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Flatbush Harry
October 1, 2012, 12:51 PM
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Just another fun day here in CO...in Estes Park, just a bit away from Rocky Mountain National Park. Will fourth rifle season get here already!

Cheers,

Harry

PS-Easterners would call this a 14-point bull...we call them 7-bys.

FH

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josiewales
October 1, 2012, 01:23 PM
Actually, here in the east (PA) I would call that a 7 by 7. Sooo.....;)
Anyway ,nice bull.

Flatbush Harry
October 1, 2012, 01:24 PM
I hope to remake his acquaintance in four weeks.

Cheers,

FH

Pilot
October 1, 2012, 01:26 PM
How was the Elk Festival? Elk burgers.......MMMMMM!

jim243
October 1, 2012, 01:30 PM
Looks more like a 6 x 6, but it could be the camera angle. I thought Rocky Mountain National was a protected area (no hunting). If you can hunt there let us know, $579 is not bad for a bull elk lics.

Jim

Flatbush Harry
October 1, 2012, 02:11 PM
You are correct, hunting in any National Park is prohibited and happily so. If this guy wanders into a game management unit outside of Estes Park he's gonna be freezer fare for someone.

We had a total elk herd of more than 300,000 in 2002 and the DOW is working hard to manage the herd given that there are few natural predators here since Wolf and Bear were basically eliminated from the state in the early 1900s. CO has one of the best elk populations in North America.

Please come to hunt here...your non-resident license will help us fund and manager our wildlife.

Cheers,

FH

Flatbush Harry
October 1, 2012, 02:12 PM
The elk festival was fun as always...gets you pumped for the season.

I'm going to the range this afternoon to practice field positions.

FH

06
October 1, 2012, 02:52 PM
Wow, $579 for an elk license--you can buy 100#s of steak for that. Think I will stay in NC and shoot 3/4 white tails for free. My son in Anchorage said the critters walk the streets almost at will. When in Montana he enjoyed moose quite a bit.

Inebriated
October 1, 2012, 03:09 PM
Gah I want to go do some Elk hunting... Send a few here to NC.

Magoo
October 1, 2012, 03:22 PM
They are already (back-reintroduced) in NC. I was watching them and listening to them bugle last week. You can't hunt them, as they're in GSMNP (Catalooche Valley specifically) and there's no season, but they're there.

Tennessee has a bit bigger population (~400) and issued four or five tags this year. It's not inconceivable that NC will have limited hunts in the future.

Vern Humphrey
October 1, 2012, 04:17 PM
We've got them in Arkansas, too -- but getting a tag is like winning the lottery.

Flatbush Harry
October 1, 2012, 04:21 PM
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j126/flatbush_harry/DSC01702_zps76af975f.jpg

Jim243,

I think you're right...I was looking at thumbnails and may have picked the wrong pic. Here's the photo of Mr. Big. He's a real trophy...and his winning a harem of 28 (and three gold-butt yearlings) is no surprise. He was a heckuva bugler!

Cheers,

Harry

C-grunt
October 1, 2012, 04:37 PM
I love Estes Park. I had a cousin that lived up there for years. One of the most beautiful places I have ever been.

Inebriated
October 1, 2012, 05:31 PM
They are already (back-reintroduced) in NC. I was watching them and listening to them bugle last week. You can't hunt them, as they're in GSMNP (Catalooche Valley specifically) and there's no season, but they're there.

Tennessee has a bit bigger population (~400) and issued four or five tags this year. It's not inconceivable that NC will have limited hunts in the future.

Wait wait wait, stop the thread!

They've reintroduced Elk here? Do you have a link or any info about it? Even if it meant no hunting, I'd love to just go and at least observe.

Vern Humphrey
October 1, 2012, 05:36 PM
Go here:

http://www.nps.gov/grsm/planyourvisit/cataloochee.htm

Visitors to Cataloochee also enjoy viewing deer, elk, turkey, and other wildlife.

WALKERs210
October 1, 2012, 05:47 PM
I gave up hunting around 15 yrs ago for a few personal reasons. At times when I see a bull like this I have to start rethinking my reasons. I am not way way out in the stick of Alabama but close enough, few yrs ago wife was complaining about rabbits eating her flowers. Told her no not rabbit, one morning about day break I called the wife to look out the back door. Less than 25 feet was a herd of around 15 deer and a couple nice racks to boot. Again things like that make me start to reconsider my reasoning to quit hunting. Wish I was there if nothing else just to dig out the camera.

Inebriated
October 1, 2012, 05:53 PM
Go here:

http://www.nps.gov/grsm/planyourvisit/cataloochee.htm

Thanks for the link! That is interesting, I hadn't heard a thing about it.

Double Vision
October 1, 2012, 05:53 PM
RMNP is spectacular, even without an elk sighting. Thanks for sharing the pics.

hentown
October 1, 2012, 06:11 PM
Isn't that about as challenging as shooting a cow or a horse?? :evil:

jim243
October 1, 2012, 06:20 PM
RMNP is spectacular, even without an elk sighting. Thanks for sharing the pics.

It certainly is, last time there, we spent an hour just watching the buffalo.

Jim

Vern Humphrey
October 1, 2012, 06:27 PM
Isn't that about as challenging as shooting a cow or a horse??
I take it you've never killed an elk.

Try hiking and scouting day after day on ridges as steep as a barn roof at 11,000 above sea level, with temperatures running down to 10 to 15 degrees farenheit in the early mornings, drizzling snow and sleet and then killing a 600-lb critter, skinning and quartering it, and packing all that meat, bone, hide and antlers up a steep scree slope out of a 500-foot deep canyon.

Successful elk hunting is some of the hardest physical work the average man will ever do.

Dr.Rob
October 1, 2012, 06:47 PM
Hunting them at 9500 feet is the easy part.

Real work starts when you shoot one.

Bentley4700
October 1, 2012, 06:55 PM
Thats the cause of 99% of the "traffic jams" in Estes Park! Great pics.

aka108
October 1, 2012, 07:09 PM
They are a PIA in Yellowstone. The bulls and their cows are too used to people and that can be dangerous. Elk meat is about as good as meat gets but I'd just as soon get mine where the animals are commercially grown and slaughtered, cut up, frozen and arrive by FEDEX. Less expensive that going on the hunt today.

Vern Humphrey
October 1, 2012, 07:10 PM
Hunting them at 9500 feet is the easy part.

Real work starts when you shoot one.
Amen!

Particularly if your elk isn't DRT, but has to be tracked a half mile or so and packed out from wherever he wound up.

I have tracked unwounded elk in the Rockies, and they have a nasty habit, if they know they're being tracked, of heading cross-slope. When you find yourself walking across an icy slope, one foot six inches higher than the other, and a few hundred feet to slide if you lose your footing, that's elk hunting!

Then making a kill and packing the carcass back that same route -- and it takes several trips -- is one of the worst workouts you can get.

doubleh
October 1, 2012, 07:17 PM
I drove thru Estes Park from the west and turned around and drove back thru it last summer. Elk everywhere and quite a few moose also. They are SO WILD. :what: People out walking amongst the elk taking pictures and being ignored by the animals. I didn't see anyone attempt to get friendly with the moose but they were close to the road and paid no attention to their admirers, even those with calves. I got a bunch of great pictures but used the zoom feature on my camera.

Beautiful country as is a lot of Colorado. Nice place to visit in the summer but too cold and too much snow for this hot country feller.

I went back this summer and saw some different country. Hope to get back next year and see Uray and some of the surrounding areas.

DammitBoy
October 1, 2012, 07:18 PM
Sounds great!

doc2rn
October 1, 2012, 07:20 PM
I love watching them run in Estes durring the mating season, kinda cool to watch from a distance. Definately taking pics next time!

DAP90
October 1, 2012, 07:42 PM
They like to congregate in Moraine Valley inside RMNP right about now. They come down right around evening and you can get on some rocks and watch the bulls fight. I’ve been there when there was a hundred or so all together in this valley with the bulls bugling and bashing horns together – very cool stuff.

Flatbush Harry
October 1, 2012, 11:38 PM
None in Morain Valley on Sunday but these were on the grounds of the local high school right near downtown.

Cheers,

FH

Art Eatman
October 2, 2012, 10:43 AM
One thing that lowlands folks learn the hard way when hunting in the high country: When you go from an elevation of maybe 300 feet on up to 9,000 or 10,000, "There ain't any air in the air up there." Heart-attack City.

Vern Humphrey
October 2, 2012, 11:29 AM
Youi better believe it. Fortunately, it isn't so bad if you live above a thousand feet -- but it's still pretty tough. As I have said before, elk hunting is the hardest work you will ever do.

jmorris
October 2, 2012, 01:20 PM
Quote:
Isn't that about as challenging as shooting a cow or a horse??

I take it you've never killed an elk.



I bet he's never even killed a horse.

627PCFan
October 2, 2012, 04:04 PM
I hunt surrounded by 3 horse farms and one cow farm. I pray everytime I go out that I see an untagged cow on my side of the fence......God do I pray.

JohnM
October 2, 2012, 04:26 PM
Quote:
Isn't that about as challenging as shooting a cow or a horse??

I take it you've never killed an elk.
I bet he's never even killed a horse.

Sounds to me like a comment from someone who's never hunted anything.

desidog
October 2, 2012, 04:50 PM
Well, if you can shoot it with a camera....

/Is that picture on a golf course? perhaps a 3-wood and a solid 1.68".

//all kidding aside, I developed a "never shoot an elk if you're more than a mile from the road" rule while living in Idaho.

1911 guy
October 3, 2012, 12:19 AM
Heh. I don't like shooting ANYTHING out of sight of the road. However, that usually means not shooting anything. So, I do like everybody else. Go where the animals are, try my best to bag one, then swear like a sailor when I have to pack it out.

Maybe that's why I enjoy small game so much. Stuff a half dozen squirrels or rabbits in your bag and stroll home. Mo' Betta' than hauling meat down a mountain while trying to convince yourself you're not actually dying. Yet.

Davek1977
October 3, 2012, 04:16 AM
I pray everytime I go out that I see an untagged cow on my side of the fence......God do I pray. Unless South Dakota law is drastically different than VA law....shooting a cow, tagged or not, will result in serious issues. Just because an animal escapes an enclosure, doesn't make it fair game to be shot in any jurisdiction i'm aware of. I hope the post was in jest.

sixgunner455
October 3, 2012, 11:23 AM
big difference between shooting something and killing it. Shooting it isn't really the hard part. Finding it? That's can be a challenge. Hitting it hard and actually killing it is another thing. Hauling it out after? That's hard work.

shamelessinct
October 3, 2012, 11:43 AM
Norm Strung penned an article in the October 1984 edition of Field & Stream magazine entitled "The Best Place to Shoot a Moose". In his estimation, the best place to shoot a moose was in close proximity to a pick up truck.

Vern Humphrey
October 3, 2012, 12:22 PM
Killing an elk evokes two emotions -- a loud "YEE-HAW!!," followed by, "Great Googlie Mooglie! What have I got myself into now?"

sixgunner455
October 4, 2012, 11:41 AM
And yet, even knowing that, I hope I kill one next week. A lot.

Vern Humphrey
October 4, 2012, 12:25 PM
I'll mark it on the calendar and think about you having your coronary packing it out.:p

sixgunner455
October 4, 2012, 03:37 PM
:D

It's in an ATV-allowed recovery area, so as long as I'm not too high up for the wheels to go ...

In which case, I may be calling the pack mules. I may be crazy enough to go up there, but I don't think I'm up for the coronary.

Vern Humphrey
October 4, 2012, 03:46 PM
Let us know what it was like when you get back.

Here in Arkansas, I live above a thousand feet, which makes a big difference when going to higher altitudes. And I train for elk season by hiking 7 miles every morning, with over 1,200 feet of altitude change total.

It kicks my butt -- but I survive when I get to the Rockies.

sixgunner455
October 4, 2012, 03:58 PM
I live and work between 4700 and 5500 ft. I go up as high as I can, as often as I can, but had some pretty nasty bug last week, and it screwed up my training schedule.

Gonna go hike this evening, I think. And load some more rifle rounds.

I will definitely let you know how it goes.

Vern Humphrey
October 4, 2012, 05:13 PM
The higher you live, the better.

I had a friend who pointed out that for the Mexico City Olympics, some competitors trained at high altitudes, "and it didn't do anything for them."

Well, yeah. A fully-trained olympic athlete is not going to see much of an improvement, no matter what he adds to his routine. But the average guy, who is about 20% conditioned, will see a big difference from prolonged training at altitude.

H&Hhunter
October 4, 2012, 07:44 PM
Gentlemen,

That is a 7x7 you don't even need to count each point when looking at an elk, if he has sword points he has at least four on each side. So all you need to do is count the remaining tines behind the swords and he has an obvious three behind each sword.

I hate to tell you this but.. While he is a big bodied bull he's young and wouldn't score all that great, he's lacking tine and beam length as well as mass. Decent fronts, weak backs.:)

Would I shoot him on public land in an over the counter area ? YOU BET I WOULD! But I would NOT shoot that bull in a prime area such as unit 2-201 under any circumstances.

Vern Humphrey
October 4, 2012, 07:57 PM
Gentlemen,

That is a 7x7 you don't even need to count each point when looking at an elk, if he has sword points he has at least four on each side. So all you need to do is count the remaining tines behind the swords and he has an obvious three behind each sword.

I hate to tell you this but.. While he is a big bodied bull he's young and wouldn't score all that great, he's lacking tine and beam length as well as mass. Decent fronts, weak backs.

Would I shoot him on public land in an over the counter area ? YOU BET I WOULD! But I would NOT shoot that bull in a prime area such as unit 2-201 under any circumstances.
On the other hand, I was bow-hunting many years ago on the military reservation at Fort Benning, Georgia. I had set up a stand, and walked into the area dragging a cloth soaked with scent.

After I'd been in the stand a while, a little doe came right up to the cloth, which was lying under the stand and wouldn't leave.

And then a voice from On High said to me, "This is the deer I sent you." TWANG!:p

H&Hhunter
October 4, 2012, 10:46 PM
Yep, you take what you take for your own reasons when hunting!:)

MCgunner
October 6, 2012, 03:03 PM
Youi better believe it. Fortunately, it isn't so bad if you live above a thousand feet -- but it's still pretty tough. As I have said before, elk hunting is the hardest work you will ever do.

Tougher getting out the meat, but goats and sheep, man, that's some rugged high country.

Vern Humphrey
October 6, 2012, 03:06 PM
Oh, yeah. Never killed a goat or a sheep -- but elk are mankillers when it comes to packing them out.

gearchecker
October 7, 2012, 12:50 AM
Wow, $579 for an elk license--you can buy 100#s of steak for that.
Let's see, an average elk weighs in around 600 Lbs. A big bull can easily weigh more than 750 Lbs. That's one heck of a lot of steaks, burgers and roasts for the money invested. And if you've ever had an elk steak, you'll never want to go back to beef. that's for sure!

You've just got to move out here. Then you can get a resident license for practically nothing.
My hunting license is only $12.75. The Elk tag is only another $30.75.
So for less than $50 I get to go elk hunting.
It's really not about the money, it's the complete adventure of hunting the largest non-predator on the continent. I have a family member that's 84 years old, and he's bagged his elk every year for the last 14 years since he moved out to Idaho, except for last year, because he had an accident broke a few ribs and punctured his lung. He'll be back out again this season.
The only meat I've found that's better then elk, is moose.
I bought my first left handed hunting rifle this year so I could get out and try for my elk, but I broke my hand and the doctor says no hunting this season because the bones need to heal completely and the shooting my rifle will put too much stress on my hand and probably break it again. So I'll have to wait till next year.

sixgunner455
October 7, 2012, 12:55 AM
Wow. Costs a lot more than that in AZ.

rondog
October 7, 2012, 02:34 AM
Estes Park and RMNP are awesome! We always rent a cabin in Estes Park every Labor Day weekend. I think our second year, this boy was grazing around the place.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/vacations/0000706-R1-024-10A.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/vacations/0000706-R1-026-11A.jpg

If you look at the far right, you can just see me with my video camera and tripod. The video I shot is too large of a file to post, but he got close...really close. He crossed over the guardrail just to my right, as I gingerly crossed over it the other direction keeping the camera/tripod between us. I had my .45 on, but I don't think I could have got it out quick enough.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/vacations/249.jpg

This video is in RMNP, these boys were just showing off for the tourists, right off the edge of the road. Click on the image to play it.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/videos/th_20100906173850.jpg (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/videos/?action=view&current=20100906173850.mp4)

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