The new 44spcl Bulldog's (what you think?)


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Float Pilot
September 29, 2012, 12:25 AM
Has anyone goofed with or own one of the new 44 Special Charter Arms Bulldogs ?

I am thinking about getting another light weight pocket size blaster...

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millertyme
September 29, 2012, 12:51 AM
I watched a Youtube review on one from a guy who has posted several other helpful reviews. He didn't care for it.

firesky101
September 29, 2012, 02:14 AM
My father bought one as his carry gun. I have shot it quite a bit and am impressed enough to put it on my buy one soon list.

Dlowe167
September 29, 2012, 03:09 AM
I own and carry one. Great shooters. I have the pug,excellent thump. $2.50 a shot. Only regret not getting the crimson trace version. Enjoy!

Lawdawg45
September 29, 2012, 09:40 AM
I've carried a Bulldog in one form or another for 20+ years:cool:

LD

j1
September 29, 2012, 09:59 AM
One thing I could never understand and still cannot is why anyone would buy a 44 Special instead of a 44 Magnum. How much can the difference in weight be and the magnum gives one so many more options when it comes to powerful loads. I DO understand why the special might be and is a better carry load.

Same story diffent channel. If buying just one revolver i would buy a 357 magnum not a 38. I can still shoot the entire gamut of 38 loads and the magnum cannot be that much heavier.

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
September 29, 2012, 10:46 AM
Because Charter don' make a Bulldog in 44 mag.

Gordon
September 29, 2012, 11:35 AM
AND nobody seems to like to shoot the bigger and heavier scandium model 29 S&W with mag loads !:neener:

josephbw
September 29, 2012, 12:03 PM
I bought a CA Bulldog early this year and I really like it. It's my carry gun on the tractor and in the woods. It takes a little while to figure out the sights, but it's accurate and fun to shoot once you do. :D

David E
September 29, 2012, 12:32 PM
One thing I could never understand and still cannot is why anyone would buy a 44 Special instead of a 44 Magnum.

Do you know what a Charter Arms Bulldog is?

Your assessment makes sense with full size guns, but not so much with the compact and/or lightweight guns.

If buying just one revolver i would buy a 357 magnum not a 38. I can still shoot the entire gamut of 38 loads and the magnum cannot be that much heavier.

Full size, yes. Compact? If I had to decide between a 14.5 oz 642 chambered in .38 Special for $400 or an 11 oz 342 Scandium .357 for $650, I'm getting the 642. If I didn't have to pay for it, it'd be the 342, but I'd never load magnums in it.

Jaymo
September 29, 2012, 12:56 PM
Depends on whether I need/want to shoot mags or spls.
Generally, magnums are not as accurate with spl ammo as spls are. There's about 1/8" more bullet jump when shooting spls in a mag cyl than when shooting spls in spl cyls.

Besides, nobody makes a .44 mag the size and weight of a Charter Bulldog. If they did, nobody would be willing to shoot it.

Float Pilot
September 29, 2012, 02:44 PM
why anyone would buy a 44 Special instead of a 44 Magnum

Because the little 5 shot 44 special Bulldog is light weight and only slightly larger than a 5 shot 38 special snub-nose.
It is a pocket gun not a range gun...

As an Alaskan, I already have all sorts of large magnum handguns. The smallest thing I have is a 4 inch Python.

I was just thinking about a little jacket pocket gun for trips into town....

But so far the new Chjarter Arms don't sound much better than the old ones.

Maybe I will just go buy a KAHR 40 cal belly gun... I just like little revolvers better for jacket pockets. But I was used a 38 Special in a real situation and was not impressed with the results.

lowercase
September 29, 2012, 02:45 PM
I'd get one.

I have (and like) the same-sized Mag Pug .357, and only bought it over the Bulldog because of the cheaper and more common ammo.

I'd actually like the Bulldog more because it doesn't have a ported barrel which I don't particularly care for on a snub-nosed revolver.

Recommend getting Pachmayr Compac™ grips, as they look better than the stock ones and have decent ergonomics.

If not for my current S&W buying spree, I would already own one. Light, reliable, and a lot of THUMP for a small revolver.

snooperman
September 29, 2012, 07:45 PM
I have one I bought about 30 years ago, and it gives me a piece of mind just looking at those big 220 gr lead bullets. A very reliable man stopper.

Float Pilot
September 29, 2012, 08:36 PM
A few folks have recommended a S&W 696 44 special. I do not think I have ever seen one... I wonder how big and heavy they are...???

HOW ABOUT THE TAURUS model 445 in 44 special It supposedly weighs 22 onces.....????

joneb
September 30, 2012, 01:33 AM
A few folks have recommended a S&W 696 44 special. I do not think I have ever seen one... I wonder how big and heavy they are...???

The 696 is the same size as the 686 it just has bigger holes and a 5 rnd cylinder instead of six. IIRC the 696 weighs about 34oz unloaded.

sgt127
September 30, 2012, 01:35 AM
I have a 696. I'll try and get a picture up tomorrow. But, its very much a belt gun. 3" L frame. Its pretty chunky.

And, out of production for years. Pretty pricey now. If you can find one, you may be looking at around $800 for a nice one.

Float Pilot
September 30, 2012, 01:54 AM
The 696 is the same size as the 686 it just has bigger holes and a 5 rnd cylinder instead of six. IIRC the 696 weighs about 34oz unloaded.

I have a 696. I'll try and get a picture up tomorrow. But, its very much a belt gun. 3" L frame. Its pretty chunky.


Oh,,, so there would be no huge carry advantage over my 4 inch Python.

Even my old 2.5 inch model 19 was not exactly the worlds smallest revolver. Too bad I shot it and it's two sisters to death... Oh for the days of free issue ammo.

Now that I am getting to be an old geezer, I just need a little suprise for trips to the bad city...

Drail
September 30, 2012, 01:58 AM
Or more in some places. I have been seeing some sell at $1000 or more. Been carrying a 696 daily since 1996 and it is not a lightweight gun but with a good belt and holster it is really not bad. The 696 was IMO the best idea S&W has had in many years. The market was not big enough for S&W apparently. .44 Spl. is one of our greatest cartridges.

sgt127
September 30, 2012, 02:04 AM
You might want to go look at a Ruger SP-101. I'm getting the feeling you just may be a revolver guy. I carry a 3" Model 65 alot of the time, since those are out of production, they too are getting pricey. The SP-101 is pretty easy to find, smaller than the 19 you wore out and a darned fine little gun. I think enough of them to own two of them.

Added thought: I love the .44 Special and Magnum...and the .41..Theres few calibers I don't like for one reason or another, but, really, I'm not sure whatever is on the receiving end would be able to tell the difference between a .44 Special or 158 GR .357 Magnum. The SP-101 is the absolute lightest gun I would want to shoot full house Magnums out of. All stainless, its a tank.

My department is still pretty liberal with ammo. I can shoot up around 100 rounds a month excluding quals,and no one will say anything. But, the only thing they have in stock is .40. I bought a couple off duty guns in .40 for that exact reason, to use somebody elses ammo.

joneb
September 30, 2012, 04:11 AM
Here's a pic of my 696,
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=64627&d=1190868351
I really like the 696 but I think it's a bit more than you are looking for.
I have handled the newer CA Bulldogs and I was not impressed with it. I would like to shoot one perhaps that would change my opinion ?
I like sgt127 suggestion for a SP101 357 mag. that would likely be my choice.

Float Pilot
September 30, 2012, 02:10 PM
Yeah it looks like the CA- Bulldog idea is fading... I know I looked at them a back when the first came out a couple-three decades ago... And back then I just stuck with my old 2.5 inch round butt Model 19.
I used to have an old S&W Bodyguard as a jacket pocket gun but it was eventually shot loose. (evidence gun that I had to give back when I retired) Plus standard velocity 38s in a snubie are marginal.

Since I have a couple N-frame in 44 special and a couple SAA Colts as well, so,,,I thought a pocket gun in that chambering might be interesting. And I already have the brass and dies...
And yeap I have other N-frames in 45 colt, 45 auto, 44 mag and even 38-44 Outdoorsman.

I guess Taurus makes a model 445 in 44 special... it is supposedly the same size as a model 19 but they only used a 2 inch instead of a 2.5 inch barrel... BUT I have never owned or shot a Taurus
What S&W should have done was made a K frame 5 shot... But their lawyers probably made them use the thicker L frame.

My wife carries a KAHR CW9 that works very well and is pretty concealable. I just prefer a revolver for that sort of thing and like big slow moving pieces of lead.

joneb
September 30, 2012, 03:17 PM
I just prefer a revolver for that sort of thing and like big slow moving pieces of lead.
Me to but I keep coming up with something like this,
http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=285&category=Pistol&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=

Float Pilot
September 30, 2012, 04:00 PM
While a little 45 auto is the correct cartridge for a bad night in the big city.

I am not all that nuts about using an Auto-loader when I am down to my last chips.

Wheel-gun advantage in a close up tussle...

1. Can be fired repeatedly while the muzzle is in contact with the target or target's clothing. Try that with an auto...

2. Can be fired with a bent (or injured) wrist without causing a malfunction.

3. Does not need two hands to get back into action in case of a round misfire or malfunction due to wrestling around with your target. Just cycle to the next chamber via trigger pull.

4. With a hammer-less,(or bobbed hammer) can be fired from inside the jacket pocket with a good chance that it will work at least one more time.


YEARS AGO ,, S&W should have come up with the 40 or 41 Special. There is a reason why the old 41 Colt was pretty popular in belly guns over 100 years ago...

5-SHOTS
October 1, 2012, 05:57 AM
But I was used a 38 Special in a real situation and was not impressed with the results.:eek::eek:

Could you please report us your experience if possible?

mdauben
October 1, 2012, 11:56 AM
One thing I could never understand and still cannot is why anyone would buy a 44 Special instead of a 44 Magnum. How much can the difference in weight be and the magnum gives one so many more options when it comes to powerful loads.

The S&W snub nose 629 is over a pound heavier than the Charter Arms Bulldog. The snub version of the Ruger Redhawk is even heavier. Also, many people feel that .44 mag is getting into the range of dimishishing returns; powerful yes but too much recoil and too slow to recover for a SD gun.

Certaindeaf
October 1, 2012, 12:13 PM
A good bullet for the Bulldog (and any other .44) is the old 180 grain Lyman #429348. Super economical and mikes nice big holes in paper and critters.

http://www.three-peaks.net/images/429348_180g.gif

coop2564
October 1, 2012, 12:16 PM
I love my Bulldog.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/coop2564/44sp357mag.jpg

Float Pilot
October 5, 2012, 12:13 AM
CERTAINDEAF :::

Any Idea where I can get a handfull of those 180 grain full wadcutters for experimentation?

I bought a Taurus model 445 UL with a 2 inch barrel. But I most have a buch of heavy 44 caliber slugs around the homestead...

I was looking for some old Speer 225 grain half jacketed semi-wadcutters, but they do nopt makle them anymore.

Certaindeaf
October 5, 2012, 12:55 AM
Float Pilot, I guess used or so. I'd send you some but it's buried somewhere with a warped sprue plate or something and none are cast/left over. If you did a shout out over at castboolits.com, someone there may well be able to happily oblige you.

Float Pilot
October 5, 2012, 02:09 AM
Thnking about Bullog problem solved...


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=172929&stc=1&d=1349413707

David E
October 7, 2012, 12:48 PM
I was looking for some old Speer 225 grain half jacketed semi-wadcutters, but they do nopt makle them anymore.

They might be fine in an all steel gun, but in the 19 oz Bulldog, the 1/2 jacket stayed in place while the lead core jumped crimp.

MachIVshooter
October 7, 2012, 02:07 PM
I have a 2011 model, I really like it. Carries easy, packs a wallop.

One thing I could never understand and still cannot is why anyone would buy a 44 Special instead of a 44 Magnum.

Do you know what a Charter Arms Bulldog is?

Your assessment makes sense with full size guns, but not so much with the compact and/or lightweight guns.

Exactly. The CA Bulldog is about the same size as, but a good bit lighter than, the Ruger SP101. They smack you hard with heavy .44 SPl. loads, I would not want to fire a mag load out of small frame gun weighing under 20 ounces.

diyj98
October 8, 2012, 11:05 AM
The 44 special also doesn't have the ear damaging blast of a 357 or 44 magnum. I have two Charter bulldogs. They aren't up to S&W quality, but the price is a heck of a lot cheaper as well. For night stand guns they do just fine for me.

Jaymo
October 8, 2012, 08:43 PM
The Bulldog IS an all steel gun, with the exception of some of the trigger guards/grip frames, that were aluminum. It's a very light steel gun.
I can imagine the lead core did jump crimp, with a hot load. The Bulldog is a lively little revolver to shoot.
That means, wood grips=no fun.

David E
October 8, 2012, 09:00 PM
The Bulldog IS an all steel gun, with the exception of some of the trigger guards/grip frames, that were aluminum.

Which makes it NOT all steel.

All steel FRAME, yes, but not an all steel gun.

Float Pilot
October 8, 2012, 11:36 PM
Odd how the 2.5 inch bbl C.A. Bulldog (website claim steel frame) is 21 onces while the Taurus Model 445 UL, which has a 2 inch stainless barrel and cylinder, but an alloy frame,,, is 22 onces.

MachIVshooter
October 9, 2012, 12:18 AM
Odd how the 2.5 inch bbl C.A. Bulldog (website claim steel frame) is 21 onces while the Taurus Model 445 UL, which has a 2 inch stainless barrel and cylinder, but an alloy frame,,, is 22 onces.

Mine tips my scale at 19.7 ounces empty. And yes, it is a steel gun except for the grip frame/trigger guard.

The Bulldog is simply smaller than the Taurus.

Drail
October 9, 2012, 12:26 AM
Bullets pulling is caused by insufficient case neck tension. I have been reloading and shooting Bulldog Pugs since the 80s and I have never seen a single bullet pull on anyof my loads from 180 to 250 gr. cast. Bullet pull is not the fault of the gun. And those 180 gr full wadcutters work very well. I still have a few left but they're getting harder to find. My Bulldogs weigh in at 19.5 oz. They have more steel in them than most modern ultra flyweight snubs manufactured these days. It would be nice if Charter Arms could finally solve their quality control issues. The design is a good one.

rozziboy18
October 9, 2012, 12:38 AM
i "gettofyed" one once for a friend. it was just a because he can kinda thing and there was no real reason behind it other than fun. its a hand me down night stand gun to him and he wanted to make it a conversation piece. i so polished it up and gold plated the trigger hammer and cylinder release. i have to say after a full tear down and light work, after all the years of his family owning it , its a tight gun, shoots well and does its job. i am by no means a good revolver athority to go off of, i have owned two 1 being a judge, long sence gone and 2 being a 686-6, still got.


oh heres a pic!
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu314/ROZZIBOY18/2011-11-10_18-35-13_258-1.jpg

Drail
October 9, 2012, 12:40 AM
Man, that IS ghetto.:uhoh:

rozziboy18
October 9, 2012, 01:29 AM
he wanted it not me!! im more partial to blue and walnut myself!

firesky101
October 9, 2012, 01:33 AM
I went to the range with my father on Saturday. One of the guns he brought was his .44 special charter. Still fun to shoot. Interestingly someone showed up with another one, an older one like the one in the photo rozziboy18 provided. He had removed the cylinder release and used the ejector rod to open the cylinder. He said the cylinder release cut his hand up real bad, and charter told him to take the release off.

lowercase
October 9, 2012, 07:00 PM
I plan on buying one. I like the idea of a small, light revolver with 5 rounds of BOOM.

I have the Charter Mag Pug (same frame as the Bulldog, but in .357) with some Pachmayr Compac grips on it, but they are a little too tacky, and my cover garments hangs up on them. I plan on dressing it up with some Eagle "Secret Service" grips.

Here's my Charter .357 with its Pachmayrs.

http://imageshack.us/a/img685/8314/magpug1.jpg

Here's the grips I want. Pic borrowed from Eaglegrips website. I hope it is okay.

http://www.eaglegrips.com/guns/image.php/images/SS62.jpg?width=200&height=&image=/images/SS62.jpg

David E
October 9, 2012, 07:42 PM
Bullets pulling is caused by insufficient case neck tension. I have been reloading and shooting Bulldog Pugs since the 80s and I have never seen a single bullet pull on anyof my loads from 180 to 250 gr. cast.

The bullet I cited was the old Speer semi-wadcutter with 1/2 jacket. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with it, as it's been discontinued for years.

The jacket was totally recessed into the case, a full crimp was applied. The rounds looked like regular cast semi-wadcutters as a result.

The lead bullet CORE separated from the 1/2 jacket, which stayed firmly crimped in place. It took 3-4 shots for this to happen in my Bulldog.

I pushed the lead core back into the 1/2 jacket and fired it normally. I also never bought those bullets again.

Drail
October 9, 2012, 09:33 PM
Thank you for that explanation. Interesting bullet failure. I used plenty of those bullets in .44 and .41 back in the dark ages but I never saw one do what you described. (I do believe you ) Most of the experts of the day had a good opinion of those half jackets. Anymore all I shoot now are hard cast SCW bullets. Remember Bull-X? They were right down the road from me and they would let us back our trucks up to the shipping door and load up bullets. I spent a lot of money in that place. Really great pricing doing it that way. Really great people at Bull-X also. I sure do miss them.

David E
October 9, 2012, 10:32 PM
I didn't have a .44 magnum at the time, but suspect those bullets would've been fine in an all steel gun.

I shot with Carter Jones often at the Havana matches. Great guy.

Float Pilot
October 9, 2012, 11:18 PM
I used those old Speer half jacketed SWCs for decades in my hot 44 mag loads without any problems. But I always had a very heavy roll crimp into the lead above the jacketing.
Unfortunately I am down to my last box. Out of the 5,000 I bought back in the early 70s.
They were a good hunting bullet.

I just shot up 10 of them in my alloy framed Taurus and they worked just fine. Good group and dead-on for point of aim. But I only had them going 650 fps.

the Black Spot
October 12, 2012, 05:11 PM
I am getting some pachmyr presentation grips for mine. I don't like that little picky finger slot. I am used to a colt single action style grip.

natman
October 13, 2012, 03:22 AM
One thing I could never understand and still cannot is why anyone would buy a 44 Special instead of a 44 Magnum. How much can the difference in weight be and the magnum gives one so many more options when it comes to powerful loads. I DO understand why the special might be and is a better carry load.

Same story diffent channel. If buying just one revolver i would buy a 357 magnum not a 38. I can still shoot the entire gamut of 38 loads and the magnum cannot be that much heavier.
The Bulldog is a very small, light gun designed for carry. It's not strong enough for magnum pressures. Recoil is quite adequate with 44 Specials and would be unmanageable with Magnums.

Frank V
October 13, 2012, 09:40 PM
Float Pilot

It sounds like you do reload. I've found some of the modern .44 Specials are zeroed at the factory for the newer 200gr .44 Special loads. I think Mike Venturino even called S&W & was told that after he found his .44 Special shot really high with 240 gr bullets.
I found it to be true on some guns too. My soloution was easy. I used the 208gr .44-40 bullet & bingo the guns zeroed. I used the same old standard 7-1/2grs of Unique load under the lighter bullet & got a very good load.
If yours shoot high with std wt bullets you might try a .44-40 bullet & get a good zero without having to fool with the fixed sights.
Frank

Float Pilot
October 13, 2012, 10:48 PM
I have a 44 special thread running on the Hand-Loading sub-section.

44 Special Loads for Taurus Model 445 Ultra Light. 2 inch BBL

Target at 15 yards, temp 39 F, light rain. Chronograph at 10 feet.

SUNDAY


Factory Hornady 180gr XTP-JHP = 738 fps and a 3.5 inch group (Big muzzle flash)
Shoots about 8 inches low.

Factory Federal, 200gr LSCW-HP = 680 fps and a 1.1 inch group
( the shoulder of the lead SWC had to be shaved a little to chamber)
Shoots 5 inches low.

Hand loads

200 grain Hornady XTP-HP, Star Line brass, Winchester Large Pistol Primer,
heavy crimp at cannelure.

7.0 grains Universal……… = 698 fps and a 2.5 inch group LOW
6.9 grains HP-38 (ww231.) = 775 fps and a 1.5 inch group (clean brass) 2 inches LOW9.3 grains HS-6…………..= 700 fps and a 1.3 inch group 2 inches low
7.0 grains IMR-800X……..= 620 fps and a 1.0 inch group (dirty) 2.5 inches low
6.3 grains Trail Boss……..= 700 fps and a 5.0 inch group (clean brass) 8 inches low


240 grain old Speer jacketed semi-wad-cutter solid. Star Line brass
Winchester Large Pistol Primer, heavy crimp over jacket edge.

6.5 grains IMR 800X…= 650 fps and a 1.0 inch group at point of aim. Noticeable recoil increase over 200 grain bullets.


WEDNESDAY RANGE SESSION

200 grain Hornady XTP-HP, Winchester Brass, WLP, heavy roll crimp 1.500 COL
15 yards, high wind, fading sunlight

5.0 grains RED DOT = 547 fps and a 1.0 inch group
5.5 grains RED DOT = 685 fps and a 1.5 inch group
5.5 grains GREEN DOT = 675 fps and a 2.0 inch group
8.6 grains IMR SR4756 = 680 fps and a 1.5 inch group

ALL Shot Low

240 grain Keith Lead Semi-Wad-cutter, WW Brass, WLP,
Heavy Roll crimp 1.490 COL

5.3 grains GREEN DOT = 720 fps and a 0.60 inch group 1.5 inch low
5.3 grains RED DOT….= 790 fps and a 2.0 inch group POINT OF AIM
8.0 grains IMR-SR-4756= 715 fps and a 2.5 inch group
3 inches low.

JERRY
October 13, 2012, 11:13 PM
float pilot, seems that the 800 fps mark is about what is right for those to hit point of aim.

Float Pilot
October 13, 2012, 11:33 PM
Yeah I need to play around with Green Dot a little more and also try some 700x...
The Red Dot load that was going 790 was probably much closer to 800fps at the muzzle. But it sure made my hand tingle.

I have been working up of course so each range session is a couple hundred rounds. Not much fun with a light-weight snubby.

JERRY
October 14, 2012, 02:22 AM
How about a 200 gr. @ 800 fps from the bulldog?

the Black Spot
October 14, 2012, 03:33 PM
My bulldog shot 240 gr xtp with 5 gr of Bullseye to point if aim.

voicomp
October 15, 2012, 06:22 PM
I have had a new one (2.5" DAO) for a couple of months. It replaced one I wore out after buying it used 15years ago. It chugs along nicely with factory JHP 180's from Hornady and PMC. For the reloads, I found it sensitive to inadequate primer seating depth (several rounds failed to fire with what looked like flush primers and they went bang just fine when retried in a .44 Spl from another maker); seating my primers until they are slight visibly recessed appears to have resolved the issue. I like it.

Frank V
October 15, 2012, 10:12 PM
Sounds like there are some pretty good loads being tried.
I keep coming back, this is an interesting thread.
Frank

Float Pilot
October 15, 2012, 11:03 PM
Oct 14th SUNDAY, Range test: TAURUS M-445 ALLOY FRAME with 2.1 inch barrel15 yards, light rain, wind, 35 degrees.

207 grain cast Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point with Gas Check.
Winchester Brass, Winchester Large Pistol Primer, 1.500 col w/roll crimp


7.0 Grains of Unique = Hi-827, Lo-762 and a 2.0 inch group 1 inch low, dirty
6.0 Grains Green Dot = Hi-814, Lo-805 and a 1.5 inch group, 1.5 inch low, clean
7.0 Grains of HP-38 = Hi 865, Lo 842, and a 0.75 inch group, inch low, clean
7.2 Grains of HP-38 = Hi 906, Lo 869, and a 2.0 inch group, 1 inch left, clean

240 grain cast lead Keith style, semi-wadcutter.
Winchester Brass, Winchester Large Pistol, 1.490 col w/roll crimp

5.5 Grains Green Dot = Hi-750, Lo-713, and a 1.25 inch group inch low, clean
6.2 Grains HP-38 = ….Hi-812, Lo-790, and a 1.35 inch group inch left, clean

the Black Spot
October 16, 2012, 01:14 AM
Ever use Bullseye or bluedot with that 240 gr keith bullet?

Float Pilot
October 16, 2012, 01:28 AM
I have been playing with Blue Dot as well, but I am only posting loads that did not make huge groups or that did not seem like they were going to blow-up...
So I am going to have to get back to you on that....
This time of year is pretty busy withy me pulling the plane out of the water, doing aircraft maintenance and getting to house ready for deep snow.. It is snowing right now as I type this....

Bullseye is pretty fast stuff.... Red Dot was pretty snappy,,,, Bullseye,,,, hmmm.......

the Black Spot
October 16, 2012, 08:39 AM
I am with you on the busy part. Tween family, work, and getting traps/gear ready for trapping season seems not much time left for load testing.

Wow! Snow! Its in the high 70's here.

lobo9er
October 16, 2012, 08:53 AM
charter arms was a big let down for me with a MAG PUG. I wouldn't buy another.

Frank V
October 16, 2012, 12:29 PM
Float Pilot
Thanks for the range test. Sounds like you are getting some nice loads. One of my favorite powders is HP38/aka WW231! HP38 tends to be about $2/ can cheaper than WW231 in my area,,,, go figure?

Who made your mould for the 207gr SWC HP GC?

If you try going up just a bit with your Unique powder charge, it may clean up for you.
Frank

farm23
October 16, 2012, 02:23 PM
The smallest 44 I have is a 3" S&W 629 at 44 oz loaded and it goes with me in the woods. For going to town my EDC is a 1911 and a NAA black widow. I perfer big holes and would like to get a lighter 44. At this point I am leaning to the USA made Charter but will keep reading.

Thanks for the great info.

azgsmith
October 16, 2012, 03:40 PM
It seams that the new CA Bulldog has some problems. We sold them at a shop I worked at and they were nothing but problems and many had to be returned to CA. I had an old one as my off duty gun years ago and it was a great little carry gun with lots of punch.

JERRY
October 16, 2012, 07:55 PM
azgsmith, back in the bridgeport days C.A. could make a descent revolver and spend a little more ensuring it was actually worthy of carry and still make a profit.

today they are selling them for as much as other brands but still have the same frail design that the other brands dont.

taurus makes a small 5 shot 2" bbl .44spl ight weight. look at its lock work and frame design compared to the C.A. bullgod....the bulldog is weaker where it counts, thats not good.

Eb1
October 16, 2012, 08:17 PM
I didn't get a Bulldog, but found my favorite .44 SPC for carry. A Rossi M720 fixed sight model. I am shooting 200 grain XTP around 910 fps @ 12'.

I'll get some targets up on the reloading thread.

the Black Spot
October 16, 2012, 09:00 PM
Eb1, yes please post the pics! I love those rossi 720! Wish I could find one.

Eb1
October 16, 2012, 09:39 PM
I had it bead blasted, and had a target barrel reshaped to fit the profile of the fixed sight model.

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the Black Spot
October 17, 2012, 01:09 AM
Sweet! Really nice!

farm23
October 17, 2012, 03:10 PM
EB1 What is the weight of the 720 and how is the trigger action? Also have you had a chance to do any range work with your new toy? I have found one online but have no idea what is weighs. My 629 is 44 oz so most anything will be less but I would like something under 30 oz.

Thanks

Eb1
October 17, 2012, 08:43 PM
1 lb. 14 oz. empty is the weight. I have to carry it IWB. It isn't a light gun, but shoots good.
Trigger is as good as any S&W I have tried. I just have an itch for these Rossi M720's. I looked for one for three years. Moved to a new town, and found it in a pawn shop about a mile from the house.

Frank V
October 17, 2012, 08:57 PM
I have used a 208gr .428 RNFP cast bullet lubed with SPG over Skelton's charge of Unique in a Bulldog. It's pretty snappy, but shoots to the sights. It is listed as a pretty light load in the manuals for a 208gr bullet.
I don't carry handloads for defense, but use this load for practice. I think it's a heavier load than most you can buy over the counter for the .44 Special. The Bulldog is a pretty good carry gun, it's light, compact, & relatvely powerful.
Frank

jfh
October 19, 2012, 08:46 AM
You know, this is a really good thread for reloading information--yes, I've been following the post Float Pilot did on .44 Special loads over in reloading--and I hope it would encourage some of you to reload the .44 Special.

For an alternative, don't forget to include S&W's Night Guard 396--5 shot L frame. I worked up some loads this year for that, but have not gotten out to test them--looks like next spring, maybe.

Jim H.

Frank V
October 19, 2012, 01:28 PM
I have known of a couple that had to go back to the factory right out of the box. One in particular was sent back with a letter of explanation, it came back in 6 weeks, problem fixed & it's been carried & shot quite a lot since. It's reliable & accurate.
Seems that when their warranty is needed, it's taken care of promptly & accuratly. The bottom line is though, would I buy one??

YUP!
Frank

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