Tula .380. My LCP hates it. I probably had 4 light primer strikes out of a box of 50.

But yeah, I wouldn't hesitate to feed it to my rifles. I see an SKS in my near future, and it'll be fed Russian slop too probably:evil:

friscolatchi
September 29, 2012, 11:35 AM
Never had a problem with pistol caliber product. 30 cal carbine does plug up the gas block in my Universal, circa 70's.

fireflyfather
September 29, 2012, 11:54 AM
I've had VERY good luck with tula (wolf) primers. Wolf Gold ammo was good quality also, but that's their line of brass-cased ammo. Their jacketed bullets for reloading have been at least decent, but the rifle I shot those out of is 2.5 MOA on a good day, so it's hard to say.

Cluster Bomb
September 29, 2012, 12:25 PM
Tula and Wolf are both dirty ammo. but people shoot it all the time. If you buy it in bulk it is defiantly worth it for the range time.

wally
September 29, 2012, 03:24 PM
I've not had any issues with Tula or Wolf. Don't find it all that dirty either and I bet I clean my guns a lot less often than most.

Its pretty much all I shoot since I can't reload for what it costs, rarely shoot over 100 yards, and would rather shoot more shots at larger targets than fewer at smaller targets so 2-3 MOA is fine my steel plates and 2-liter plastic bottles.

In my experience there is not a lick of difference amoung the Russian steel cased ammo -- buy what cheapest unless you want a particular bullet FMJ, JHP, or SP its all 2-3 MOA at best in a quality rifle.

Warp
September 29, 2012, 04:09 PM
1/2" at 100 out of my Mini Mauser, doesn't seem "sub-par". No malfunctions out of a WASR or Maadi. Maybe it's the rifle you are using?

I never said I was using it in my rifles.

(I'm not)

I'd love to see some more information and evidence for TulAmmo legitimately shooting 1/2" at 100 yards.

The last time I heard something that amazing it turned out to be a single "3 round group with 1 flyer" (seriously)

MAKster
September 29, 2012, 06:26 PM
I've been shooting the Tula .223 for $5 a box. In my experience it has more oomph than the Remington ammo in the green and white box.

meanmrmustard
September 29, 2012, 07:24 PM
I never said I was using it in my rifles.

(I'm not)

I'd love to see some more information and evidence for TulAmmo legitimately shooting 1/2" at 100 yards.

The last time I heard something that amazing it turned out to be a single "3 round group with 1 flyer" (seriously)
Bolt rifle. Interarms Mini Mark X, Tula 55 gr. fmj. Still nasty accurate at 100, for crap ammo.

What rifle are you shooting it out of? Seems to me it might be finicky, even for steel cased.

Warp
September 29, 2012, 10:51 PM
Bolt rifle. Interarms Mini Mark X, Tula 55 gr. fmj. Still nasty accurate at 100, for crap ammo.

What rifle are you shooting it out of? Seems to me it might be finicky, even for steel cased.

I haven't personally shot it out of anything.

This is one of those things where I learn via the experience of others, sometimes witnessed first hand. I don't have enough money to go taking chances on products I don't have a good reason to believe are worth my money. ;)

M1key
September 29, 2012, 11:32 PM
Just bought several boxes of Tula 223 at my local Walmart. I plan on pulling the bullets, dumping the powder, reloading with my favorite powder charge and bullet, then shooting it out of my Saiga. Muy bueno..:cool:

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pseudonymity
September 29, 2012, 11:48 PM
I shoot quite a bit of it in 7.62x39, 9mm and .223. About the only problem I have seen is the bolt failing to lock back on the last round occasionally on the AR. Not surprisingly, the P95 and SKS feed and fire the ammo as reliably as any other.

I have to agree about the soot factor though - even the SKS gets pretty dark inside after shooting Tula, and the inside of the AR is almost as black as the outside after about 100 rounds. I can not really say it is dirty though - not like a .22lr autoloader where the grunge fills up the action - the Tula is just a really, really fine coating like candle soot.

OilyPablo
September 30, 2012, 12:17 AM
Here's my take.

Of the Russian ammo, I think the Bear series Gold-Silver-Brown is pretty darn good ammo.

Tula and Wolf handgun ammo sucks. Period. Way too many failures. The 7.62 x 39 seems to be a bit more reliable, but I still like the way Bear ammo works.

fatcat4620
September 30, 2012, 12:22 AM
Here's my take.

Of the Russian ammo, I think the Bear series Gold-Silver-Brown is pretty darn good ammo.

Tula and Wolf handgun ammo sucks. Period. Way too many failures. The 7.62 x 39 seems to be a bit more reliable, but I still like the way Bear ammo works.
All the russian type ammo comes from the same few factories. You have to make sure it came from the better factories regardless of the name stamped on it.

meanmrmustard
September 30, 2012, 12:23 AM
I haven't personally shot it out of anything.

This is one of those things where I learn via the experience of others, sometimes witnessed first hand. I don't have enough money to go taking chances on products I don't have a good reason to believe are worth my money. ;)
How can you ever live and learn without the leap buddy!

In all fairness, .223 Tula in my bolt rifle isn't really a reliability tester, and its accurate even with Russian cheapo stuff. My AKs eat everything, most do.

So, would it work in your 6920? Maybe.
7.62x39 shoots great, but outta an AK. Not sure about an SKS or AR with 762 upper.

So, I won't be using it in straight wall cartridge configuration in a SA rifle, only tapered chamberings in steel for me!

OilyPablo
September 30, 2012, 12:32 AM
Ask the russian type ammo comes from the same few factories. You have to make sure it came from the better factories regardless of the name stamped on it.

I'm not 100% sure that is the case from what I read. There are separate factories for the brands we see.

Warp
September 30, 2012, 01:56 AM
How can you ever live and learn without the leap buddy!

In all fairness, .223 Tula in my bolt rifle isn't really a reliability tester, and its accurate even with Russian cheapo stuff. My AKs eat everything, most do.

So, would it work in your 6920? Maybe.
7.62x39 shoots great, but outta an AK. Not sure about an SKS or AR with 762 upper.

So, I won't be using it in straight wall cartridge configuration in a SA rifle, only tapered chamberings in steel for me!

It may very well work in my 6920. But I like it staying 100% reliable and if I were to have any kind of malfunction, even shooting Tula, I would not be happy and I would not be happy blaming the ammo...even though it probably would be the ammo.

Every time I look at the price I am so seriously tempted, but I haven't caved yet

Swampman
September 30, 2012, 03:05 AM
I see a lot of people bashing Russian ammo in general and Wolf in particular. Understand that Wolf is NOT an ammunition manufacturing company. There's no factory in Minsk or Moscow with a big Wolf flag flying out front where thousands of loyal Wolf employees go to work everyday.

Wolf is a MARKETING company, they talk to whoever controls different ammunition producing factories, find the lowest bidder and contract for that factory to produce "X" number of rounds with the "Wolf" headstamp for "Y" number of Rubles, Dollars or Euros. Wolf doesn't produce crappy ammo, Wolf simply sells what they get by purchasing stuff from the lowest bidder!
As I posted earlier, the Tula ammo you buy at your local Wally World might or might not have been produced at the Tula Factory. TulAmmo is also a MARKETING company, they sell "Tula" primers as well as ammunition. The Tula Arms Plant doesn't even MAKE any primers. They buy them from the Murom Apparatus Producing Plant, just like TulAmmo does.

Russian ammo plants are capable of producing excellent ammunition, witness their 7n1 and 7n14 sniper rounds, they aren't however, likely to produce them when they're competing on a "lowest bidder" basis.

Have you noticed that sealed primers and case mouths are getting rare? Most manufacturers have also stopped using lacquer coated cases in favor of the new "improved" self rusting "poly" case coating. The Russians didn't stop doing these things on their own, they stopped doing them because the people buying the ammo told them to so that they could sell it cheaper!

baylorattorney
September 30, 2012, 03:08 AM
1000's of rounds with no failures or fouling. I'm happier for it. :))

meanmrmustard
September 30, 2012, 09:37 AM
It may very well work in my 6920. But I like it staying 100% reliable and if I were to have any kind of malfunction, even shooting Tula, I would not be happy and I would not be happy blaming the ammo...even though it probably would be the ammo.

Every time I look at the price I am so seriously tempted, but I haven't caved yet
No, I wouldn't bother with it in the 6920. If it failed, I'd almost bet my bottom dollar it's because of extraction.

If you cave, make sure it's in 762x39 and you have an AK nearby.

Roadking Rider
September 30, 2012, 10:49 AM
The only gun I use Tulammo in is my SKS

the count
September 30, 2012, 07:46 PM
Here is my lowdown on Russian .223 ammo. My AR is a recent model Stag Arns. Have used Wolf, Tula and Ulyanosk. Who knows, they might all be made in the same factory. As far as reliability, they all go bang. I may have had a misfire in the last 3 years, not sure. Jams, no more or less than with brass ammo. Accuracy, does not come close to quality brass ammo (bought or hand loaded). I use the stuff for action rifle shooting which is usually in the 15-75 yard range using Ipsic targets. Works good enough for this purpose.

Warp
September 30, 2012, 07:52 PM
Here is my lowdown on Russian .223 ammo. My AR is a recent model Stag Arns. Have used Wolf, Tula and Ulyanosk. Who knows, they might all be made in the same factory. As far as reliability, they all go bang. I may have had a misfire in the last 3 years, not sure. Jams, no more or less than with brass ammo. Accuracy, does not come close to quality brass ammo (bought or hand loaded). I use the stuff for action rifle shooting which is usually in the 15-75 yard range using Ipsic targets. Works good enough for this purpose.

How frequently is that?

What brass ammo?

the count
September 30, 2012, 08:02 PM
How frequently is that?

What brass ammo?
Brass ammo: Mainly PMC and my own hand loads (55grain). Jams: maybe once every 10 -20mags. Hard to say. Had a SIG 556 for a couple years. Also no problem with Russian stuff. But remember, every gun is different. Even the same model from the same manufacturer.

Note: Many times the magazine is the one causing the jam.

Warp
September 30, 2012, 08:16 PM
Brass ammo: Mainly PMC and my own hand loads (55grain). Jams: maybe once every 10 -20mags. Hard to say. Had a SIG 556 for a couple years. Also no problem with Russian stuff. But remember, every gun is different. Even the same model from the same manufacturer.

Note: Many times the magazine is the one causing the jam.

I would consider that an unacceptable frequency of malfunctions and would be sorely disappointed in my rifle or ammo/magazine.

the count
September 30, 2012, 08:23 PM
I would consider that an unacceptable frequency of malfunctions and would be sorely disappointed in my rifle or ammo/magazine.
Hey Warp, reality check here. I shoot action rifle and action pistol several times a month. Usually there are like 20-30 participants with all kinds of ammo and guns. On average I would say 1-3 guys have some kind of malfunction during the competition. And these are people who know what they are doing....

Warp
September 30, 2012, 08:29 PM
Hey Warp, reality check here. I shoot action rifle and action pistol several times a month. Usually there are like 20-30 participants with all kinds of ammo and guns. On average I would say 1-3 guys have some kind of malfunction during the competition. And these are people who know what they are doing....

Okay?

I would still consider a jam every 10-20 magazines unacceptable. You may not. Getting that kind of failure rate using PMC Bronze would be especially concerning, to me. I would question the dependability of my rifle.

BUT my rifle's primary purpose is defensive. For the purposes of a game where your score is all that a malfunctioning rifle can negatively impact that might be perfectly acceptable. I don't know. That is for you to decide, not me.

This is why I prefer to state rates of malfunctions quantitatively, with as much supporting information as possible (type of rifle, ammo, magazines, specific malfunction, etc), and not a subjective opinion based "acceptable rate of malfunctions", or whatever, that other people don't really know the definition of.

meanmrmustard
September 30, 2012, 09:00 PM
Okay?

I would still consider a jam every 10-20 magazines unacceptable. You may not. Getting that kind of failure rate using PMC Bronze would be especially concerning, to me. I would question the dependability of my rifle.

BUT my rifle's primary purpose is defensive. For the purposes of a game where your score is all that a malfunctioning rifle can negatively impact that might be perfectly acceptable. I don't know. That is for you to decide, not me.

This is why I prefer to state rates of malfunctions quantitatively, with as much supporting information as possible (type of rifle, ammo, magazines, specific malfunction, etc), and not a subjective opinion based "acceptable rate of malfunctions", or whatever, that other people don't really know the definition of.
For a defensive rifle, 10-20 mags worth (whatever round count that equates to) isn't horrible. But, when is that malfunction going to occur? On mag #10, or later?

Point I'm making is this: If the rifle chokes using steel, but not brass, it's probably ammo related. If it chokes at some point with either, the rifle may suck...at a time when your life hangs by a thread.

I'm with Warp on this one. My AKs shoot Tula no questions asked, and I don't bother with anything but brass in ARs. This has worked, and I don't change a good thing.

JRWhit
September 30, 2012, 09:10 PM
A box of 9mm Tula cost $12 for 50 rds. It's cheap and it fires. You can get cheap or quality, if you want both start reloading.

Warp
September 30, 2012, 10:08 PM
For a defensive rifle, 10-20 mags worth (whatever round count that equates to) isn't horrible.

I think it is.

I'll be sure to remember your position on this the next time AR15 manufacturers become a point of contention/comparison, though.

I'm a little under 700 rounds into my new AR15. That's 20+ magazines (at 30 rounds each) without any kind of hiccup whatsoever...and I'd still like to get more through it before really coming to any definitive conclusion. If it had 2 malfunctions (or even 1, honestly) during that time I would be quite unhappy.

OilyPablo
September 30, 2012, 10:17 PM
My buddy bought a case of Tula 9mm. Man that must have been the Russian Bugs Bunny factory. Seriously, maybe 10-15 out of every box was a dud.

OTOH I bought some 9mm labeled "9mm Luger Sport" JSC NOVOSIBIRSK CARTRIDGE PLANT 30A Stantsionnaya Street NOVOSIBIRSK, Russia. Copper plated steel cases, copper plated lead with steel core bullets. Both bullets and primers are sealed. Shoots like +P. No problems.

meanmrmustard
September 30, 2012, 11:02 PM
I think it is.

I'll be sure to remember your position on this the next time AR15 manufacturers become a point of contention/comparison, though.

I'm a little under 700 rounds into my new AR15. That's 20+ magazines (at 30 rounds each) without any kind of hiccup whatsoever...and I'd still like to get more through it before really coming to any definitive conclusion. If it had 2 malfunctions (or even 1, honestly) during that time I would be quite unhappy.
Please reread my post before assuming I find that amount of malfunctions acceptable. And what that has to do with manufacturers means nothing; I don't use steel in ARs, period. I don't trust any of them enough to warrant the use of straight walled steel cartridges, they're just too fragile of a design.

You'd have seen I agreed with your point had you not been so quick to argue, again. It doesn't matter if its the tenth mag or any one after the hundredth; if you take the chance to use a steel cased cartridge in a rifle that DOESN'T like it, you risk failure at a pivotal moment.

Does that explain my point? Or do we need, yet again, to throw gauntlets? All things man made at some point WILL fail. Period.

Warp
September 30, 2012, 11:05 PM
Please reread my post before assuming I find that amount of malfunctions acceptable. And what that has to do with manufacturers means nothing; I don't use steel in ARs, period. I don't trust any of them enough to warrant the use of straight walled steel cartridges, they're just too fragile of a design.

You'd have seen I agreed with your point had you not been so quick to argue, again. It doesn't matter if its the tenth mag or any one after the hundredth; if you take the chance to use a steel cased cartridge in a rifle that DOESN'T like it, you risk failure at a pivotal moment.

Does that explain my point? Or do we need, yet again, to throw gauntlets? All things man made at some point WILL fail. Period.


You explained your point. I went back and read through everything again, making sure to note when the count guy was posting and when you were posting (conversations were intertwined, and I generally pay very little attention to WHO I am talking to, rather than what is being said)

We seem to be in agreement

meanmrmustard
September 30, 2012, 11:09 PM
You explained your point. I went back and read through everything again, making sure to note when the count guy was posting and when you were posting (conversations were intertwined, and I generally pay very little attention to WHO I am talking to, rather than what is being said)

We seem to be in agreement
Indeed we are.

carbine85
October 1, 2012, 09:43 AM
If I'm not mistaken Wolf and Tulammo may or may not be the same product. Tula makes ammo for several importers and Wolf buys from several manufacturers. Some of the Tula ammo in production now are getting great good reviews.

Swampman
October 2, 2012, 11:25 PM
Quote:
"OTOH I bought some 9mm labeled "9mm Luger Sport" JSC NOVOSIBIRSK CARTRIDGE PLANT 30A Stantsionnaya Street NOVOSIBIRSK, Russia. Copper plated steel cases, copper plated lead with steel core bullets. Both bullets and primers are sealed. Shoots like +P. No problems."

Pablo,
Are you sure those are steel core bullets and not just copper washed steel jackets? Importing steel core handgun ammo for sale to the general public is a MAJOR Federal no no.

gotboostvr
October 3, 2012, 12:10 AM
I've had more ammo related problems with PMC bronze in various calibers than I've had in twice as many rounds of Tula in just as many calibers. It's about all that one of my 9mm's get and I've shot a good amount of it through my BCM for up close practice. Never a jam in my AR, and I'm more inclined to blame the mag for the one jam in my 2nd gen smith and Wesson. I had a failure to feed on the first round ever out of a 25 rd promag. Hasn't hiccuped since on Tula. Blazer aluminum though is a different story.

OilyPablo
October 3, 2012, 12:29 AM
Pablo,
Are you sure those are steel core bullets and not just copper washed steel jackets? Importing steel core handgun ammo for sale to the general public is a MAJOR Federal no no.

You might have a point. They are super magnetic and I did not cut into one. Odd though, I did have some Chinese 9mm ammo that was steel core for sure - I didn't know it was another crazy firearm/ammo law non-no!

Swampman
October 6, 2012, 03:42 AM
I can't recall exactly when the ban on AP handgun ammo went into effect, but back in the 80s I used to buy Czech steel core, steel jacketed 9mm by the case. I can't recall exactly what the prices were, but it was dirt cheap, enough so that as a poor college student, I'd sometimes shoot a couple hundred rounds a day.

It's been a while since they imported much ammo from China, what you had was probably pre ban.

In any case, it's still legal under Federal law for civilians to possess legally imported or manufactured AP handgun ammo. Just make darn sure you don't commit any crimes while in possession of it!

Shootenbulls
November 23, 2012, 09:13 PM
I run what ever I can get for a low price out of both my glock and del-ton ar, which 90% of the time is walmart bought tula, I never have had a failure of any kind. As for accuracy not sure if can render a real fact as if it is or is not. I am by no means a competitive gun shooter, only a recreational shooter. I am far more concerned in hitting a human siloutte target for defense purpose, and it does that just fine for me. I spend far more fine tuning my target archery rig to stress myself over another shooting sport, not to mention my wife would probably have me commited or kick me out. JMHO

TechBrute
November 23, 2012, 10:13 PM
Two boxes of .380: 3 failures to fire, one failure to feed. Guns were Keltec and Kahr.
Six boxes of 9mm: 1 failure to fire. Guns were Glock and M&P.
One box of 9mm: around 10-15 failures to feed. Gun was Glock.
All of it: nasty. Seemed (subjectively) dirtier than the usual WWB, PMC, etc.

I guess I'm just a statistical outlier, since all these people have shot "thousands of rounds" without any problems.

My experience is that when people buy stuff, they will defend it on the Internet, regardless, because no one wants to buy turds. So, of course whatever they buy is great.

The above is my own personal experience on two different range sessions with 5 different guns, two shooters.

wally
November 24, 2012, 05:37 PM
My experience is that when people buy stuff, they will defend it on the Internet, regardless, because no one wants to buy turds

Yup, my Glock failed, must be that the ammo is crap!

Shoot what you want, and assume your gun is fine if it fails with "cheap" ammo, but if you survive the first month of TEOTWAWKI you'll be thrilled to find ammo as "good" as Tula or Wolf.

The "Box of Truth" thought 9mm Wolf was the best of the cheap ammo: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu6.htm

primalmu
November 24, 2012, 05:50 PM
I just shot 2 boxes of TulAmmo through my new CZ75. The only issue I had was a single stove pipe in the first mag. I'll gladly buy it for practice, especially since, for me, its as accurate as anything I've shot (though I'm sure that my mediocre skills do more damage to my accuracy at the moment than ammo quality).

zoom6zoom
November 24, 2012, 06:42 PM
Just ran 100 rounds of Tula 223 through my SIG551A1, not a problem to be seen. It prefers 62 grain for accuracy, but this stuff wasn't far enough behind t make much difference.

SilentScream
November 24, 2012, 08:02 PM
I've shot thousands of rounds of Tula from 9mm to .30 Carbine and of course 7.62X39 Can't say I've ever had any kind of malfunction from it.

Cee Zee
November 24, 2012, 08:36 PM
If you just like to hear your rifle go bang then it's ok ammo. If you actually want to hit what you're shooting at then not so much. I don't use it in m .223 at all. But then my .223 is a single shot, bolt action varmint rifle. Everything cycles in that rifle but not everything will shoot a tight group at 500 yards like some other ammo I have.

InkEd
November 24, 2012, 08:43 PM
I have run thousands of rounds of Tula 9mm and a fair bit in .45acp

Theyeave your gun FILTHY but otherwise work fine enough for the price. No FTF or FTE.

CornCod
November 24, 2012, 09:15 PM
I have shot a lot of Tula 7.62X39 and 9mm. I don't recall any jams or duds. That being said I would use something else for self-defense ammo out of the 9mm. I shot the 7.62X39 out of an unconverted Saiga and a Yugo M70 clone. I shot the 9mm out of a Ruger SR-9 and a Mk. II Browning Hi-Power. Tula represents a good value for practice ammo.

Sky
November 24, 2012, 09:23 PM
I shoot the 7.62x39 Tula 123g and 154g SP in SkSs, AKs, and one AR all the time. I will say that the 154g is inconsistent at 300 yards in all the aforementioned rifles. I used to wonder if the measured their powder by volume or weight and believed they were not to particular with either method?? Rounds on target or there abouts and the next one maybe 60 yards short at 327 yards. However, out to about 125 yards the 154g is accurate enough and has enough pop to just about knock over a ford pickup ( Texas tale ) and will kill a rather large pig in his tracks within that range. I like the stuff for brush hunting and when I believe the Piggy's will be not to far and not to close but just right. Otherwise I use the trusted 5.56 if I need longer accuracy. Just my experience. The Yugo 7.62x39 was/is some of the more accurate ammo I have shot through those weapons but the supply has dried up, glad I bought a hand full a while back.

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