Rifle for Daughter and Deer Hunting


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45Frank
September 30, 2012, 12:51 AM
This will my daughter's first year deer hunting. She's 4'9" 110 lbs and 15 yrs. old. We went gun shopping today and narrowed our choice to three guns and need some opinions. In WNC most Gun Shops are connected to pawn shops so there is a Huge choice this year, I am guessing because of the economy.
Anyway we have narrowed things down to a Savage 110E in 30 06, her opinion is a little heavy. $300.00. the other is a Marlin XS7 Camo in .308, $340.00 and finally a Remington in 770 Camo in 30 06,$320.00 all used in excellent shape.
Anyone shoot with a little women?

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Cluster Bomb
September 30, 2012, 12:55 AM
Big cals for a tiny girl.

Id look into a 243

My ruler m77 mkii compact it lite and good size for every frame. Plus the 243 is a good round.

You could also look at a lever 30/30

My wife loves 243 and 30/30 but hats her dads 308 and my old 300by mag

Just my .02

towboat_er
September 30, 2012, 12:55 AM
My daughter uses a 243, and loves it.

dubya450
September 30, 2012, 12:58 AM
Maybe a 7mm-08. Something she'll be able to handle now and also grow in to. Id stay away front that rem 770, especially at that price being that brand new ones go for $269 around here.

Fred in Wisc
September 30, 2012, 02:01 AM
I have several nieces in that size category that hunt with me, along with some young fellas, hope I can provide some advice. I have a decent selection of rifles available, and we just spent time with 2 of the smaller girls picking out the ones that they are most comfortable with.

My smallest is 11, and a little smaller than your daughter. She prefers the little break open Rossi with a youth sized stock. She fired over 50 rounds of .223 out of that today and was ready for more. If you want an inexpensive starter gun that is safe and easy to use, that's a good one. Make sure to spend the $8 for the side hammer spur, it makes cocking a lot easier for kids with small hands. I'd have preferred a .243 on that, but I found a great deal on the .223. I have another in '06 but it's significantly heavier, one of my older nieces likes that one (she shoots left handed, works great for her).

I like that the Rossis come with other barrels too, so I can swap them out and they have the same operating controls for small game hunting. You can get a 3 barrel combo in .22LR, 410 or 20ga, and 243 for under $300. In a couple years order a regular sized buttstock to replace the youth one. If she really gets into it, you can buy nicer guns later but that combo will do everything she needs and it's inexpensive and durable.

The next one up (12 or 13, about the size of your daughter) LOVES the Marlin 1894 in 44mag. It's light and handles well, and she feels like a cowgirl with it. The teen boys like that gun as well, it's built on a smaller action then the 30-30's and handles great. Her second choice is the Rossi 30-06. She's pretty tough though, a lot of kids find the recoil of that excessive.

The favorite of kids a little bigger is either a lever gun or the Remington Model 7 in 7mm-08. A little heaver than the Rossi or 1894, but still pretty light and compact, well balanced. Has a little too much recoil for some kids. One of those in a slightly lighter caliber, or with handloads at about 80% power, is a sweet gun for kids.

Almost all the kids LOVE black powder guns. Especially smaller lighter ones with traditional looks (CVA makes a couple). Traditional Hawkens and Pennsylvania rifles are way too long and heavy.We have a special black powder season here, probably not the best choice for a normal season.

Not favorites of the smaller kids: full sized bolt actions (too heavy), ARs (odd, they love shooting them on the range, but not for hunting), "long action" lever guns (the bigger kids like those, small kids find them too heavy), any stuff with long barrels (especially pump shotguns) and big optics (can't find target in the scope easily).

I'd like to see the Savage Edge youth in person, looks like a great gun for the price, but I have not had a good excuse to buy one yet. I would definitely look at that instead of the Rem 770 (I did some work on one for a friend, it's definitely built to hit a low price point, the thing just oozes cheapness. I'm not a Remington hater either, I have a few that I really like.)

Stuff that kids find important:
Gun has to be light if you are walking at all. They will be tired and dragging at the end of the day with a heavy gun, or they will always have it on the sling. Also make sure she's comfortable holding the gun up to shoot offhand, many shorter kids have trouble with that, there is just too much muzzle weight to hold up easily.
Optics: Iron sights make it way easier to find the deer in the sights. If you are going to use a scope get one with a low magnification and a wide field of view.
Sling: a must. Kids get tired and really appreciate a sling for when you are traveling between drives, walking the logging roads, etc.
Recoil: Kids vary tremendously in their response to recoil. I have one niece that is afraid of light 20ga target loads, another that can shoot 2 boxes of 30-06 in 20 minutes and come looking for more. Go a little light on the caliber, use that Remington Reduced Recoil ammo, handload light bullets over smaller powder charges, or something. You really don't want her scared of the gun or uncomfortable shooting it.
Stocks: At her height, she will have a lot of trouble with a full size stock, you really need a youth sized gun to for it to fit her well. Too big a stock makes felt recoil worse, adds weight, makes it hard to get scope eye relief right. Very frustrating to use, and the whole point is that hunting should be fun.
Accuracy: Your mileage may vary here, but I go to the range with the kids and a life size deer target (way more fun for them than bullseye targets). The max range we consider a safe shot is where they can place almost all the shots in the kill zone offhand. This year that means 30-35 yards for one of the girls and 50-60 yards for the other. A wounded animal as a first experience is a big turnoff to the kids, it can be very traumatic and you can lose a new hunter right away. Limiting range also works well when we are using lighter calibers.
Operating controls: need to work with little hands and be relatively light and smooth. Kids will almost always jerk heavy triggers and get really poor accuracy, which is frustrating for them.

We talk a lot about making ethical shots, how it is their responsibility to make sure the animal dies right away, and that nobody will be unhappy if they pass up a shot they are not sure of. Really stressing getting waiting for a good shot mostly broadside, making sure they know where to shoot, and not trying to shoot too far. We come home with no deer about half the time, but it's about the experience, not the meat.

I'd highly recommend letting your daughter handle a bunch of different guns, see what fits her, which one naturally points where she wants it too. make sure it's not too heavy. Get her a good sling and some practice time at the range.

Sorry I kind of wrote a book there, but I hope it helps. Getting kids started hunting is really important, and I'm glad to hear your daughter will be joining you in the woods.

meanmrmustard
September 30, 2012, 02:04 AM
If legal in your state, my two young sisters cut their teeth and have grounded many deer with .223 Remington. They've graduated to .260 rem since then, but the deer are apDRT just the same. Shot placement and bullet construction are key.

splithoof
September 30, 2012, 02:09 AM
My 14 yo daughter shoots .308 through a Handi Rifle very well. She started a couple of years ago with a Mini-14, and now also likes the Ruger GSR. For deer hunting she likes the H&R because of it's light weight. She is tall for her age (5' 08") and thin, but learning with reduced loads was (and continues to be) a big help. I ordered an extra .223 barrel for it, so she can clean up the squirrel over-population problem up at the ranch. Now MY problem is dealing with those pesky high-school boys who keep calling and asking her to go hunting with them!

bushmaster1313
September 30, 2012, 03:16 AM
.243 or .257.

And it has to fit her not you.

BigN
September 30, 2012, 06:20 AM
30-06 or a 308 is a bit much for a young girl to start out with. She'll quit shooting altogether.

skidooman603
September 30, 2012, 06:34 AM
If those are your options, I would go with a .308 and load it DOWN...My Kids both cut their teeth on 6.5x55 swedes...Mild to shoot and 95% of the deer I have harvested with this caliber go less than 50 yds (most dropping in their tracks if I do my part) Just a small piece of advise..A cailber that puts a flinch into a young hunter isn't worth saving a couple bucks.

Abel
September 30, 2012, 06:37 AM
I would say 243 is the way to go. Keep shopping.

hentown
September 30, 2012, 08:37 AM
This one is really easy. .243, as has been already recommended. Sorry, Fred, but I'm just not psychologically capable of writing 1000 words, when ten-to-fifteen words will work! :D

j1
September 30, 2012, 08:44 AM
If you do not intend to load down the 30 06 ought to be traded for a 30 30. Very little recoil and been killing deer for over 100 years quite well. Short light and no recoil. If you reload the 06 could do quite well too. Why do you want to get a small young girl a 30 06 though.

06
September 30, 2012, 09:14 AM
Have fired '06s for a lifetime and love them -- BUT --going to a 243 soon. Have rotator cuff problems and 30s just punish too much. A 243 will be more than adequate for any game around here. Will be buying my bud's 77 stainless Ruger w/synthetic furniture-3X10 glass. Have one in '06 that is a tack driver. She will like a bolt.

j1
September 30, 2012, 09:20 AM
06 I too just love the 30 06 and it could be my one gun for everything along with a 22 of course, but is it the best choice for a small young girl? Sorry to say I think not. Maybe a few years, and pounds down the road but not now. Do not buy her what you want and need buy her what she needs.:)

gunner69
September 30, 2012, 10:12 AM
+1 for the 6.5x55 Swed, or its American cousin the .260 remington. Very little recoil and a whole bunch of result at the target end. The Europeans use this caliber for Moose and Hirsch (Elk) very effectively. Another plus is that they shoot very tight groups........

45Frank
September 30, 2012, 10:20 AM
First let me say thanks so much this is what I wanted those who have had experience with my issue.
Fred from Wis thank I appreciate your experience with the kids.
I am a reloaded, been doing it about 25 years 90% handgun reloads other then my 22-250 and .30 carbine.
This came on all of a sudden, she never was all that interested until last year she went along with some friends her age(all girls)with dad's present. And then signed up for the H.E. class which she did pass, Kind of a hint. I have never been big into hunting but am a reloader/shooter.
One thing I didn't mention and maybe the reason I was leaning bigger cal. was it's not uncommon to come across bear here. Last year one of the girls with the .243 shot a 250lb. one but a dad had to finish it off with a .44 mag. Maybe they should have been a little more versed and taught you can come across anything.
One thing I am sure of is she will need a short stock after reading and sizing her up yesterday, she is small all over, LOL.
I do have a lever action in 30-30 so we will go shooting today after church. I am in the process of adding a scope to that. We also have access (not mine)to a .223. and a .243. If she is comfortable with that I can get the larger.

BigN I don't want that to happen.
bushmaster1313 I have to keep reminding myself of that.
meanmrmustard here ya can hunt with just about anything, me and one of the rangers discussed this her last class night. He and some of his buds don't like it but.

Thanks to all this is the feedback I wanted to ground myself some. I'll be back with more questions I'm sure.

cfullgraf
September 30, 2012, 10:24 AM
i agree with the others that 30-06 and 308 Win might be a bit much.

My additional comment is to get the stock modified to fit your daughter.

There are a number of ways to accomplish this depending on how much more you think your daughter will grow and whether you want to keep the original stock for the future.

I hope your daughter has a great experience this season.

Art Eatman
September 30, 2012, 10:27 AM
If you find a .308 or a .30-'06 in a rifle that fits her and that she doesn't think is too heavy: Load about 25 grains of 2400 in the '06 or 20 in the .308 behind a 150-grain Sierra SPBT. That will give a muzzle velocity not much over 2,000 ft/sec. The recoil is hardly noticeable. That's fine for deer to 100 or 150 yards.

That bullet is a bit lighter construction than the flat-base and should expand properly at that lower velocity.

Anyhow, try it. I've used that sort of load for years for plinking and for working on eye-finger coordination.

meanmrmustard
September 30, 2012, 10:30 AM
First let me say thanks so much this is what I wanted those who have had experience with my issue.
Fred from Wis thank I appreciate your experience with the kids.
I am a reloaded, been doing it about 25 years 90% handgun reloads other then my 22-250 and .30 carbine.
This came on all of a sudden, she never was all that interested until last year she went along with some friends her age(all girls)with dad's present. And then signed up for the H.E. class which she did pass, Kind of a hint. I have never been big into hunting but am a reloader/shooter.
One thing I didn't mention and maybe the reason I was leaning bigger cal. was it's not uncommon to come across bear here. Last year one of the girls with the .243 shot a 250lb. one but a dad had to finish it off with a .44 mag. Maybe they should have been a little more versed and taught you can come across anything.
One thing I am sure of is she will need a short stock after reading and sizing her up yesterday, she is small all over, LOL.
I do have a lever action in 30-30 so we will go shooting today after church. I am in the process of adding a scope to that. We also have access (not mine)to a .223. and a .243. If she is comfortable with that I can get the larger.

BigN I don't want that to happen.
bushmaster1313 I have to keep reminding myself of that.
meanmrmustard here ya can hunt with just about anything, me and one of the rangers discussed this her last class night. He and some of his buds don't like it but.

Thanks to all this is the feedback I wanted to ground myself some. I'll be back with more questions I'm sure.
If bear is a concern, forget the 556. I use it on deer, have for over a decade, and it is an ethical killer inside 200 yards (through and through kills on large MO whitetails at that distance for this hunter) and is accurate without meat destruction. But...then you threw bears in the blender. I'm changing my recommendation.

30-30. Loaded with Hornady Levorevolutions. This is a fine round, and I can attest to the bullets prowess over "regular" rounded soft tips. 165 gr ballistic polymer tips start expansion AND make it safe in a tubular magazine. Plenty stout for black bear I'd think, slower and heavier bullet than .243, just the ticket for putting Teddy on the ground.

I hope that she enjoys the outdoors, and tell her I said good luck!!!

Ar180shooter
September 30, 2012, 10:31 AM
This will my daughter's first year deer hunting. She's 4'9" 110 lbs and 15 yrs. old. We went gun shopping today and narrowed our choice to three guns and need some opinions. In WNC most Gun Shops are connected to pawn shops so there is a Huge choice this year, I am guessing because of the economy.
Anyway we have narrowed things down to a Savage 110E in 30 06, her opinion is a little heavy. $300.00. the other is a Marlin XS7 Camo in .308, $340.00 and finally a Remington in 770 Camo in 30 06,$320.00 all used in excellent shape.
Anyone shoot with a little women?
A lightweight .308/30-06 for a tiny girl? Might not be the greatest idea. I'm not even sure if I would really want one. as has been suggested, a .243 or similar might be better suited to her.

If you handload, following what Art said could work quite well.

Captcurt
September 30, 2012, 10:48 AM
I would go small caliber for sure. A little leary of the 223 though. It works fine when the bullet is placed right, but a new hunter with a case of jitters is no place for a marginal caliber.

Not crazy about the single shots either. We forget about the smaller, weaker hands that might have problems trying to cock the hammer. I have seen some that were hard for me and I'm 6' and 200#. (Ok, 220).:o

For higher dollar guns, I like the compacts but for the budget gun I would pick Mossberg's Bantum with the adjustable stock. The Bantum in 243 would be my #1 pick.

stubbicatt
September 30, 2012, 10:52 AM
+1 for 243 of whatever type fits. Seems the Remington Youth rifle would be a good match. There are others, I'm sure Savage makes one for the smaller framed shooter?

Texan Scott
September 30, 2012, 10:58 AM
Marlin 336Y. Shorter stock and barrel, a bit lighter... good moderate deer caliber.
Previous comments about slings and irons are spot on. It could be her first deer rifle for the next 30 years.

meanmrmustard
September 30, 2012, 11:05 AM
Marlin 336Y. Shorter stock and barrel, a bit lighter... good moderate deer caliber.
Previous comments about slings and irons are spot on. It could be her first deer rifle for the next 30 years.
+1. That 30-30 is going to do a number on deer and bear.

eam3clm@att.net
September 30, 2012, 11:15 AM
I will go out on a limb and suggest a marlin xs7y (youth model) in .243 or 7mm-08. I actually have one on order. I really like the trigger and the bolt throw on the few that I have handled. I cant speek of it accuracy yet. New msrp on these are 391.00, but they can be had for around 350.00. Davidson Gallery of Guns is out of stock on .243 and 7mm-08, but the 308 Im getting was 357.29 out the door.

Captcurt
September 30, 2012, 01:09 PM
I will go out on a limb and suggest a marlin xs7y (youth model) in .243 or 7mm-08. I actually have one on order. I really like the trigger and the bolt throw on the few that I have handled. I cant speek of it accuracy yet. New msrp on these are 391.00, but they can be had for around 350.00. Davidson Gallery of Guns is out of stock on .243 and 7mm-08, but the 308 Im getting was 357.29 out the door.
Forgot about this one. Excellent trigger. Nothing but rave reviews. The only bad thing that I have heard is that they have had a few extractors break. Mostly due to reloads. Don't know why.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
September 30, 2012, 01:11 PM
243 Caliber.

splattergun
September 30, 2012, 01:13 PM
Having raised 2 daughters I can say from experience that a 30-06 is too much to start a small girl on. There are lots of burly men on this forum that weren't afraid to admit that it is too much for them.

Youth model rifles from various makers are fairly common in 243, 6mm, 6.5x55 or 7-08. All the options in this caliber range are plenty capable of killing whitetails dead enough with lower recoil. Bonus, a youth model will likely still fit her when she's a grown woman.

I was with my friend and his 12 yo 95 lb wisp of a gal last October took her first mule deer buck with her mother's 7mm-08.

Be kind to your daughter. She could be the one choosing your nursing home.

Kachok
September 30, 2012, 06:43 PM
Even the most recoil shy of my friends can easly handle my 6.5x55, and yet is has dropped every single deer within a few feet even when my hunting buddie totaly botched a shoulder shot with it, I consider that to be the best low recoil hunting cartrage out there, tied with it's ballistic twins of course (260rem/6.5 Creedmore)
243s are fine too, I just like the slightly larger 6.5mm bore more. No noticable difference in recoil between the two.

sixgunner455
September 30, 2012, 10:42 PM
Hope she had a good time shooting that .30-30. I would go with that or a .243, .260, or 7mm-08, in a rifle that fits her.

riomedinamike
September 30, 2012, 11:45 PM
Being the resident gun enthusiast in the family, with a ranch to hunt, has provided me with experience training lots of nieces, nephews, sisters in law, cousins, and my own kids.

I have seen the most success with Rem 700 youth models with a shorter stock in 243 caliber. I handload with a warm and not maximum dose of IMR 4350 and Nosler partition bullets in 100 grain. I even bought a left handed youth model for those who are left eye master. I use a Nikon 2x7 matte scope.

I also have the New England single shot models, but I like the bolt gun's ability to take a faster second shot if the youngster and/or first time hunter gets buck fever and yanks the trigger.

We have taken at leas t 50+ deer over the years with the 700 youth models. In fact, I like to take it with me on the 4 wheeler because it is so compact and handy, plus it works on coyotes and hogs, which always seem to show up when you don't have a rifle with you.

I have also been meticulous with eye and ear protection, and it is a good choice to get the youth sized glasses and hearing muffs.

Good luck. It has always been more satisfactory for me to watch someone take a game animal that I have helped introduce to the world of hunting.

Gordon
September 30, 2012, 11:52 PM
.250 Savage (hard to find ammo but great) , .257 Roberts,7x57 about the upper end and will kill anything well placed as will the 6.5x55. .260 Rem is great and a .270 Winchester will certainly do the trick and the recoil is not bad. .243 is ideal however and with 100 grain premium bullets will take cleanly anything in your neck of the woods under 200 yards and another 100 yards on deer.
I just got one of these for my teen aged grand daughter:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=308752593

BearGriz
October 1, 2012, 12:00 AM
I have zero experience, but I have seen some recommend the CZ 527 in either .223 or 7.62x39 for girls. By all accounts it is a very accurate and light carbine with minimal recoil. I hope to buy one someday.

jaimeshawn3
October 1, 2012, 12:56 AM
Something in 7.62x39, maybe an SKS with a clip restriction to 3rds... or bolt action. I've taught most of grandkids to shoot with 7.62x39 starting young as 5yrs and it will hit as hard as 30-30. 6.8x39 Grendel in a bolt gun is one of my grandkids favs. You can get the kids a 308 but do massively reduced loads. I have a Spanish small ring mauser in 308 that I do very light loads - with lots of filler - and the kids shoot that pretty good.

45Frank
October 1, 2012, 08:17 AM
We went shooting yesterday, both are first time in a long time. (I had a device in planted in the left side so I am also learning to shoot righty, not easy after lefty for 35 years) She started out shooting about 50 rounds from ole reliable .22 from my model 60. Did very well with iron sights at 50 and 100 yards then we moved up to the Marlin 336 in 30-30, once we got her settled in she did OK but it was a little much and she kid of shied away some. We then went to a Savage 22-250 just because I had it out and she kept about 60% in the red at 50 and 100 yards. Last was the .243 that a friend had for his daughter and she was comfortable but the stock was a little long. She seemed to like it and it didn't hurt her.
So we will start to look for a .243 in a youth. I did a few Marlin XS&Y in my travels the last few day so we wil start there. I have a Savage in the 22-250 and have never had a problem and it's kept zeroed for 10 plus year yet some aren't to happy it seems. I will be trying to trade or sell it because it is a left hand gun and is just don't work right.LOL
Thanks all I will keep ya updated.

Inebriated
October 3, 2012, 01:14 AM
.243 will serve her very well, I think it's a great choice!

StretchNM
October 3, 2012, 01:29 AM
I didn;t read all the posts. I saw 30-06 being a tad large for her (I agree) and then alot of .243 recommendations. So I scrolled to the end in order to say this: 260 Remington. I'll guess I missed a few posts where guys recommended that cartridge.

My daughter's 14, and after what I consider to be considerable research, I've decided she can shoot that caliber. And! She can keep using it for decades to come.

RCArms.com
October 3, 2012, 02:06 AM
My daughter is hunting with her scoped AR this year in .223 and my son will be his first year and will have a Ruger 77/357. Shots where we hunt is 75 yards max in the timber.

Been mentioned previously, shot placement is far more important than caliber choice.

Don

deputydad
October 4, 2012, 09:04 PM
This is my daughter 2yrs ago at the age of 9 when she probably 65lbs shooting a Ruger 77 MKII in 260 rem shooting the Remington Reduced Recoil ammo, with no problems..

http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab290/deputydad3/285.jpg

mdauben
October 5, 2012, 11:22 AM
So I scrolled to the end in order to say this: 260 Remington. I'll guess I missed a few posts where guys recommended that cartridge.

Definitely a great cartridge perfectly suitable for deer and one I have considered more than once myself. A bit flatter shooting at extream ranges than the .243, but I'm not sure it actually offers any real benefit over the .243 for a beginner to off-set the harder to find, more expensive ammo.

rodinal220
October 5, 2012, 01:02 PM
I would look at a lever gun in 30-30,either a good used Winchester 94 or a Marlin 336(pre-remington) with some of the reduced recoil ammo available. Put a good recoil pad on it.
If she can handle a 308 or 30-06 go for it,but those platforms seem a little big in size and power range. A .243 or .257 roberts or a 6mm of some kind would be better a choice in my mind.
Even look to a Modern Sporting platform in 6.8SPC.

dprice3844444
October 5, 2012, 01:16 PM
243 would be best for her.don't want to turn her off due to heavy recoil at that age or size.light recoil,easy to carry,logistically on ammo,it's everywhere compared tp 7mm/08.now as far as 308,might be a little stout in the recoil,but if you shoot 30cal,interchangeable bullets.install a pachmeyer magum recoil pad on whatever you buy for her anyway

TwoEyedJack
October 5, 2012, 02:26 PM
I got my son a Weatherby Vanguard youth model in 7MM-08 and downloaded it to start with. It came with two stocks. Now he uses the longer stock and shoots full power loads. The Vanguard is a little heavy, which really helps tame the recoil.

skyhorse
February 15, 2013, 04:16 AM
I shoot with the girls all the time. I keep it positive,encouraging,and keep it fun and safe.
The best rifle in my opinion is the one she likes the best.
Easy on the recoil may make her more comfortable. My wife shoots her 5.56 much more often than her 303 carbine.

meanmrmustard
February 15, 2013, 08:21 AM
Definitely a great cartridge perfectly suitable for deer and one I have considered more than once myself. A bit flatter shooting at extream ranges than the .243, but I'm not sure it actually offers any real benefit over the .243 for a beginner to off-set the harder to find, more expensive ammo.
Heavier, flatter shooting, same recoil, better ballistic coefficient.

Reload for it!

Hokkmike
February 15, 2013, 09:20 AM
Sorry, I wouldn't pick any of those. I'd go for a more moderate (medium or small) caliber. I would choose anything from .223 up to 7mm08.

My favorite is the 6.5x55.

If you need a more ubiquitous selection go with a .243, .260, or 7mm08.

Good luck.

Oh, and - personal preference, I would stick with a bolt action.

The_Armed_Therapist
February 15, 2013, 09:49 AM
That's a great deal on the Savage 110. I'd get it even if it's not what she uses. LOL... Anyways, .30-06 can be loaded lightly for far less recoil and still be effective on deer. .308 not so much. As long as she has shot them before, I don't see a problem. If she's never shot anything that "high" before, it could turn her off if nothing else. The .30-30 should be great, and the lever guns always seem a little shorter in the stock than bolt guns... at least that's been my perception.

.243 would be even better. No reason a properly-placed shot with .243 won't drop the deer in seconds.

EDIT: Sorry, just read through. My post is outdated.

Arkansas Paul
February 15, 2013, 11:14 AM
Anyone shoot with a little women?

Yes sir, I do. My wife is 5'4" and weighs in at about 110-115 pounds. I took her out to shoot a .308 and after 3 shots she had a bruise on her shoulder and didn't want to shoot it anymore.
I got her a Ruger 77 in .243 and she can put most of a box through it with no worries.
I wouldn't start her off on a .308 or .30-06. You get her flinching now, and it'll be hard to get her to stop.

Furncliff
February 15, 2013, 12:59 PM
.243 or...
my choice would be a Marlin 1894 in .357magnum. With Buffalo Bore loads that come very close to 30-30 the 1894 is an excellent choice if the distances aren't too long. It's my daughters favorite. Way cheaper to practice with and a very handy rifle to tote.

dbarky
February 16, 2013, 02:44 PM
one point I would like to make for young shooters is comb height. It is critical that they are able to get that spot weld to the comb so that recoil will not give them a fat lip. You could fashion a comb riser with tape and some type of padding. You might consider a product made by Accu-Riser, google them, that allows you to increase/decrease the height as physical demensions change. The "fat lip" thing I learned about as a kid.

scottishkat
February 16, 2013, 09:25 PM
I bought my first 260 rem 3 years ago I own 4 now and I can shoot them all day. The bullet choices are better than .243 120 to 140 grain vs 85 to 105. Try to get the longer barrels the 20 barrel on some is probably not so good for deer. I really like shooting deer with my remington 700 lss mountain.

Good luck

Kachok
February 16, 2013, 10:46 PM
6.5mm for the win :D 260 Rem, 6.5x55, 6.5 Creedmore they all do pretty much the same thing with modern pressure loads. 120gr at 2,900-3050fps (depending on barrel length) and 140s about 200fps below that. I am partial to the Sweed though, only cartridge easier to develop loads for then a 30-06, unlike some short actions it is not finicky at all, 4350 through H1000 with any halfway uniform 120-140gr bullet and she sings a pretty song. Interestingly it shoots the cheap stuff better then the premo match bullets, still trying to figure that one out.

68wj
February 16, 2013, 11:31 PM
As much as I personally like a fixed stock, this is the reason I put an adjustable stock on my AR15. It is a 6.8 SPC for hunting but a good .223 bullet can work too.

Bob496
March 22, 2013, 11:53 AM
I to have a small daughter who decided to hunt. I took a Marlin 1894 44 mag mounted a low mount Bushnell 3x9, cut down a 336 pistol grip stock and installed a 1" recoil pad over all length is now 12" Modified the finger lever to fit the new stock, made it larger to allow for gloves. She has fired several rounds and take deer up to 80 yards. Use a 200gr XTP with 20 grains 2400. She shoots 1" groups at 50 yards. The main thing is what ever caliber or rifle make it fit her.

bantam9
March 22, 2013, 04:37 PM
I went with a .243

frankenstein406
March 22, 2013, 04:44 PM
How about a 6mm or 35 rem? Look into the 35 rem over 30 30

Dr T
March 22, 2013, 04:56 PM
243 or 257 Roberts would be my choice. When I was 15, 6' tall, and 200 lbs, a 30-06 gave me a terrible flinch. I had to get a 6 mm Rem to work my way out of it.

Kachok
March 22, 2013, 06:14 PM
Recoil depends alot on the rifle too, My Model 70 Featherweight 308 has less felt recoil then any 243 I ever shot. Well designed stock, great recoil pad, and reasonable weight, it's recoil is awful close to my T3 6.5x55 which I chalk up to the longer LOP and hard recoil pad.

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