The .50 Alaskan ultimate bear stopper


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hyattnc
September 29, 2012, 08:36 PM
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During this last hunt my buddy introduced me to the .50 Alaskan which I say is the best bear cartridge Ive ever known. With 4300 ft lbs of stopping power this is the ultimate bear stopper. We came out of this last hunt satisfied with the round. Our rifle on this trip was the Master Guide. It doesnt look like much but it kicks and kicks bad.

MODERATOR NOTE: The above image is not the OP's and is misleading. It is from a hunt in California and is from http://www.wildwestguns.com/tejonbear.html

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dprice3844444
September 29, 2012, 09:15 PM
http://www.wildwestguns.com/copilot.html

threefortyduster
September 30, 2012, 10:34 AM
Why does every one of your posts look like an advertisement?

X-Rap
September 30, 2012, 10:38 AM
Neither one have body armor either???

JohnM
September 30, 2012, 10:53 AM
Neither one have body armor either???

Sorta wondering about that too, where is all that armor?

CraigC
September 30, 2012, 11:38 AM
4300ft-lbs is not what stops bears. Big, heavy, toughly constructed bullets with a high sectional density that break bones and make big, deep holes in tissue is what stops bears. Seriously, if a revolver cartridge producing a fraction of the energy of the mighty .50AK will do the same job, then maybe energy is not a proper measure of a cartridge/load's effectiveness.

JohnM
September 30, 2012, 11:43 AM
So, a big, heavy bullet hitting with 500 ft lbs is just as good as the same bullet hitting at 4300?

JRWhit
September 30, 2012, 11:54 AM
It sure looks stopped to me.:neener:
In a bear hunt I wouldn't consider extra security a bad thing. Sure some tools will do the job,but other tools will do it better.

hyattnc
September 30, 2012, 11:58 AM
To be fair I did not post the link and would appreciate if the moderators removed the link. Its not my purpose to direct people to someone elses website to buy a product. If you dont like me or my writing style or the way I express myself you dont have to read what I write. By all means dont read my posts. The Code of Conduct on this site does prohibit personal attacks and following folks around the site to demean them.

I just wanted to express my positive sentiment about a round I enjoyed and thought had good stopping power. There is a lot of discussion nowadays about adequate bear stopping rounds and I think I found the right one. Its most certainly there as far as size and speed. Quite a kick but I didnt expect anything less than a very spirited kick.

Double Naught Spy
September 30, 2012, 01:56 PM
I don't know that I would call the caliber the ultimate bear stopper, especially when showing a little black bear, but it is an impressive caliber. 4300 is definitely at the higher end of its spectrum. A lot of the loadings are more than 1000 lbs. lower...more in line with the high upper end of .45-70

Big, heavy, toughly constructed bullets with a high sectional density that break bones and make big, deep holes in tissue is what stops bears. Seriously, if a revolver cartridge producing a fraction of the energy of the mighty .50AK will do the same job, then maybe energy is not a proper measure of a cartridge/load's effectiveness.

You can drive a .45-70, .50 Beowulf, or .458 Bushmaster through a bison, breaking bones along with the way, and with a lot less recoil. Bears are not particularly tough, especially the smaller black bears. There are a lot of myths about their abilities to shrug off being shot with reportedly great shot shots, but those bears never seem to get recovered and so the great shots never verified. No doubt the depth of the fur is often confused for body mass when in reality, it is mostly air.

There is a difference between just hunting and animal and stopping an animal. Most folks that want an animal stopped are dealing with an animal that is a problem, especially if it is already mad with you, charging, etc. People often aim poorly under those circumstances and followup shots can be equally problematic. They don't have the ability to aim at major locomotor structures that are in motion separate from the just the direction of travel, churning back and forth, to make a shot that necessarily cripples immediately. If they could do that, then they could make head CNS shots, neck CNS, or other high CNS destroying shots on demand and folks almost never seem to have that intentional capability during high stress until the bears are virtually at contact distances and even then still manage to screw up shots and have to make multiples because they cannot place shots such that their trajectory and penetration will do the necessarily damage to make the stop.

Lloyd Smale
September 30, 2012, 03:40 PM
got news for you. Ive shot bear and pigs with my 50 beo, various 4570s and my 50ak and try the 50ak youll be a believer too. It HAMMERS animals where the others kill them. Ive also killed as much game with a 500 linebaugh and 475 as about anyone here and theres no comparison. The 50ak has the power of a 458 mag and that my friends is a stopping rifle. Linebaughs have killed about everything on the planet but there far from stopping guns.

buck460XVR
September 30, 2012, 03:45 PM
Cute little gun, bet she kicks like a mule. Congrats on the bear. Maybe it's the angle, but in the pic, the barrel sure looks like it's pointed right at the other guys head.

powell&hyde
September 30, 2012, 04:35 PM
Very Nice, my old shoulders won't take the beating of a hard kicking round any more but to you Kudos.

MCgunner
September 30, 2012, 09:14 PM
I'd buy one to shoot hogs, but I ain't that mad at 'em. :D

4300ft-lbs is not what stops bears.

I think THAT one was adequately addressed by JohnM.:D I'd just add, I don't think it takes 4300 ft lbs to stop a bear, but wretched excess in these animals is probably a good thing. :D However, that looks like a big blacky to my untrained eye. Griz is what I'd prefer excess for. Plenty of blacks have been feld with 1800 ft lbs (.30-30) or even 700 ft lbs (.357 magnum) and I ain't as skirt of 'em as I would be a griz.

Girodin
September 30, 2012, 10:22 PM
Shooting a treed black bear proves something the ultimate bear stopper? :rolleyes:h

Shadow 7D
September 30, 2012, 10:34 PM
Shooting a treed black bear proves something the ultimate bear stopper? :rolleyes:h
That's nice, funny, don't hear of it used much up here, there ain't a "ultimate", Guy I know of with the most griz uses a MN, and a number of the Alaskan Natives used 30-40 to hunt Polar Bear....

Alaska444
October 1, 2012, 03:18 AM
Hey, I thought my Marlin .444 was the ultimate bear stopper.:eek::what:

Probably no such thing as an ultimate bear stopper since even the big boy's toys over 5000 ft-lbs of muzzle energy have failed stop some of the big boy bears at times. Sadly, all too many stories of folks killed by the bear that they killed.

Great little gun, but seeing how small and light it is with 4300 ft-lbs of muzzle energy makes me cringe in pain just thinking of that recoil action on my shoulder.

Can't go wrong with that as a true bear stopper, but ultimate? Not sure if there is such a thing.

Shadow 7D
October 1, 2012, 06:15 AM
Come on 444, there ain't nutten 'Ma Duce' can't take care of....

Lloyd Smale
October 1, 2012, 07:30 AM
Im pretty recoil resistant but will admit when loaded to the top end with 500 grain cast bullets the 50ak will get on you a bit!! But Ive never shot a true stopping level gun that didnt.

Double Naught Spy
October 1, 2012, 09:13 AM
got news for you. Ive shot bear and pigs with my 50 beo, various 4570s and my 50ak and try the 50ak youll be a believer too. It HAMMERS animals where the others kill them

Okay, thanks. I didn't know you could get more dead than dead. I will write that down.

j1
October 1, 2012, 09:20 AM
I like your post and find it interesting and informative. Thank you for posting. :)

MCgunner
October 1, 2012, 02:35 PM
I like the post, too. I wouldn't wanna be on either end of that gun when it goes off, though. ROFLMAO!

MCgunner
October 1, 2012, 02:40 PM
, and a number of the Alaskan Natives used 30-40 to hunt Polar Bear....

There was a guy in our gun club, WW2 vet, think he passed away, but he was interesting. He got out of the service after the war and went to work as an Indian agent in Alaska. He said, at that time, the .30-30 was the gun of choice for everything from polar down to whatever. See, back then, .30-30 was ubiquitous, sold everywhere, and they didn't have the internet to order ammo. He went out griz hunting with 'em, wanted to take a griz, took along his .300 H&H. They laughed at him when the recoil made him miss and knocked him off the boat seat he was seated on. LOL He did get the bear, on the second try.

Then there's Caribou who takes everything with a Mosin Nagant 7.62x54R.

Cosmoline
October 1, 2012, 02:46 PM
So, a big, heavy bullet hitting with 500 ft lbs is just as good as the same bullet hitting at 4300?

Well maybe 1000 ft. lbs, but sure. I'd be as happy with a black powder cartridge rifle shooting a huge high-SD slug as a magnum shooting the same bullet. Less chance of a bullet failure and so long as there's enough juice to keep the round moving it will do the work.

Plus what happens to your ears with that porting and that level of load--ouch!

Shadow 7D
October 1, 2012, 02:50 PM
And as Caribou put it, it's simple, you don't miss...

hyattnc
October 1, 2012, 03:53 PM
In another thread I was talking about wearing armor and other protective gear during a hunt. I should have explained that I do a lot of hunting with these big bore rifles. When you are on a range its not so hard to lose control of the rifle but out in the wild in a dynamic environment it happens. In fact, for the uninitiated I highly suggest ear protection and a helmet. I saw one guy even wear a catchers mask. Its easy to lose control of the rifle if you dont have the proper grip and stance. There are youtube videos of guys rapid firing these things looking smooth but I can tell you its really not as easy as they make it look.

I dont want to get injured so I go above and beyond.

Cosmoline
October 1, 2012, 08:04 PM
A catcher's mask? If the recoil is that bad it's time for a different rifle. That's intense enough to be courting shoulder and retinal dislocation.

Double Naught Spy
October 1, 2012, 08:45 PM
So what you are saying is that you are unsure of your ability to handle the rifle in real life and that the rifle may hurt you bad enough that you need a helmet for safety. Wow.

Your ultimate bear stopper may be a great and unintended hunter stopper as well.

That is the nice thing about little caliber guns like the .45-70 or even the .444. You don't fear that sort of physical injury from them and you can hunt with confidence that you won't lose control of your gun.

JohnM
October 1, 2012, 09:07 PM
A hunter safety course would probably be in order.

jon86
October 1, 2012, 09:31 PM
hyattnc, please clarify something for me.

You say that you used a 50 Alaskan to kill this bear?

That's weird, this exact bear was killed with a 457 Alaskan.

http://www.wildwestguns.com/tejonbear.html

So what rifle cartridge did you use to kill this bear?

Or are you being a fraud?

This forum is called THE HIGH ROAD for a few good reasons.

X-Rap
October 1, 2012, 11:09 PM
Some 14 year old kid.

powell&hyde
October 1, 2012, 11:42 PM
Ouch!!, I think you just inducted yourself into the hall of shame.

Alaska444
October 1, 2012, 11:51 PM
:what:Ouch!!, I think you just inducted yourself into the hall of shame.
+1,:what:

JohnM
October 1, 2012, 11:53 PM
Yep, going, going, GONE!

Certaindeaf
October 2, 2012, 12:19 AM
Holy cow.

colonelhogan44
October 2, 2012, 01:10 AM
I looked back through this guy's posts, and he seems like kind of a tool. Most of them get locked -- that's not a particularly 'high road' record.

hogshead
October 2, 2012, 01:20 AM
Bear hunting with a catchers mask? Wow think I will stick with my 444.

Certaindeaf
October 2, 2012, 01:29 AM
Bear hunting with a catchers mask? Wow think I will stick with my 444.
The guy's a fake n00b troll. He's gone unless he can defend his actions/prove the veracity/truth of his claims. unlikely I'd say

Anyway, that 500 seems like it'd sure kill some stuff and seems like a fine whomper.

Alaska444
October 2, 2012, 01:47 AM
Bear hunting with a catchers mask? Wow think I will stick with my 444.
Wow, a fellow .444 fanatic!! Can't argue with staying with the .444 at all.:D

P.S. I see you already joined the Marlin .444 club.:eek:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=7984090&postcount=18

colonelhogan44
October 2, 2012, 01:48 AM
How about this for bear? The bear could be wearing body armor, supplied by hyattnc and still get taken. Of course the hunter's shoulder would also be MIA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwHs4DtQU3I

hogshead
October 2, 2012, 01:57 AM
Yes I am a 444 fanboy. Love it. Kinda dreading it since I separated my shoulder but I think we can manage. At least I wont need a catchers mask. lol

hso
October 2, 2012, 02:00 AM
To be fair I did not post the link and would appreciate if the moderators removed the link.

That's not going to happen.

Posting a picture of another man's kill to make folks think it is your's is without honor, but to do it from a pic off the net where your shame can be dragged out in public is just moronic.

The truth is there for anyone to see.

You've been outed and there is no escaping the facts.

Alaska444
October 2, 2012, 02:10 AM
Yes I am a 444 fanboy. Love it. Kinda dreading it since I separated my shoulder but I think we can manage. At least I wont need a catchers mask. lol
No, no catcher's mask with my .444 for sure. Sorry about the shoulder, hope it gets better soon.

hogshead
October 2, 2012, 02:14 AM
Thanks I got 2 more weeks before bear season so I think I will be good.

Flatbush Harry
October 2, 2012, 02:28 AM
I'll use my Rem 700 XCR II in .375 H&H.

FH

Lloyd Smale
October 2, 2012, 07:26 AM
Okay, thanks. I didn't know you could get more dead than dead. I will write that down.


there is a differnce. If im shooting something that could come back and get me Id want it down NOW! Thats where something on the level of a 50ak comes into play. Sure even a 22lr will kill a bear. But it has plenty of time to come and play with you before it dies. Now am i saying you need this kind of power for black bear? Heck no. Ive killed a bunch of them with guns like 3030s, 44 mag handguns and even bows. But if brown bear were on the plate you wouldnt catch me out there with any of those. Is there alot of need for a gun like a 50ak. NOPE. But it can be loaded up or down to take everything from grouse to elephant. Its handy, has a fast second shot, Accurate (mine shoots moa) and its just cool. Anyone who has hunted with a 4570 usually falls in love with them and the 50ak is just a grown up 4570. I surely see no down side to hunting with it and the only ones ive seen that badmouth it are ones that havent tried it, cant afford it or just wont put there big boy pantys on long enough to master the recoil.

Robert
October 2, 2012, 09:45 AM
Safe to say this one is done.

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