AR-15 / 5.56 for pigs?


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Gary O
October 2, 2012, 04:55 PM
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CoRoMo
October 2, 2012, 05:02 PM
It's been proven to kill them just fine. Shot placement is always the meme that should rightfully show up here.

I'd use well constructed and heavy bullets IIWM.

68wj
October 2, 2012, 05:05 PM
Avoid the varmint bullets and pick your shots and .223 is fine. If you start to find otherwise in your experience, there are many great variant cartridges available for the AR.

meanmrmustard
October 2, 2012, 05:26 PM
Go for it. I recommend the Barnes VorTx 55 gr copper solid. It'll hold together better on that shield of theirs.

BP Hunter
October 2, 2012, 05:44 PM
Just shoot them behind the ears. DOn't bother shooting them thrrough the chest.

Swampman
October 2, 2012, 05:45 PM
I've had the best luck with 64 grain Gold Dots and Federal Fusions. The 64 grain Winchester Power Points worked pretty good as well. I haven't personally used any Barnes TSX in .223/5.56 on hogs, but friends that have give mixed reviews, some like 'em, some hate 'em, there doesn't seem to be much middle ground.
I actually did reasonably well with 55 grain FMJ, but the performance was spotty, sometimes it would drop 'em in their tracks, other times they took off like an SR-71.
As CoRoMo said, shot placement is the main thing, just keep in mind that you're limiting yourself on angling shots compared to heavier calibers, this is assuming that you're hunting for meat.

helotaxi
October 2, 2012, 05:59 PM
Also don't forget that Nosler makes the Partition in .224 cal.

threefortyduster
October 2, 2012, 08:58 PM
Don't forget, there's always the Winchester Razorback round now.

I haven't used it since I don't have a .223 or a .308, but its out there :)

Happy Hunting.

wow6599
October 2, 2012, 09:07 PM
Some of those big boars would scare me using a 5.56. I would like a little heavier round.....

YMMV

allaroundhunter
October 2, 2012, 09:20 PM
I don't have any reservations using my AR for pigs. Heck, most any rounds (not varmint) will do the trick just as well as any other when you shoot them behind the ear or (my favorite) the neck.

The neck shot offers more room for error. If you miss high, you will hit the brain stem and still manage an instantly killing shot. Miss higher, and you either have a flesh wound that will be shrugged off, or you will have a clean miss. If you miss low, you will take out the windpipe, carotid artery, or jugular vein. Miss any lower, and again, either a flesh wound or a clean whiff.

Texan Scott
October 2, 2012, 10:27 PM
BP Hunter had it. Just behind the ear, through the base of the skull or first cervical vertebrae, destroying the brainstem. Drops ANYTHING dead. 223 will do fine.

TexasPatriot.308
October 2, 2012, 10:29 PM
go for a sure kill AR10s in .308 of course, not questions need be asked.

helotaxi
October 3, 2012, 11:53 PM
Some of those big boars would scare me using a 5.56. I would like a little heavier round.....

YMMV
If 30 rounds won't get the job done, perhaps your number is up.

JHenry
October 4, 2012, 12:02 AM
go for a sure kill AR10s in .308 of course, not questions need be asked.

maybe 300 blk? seems like it would be a good round for hogs. more punch than 223 but not as much recoil as the 308 for quicker follow ups. plus it uses standard 223 bolts and what not so all that need be changed is the barrel.

allaroundhunter
October 4, 2012, 12:05 AM
maybe 300 blk? seems like it would be a good round for hogs. more punch than 223 but not as much recoil as the 308 for quicker follow ups. plus it uses standard 223 bolts and what not so all that need be changed is the barrel.

There really is no reason to spend more money on the .300 BLK when the 5.56 will do the job just fine. .308 Win ARs also do not have much recoil at all.

If I was going to take an AR for hog hunting (and I do), it would either be in 5.56 or .308. No reason that either of these won't work.

Inebriated
October 4, 2012, 12:08 AM
As usual, shot placement is key.

A .223 to the brainstem/spine will drop it the same as a .50 BMG or .22 LR.

JHenry
October 4, 2012, 12:38 AM
true but i think sometimes lining up that shot can be difficult, a 308 would surely be fine but if you already have an Ar-15 in 223 but want something with more punch, a 300 blk seems to be a good alternative to spending more than a $1000 on an Ar-10, when you could buy a 223 and decide you want something more potent and just switch over to a 300 BLK.

So imo go with the 223 and if you determine it to be inadequate the 300 blk conversion is an option.

Ignition Override
October 4, 2012, 01:31 AM
Youtube: Enter "Freedom Helicopter Hog Hunt High Definition". For others, simply enter "helicopter pig hunt".

In my favorite video, Vance kills a number of them with a Rock River AR-15 from a Robinson helicopter flown by Matt.
They are near the Brazos River in central Texas. This might answer your question.

dubbleA
October 4, 2012, 01:53 AM
The above is very true indeed. One one my family members has a helicopter service that does just that. The AR platform in 223 along with Robibson R22 and 44's kill hogs by the thousands. It's very adaptable as far as sights and has a high rate of fire. With firing 10's of 1000's of rounds in a year it's low recoil is appreciated, plain ol 55FMJ's are effective and economical in a business sense. It's not hunting per se but it's killing and controling nuisance vermin/pest.

henschman
October 4, 2012, 05:58 PM
Those vermin don't deserve expensive hunting ammo... screw 'em, just use surplus military ball and let 'er rip!

allaroundhunter
October 4, 2012, 06:07 PM
Those vermin don't deserve expensive hunting ammo... screw 'em, just use surplus military ball and let 'er rip!

While I don't use expensive hunting ammo on them, I also don't "spray and pray" on 'em. I still want to make good shots.

Unless you just fall on your butt, you can evade them pretty easily if they do attack you, too. They don't scare me a bit.

How many run-ins with them have you had? If they feel threatened, you are in some serious trouble; especially if it is a decent sized boar. They are quick, and quite agile as well....I would not say that evading them is easy by any means if they are actually committed to an attack...

Even when I am armed, I fear running into one that is in a bad mood...

meanmrmustard
October 4, 2012, 06:19 PM
Those vermin don't deserve expensive hunting ammo... screw 'em, just use surplus military ball and let 'er rip!
Agreed. But, if a methodical and exacting shot is the goal, I stand by the Barnes.

stubbicatt
October 4, 2012, 06:51 PM
LOL. I passed this thread a couple times.

I had a friend who used to hunt hogs from a trailer blind which he constructed. I had no interest, consequently his tales just sort of passed over my head. But he started out with a 44 magnum rifle. Then he had a scare involving some big old sow charging him, and uploaded to a 444 Marlin. Then another scare involving some big old hog, so he ended up using a 416 Remington Magnum from then on to try to stop these porkers in their tracks.

He made it sound absolutely frightening.

I read of 223 being used on hogs, and I wonder... :rolleyes:

Have fun guys!

TIMC
October 4, 2012, 07:58 PM
As said many times shot placement is key when using an inadequate caliber. You will find you have less than stellar results in kills as live game is not a paper target and does tend to move a lot causing less than perfect shot placemnet that is forgiven with an adequate caliber but will not be seen with the .223, I do own a couple of AR's in .223 but I do not hunt with them other than small game.

I have other AR's in 6.5 Grendel, .50 Beowulf and .308 that will do the job much better and are much more forgiving when your pig decides to take a step as you pull the trigger causing you to make a less than perfect shot and trust me it will happen more than you think.

Nothing wrong with hunting using AR's and I do it almost exclusively but as I said I keep my AR's in .223 for paper killing and let the big boys do the grocery shopping.

Double Naught Spy
October 4, 2012, 08:44 PM
As said many times shot placement is key when using an inadequate caliber.

No, shot placement along with trajectory and penetration are the keys with EVERY caliber.

Here is my new favorite example. Shot placement is great at 4:20 in the video, or would have been, but trajectory and penetration turned out poor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRbmS5ZRvUs&list=UUnLqchsJrqb56KHqyl_acrQ&index=1&feature=plcp

The maker of the video does like larger calibers such as .308 which seems to be his preference.

BP Hunter had it. Just behind the ear, through the base of the skull or first cervical vertebrae, destroying the brainstem. Drops ANYTHING dead.

To shoot through the skull with a just behind the ear shot will require some work. If you are directly left or right and shooting level, behind the ear will likely result in behind the skull because the ear is located almost at the very back of the skull. So if you include the width of the external pinna (ear), a shot behind the ear can literally be behind the skull.

This downward angled shot did catch the vertebrae and was behind the ear, and even clipped the ear, but completely missed the back of the skull.

docsleepy
October 4, 2012, 11:05 PM
My only experience is from a tree stand, so I didn't have to worry about the hogs getting me. 65 grain Sierra Pro hunters, one shot behind the ear worked great. Exit wound was considerably larger, size of my little finger.

wow6599
October 4, 2012, 11:54 PM
If 30 rounds won't get the job done, perhaps your number is up.

Perfect.....

I didn't know a hog gives you 30 rds before they decide to fight back.

Eb1
October 4, 2012, 11:56 PM
I say pull the trigger and go fetch the dead pig. Ear and neck shots make for easy fetching.

Mitchfx
October 5, 2012, 12:06 AM
Perfect for pigs i would recommend using the razorback xt 64gr php win drops them very well

allaroundhunter
October 5, 2012, 10:24 AM
Perfect for pigs i would recommend using the razorback xt 64gr php win drops them very well

It, IMO is a marketing gimmick, and I will not spend $1+ per round on a pig when cheaper stuff does the job just as well.

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helotaxi
October 5, 2012, 10:41 AM
Perfect.....

I didn't know a hog gives you 30 rds before they decide to fight back.
How long does it take you to unload a mag in an aimed fashion? How close do you let them get before you fire the first shot? How close until the follow-ups? They're pigs, not cape buffalo. Yes, they can mess you up if they get to you, but they're not like a Mack truck to stop. A PH with a double rifle can fire 5 aimed shots in less than 5 seconds. If you can't get off more than 3x that in that time with an AR...

Perhaps a semi-auto shotgun with slugs is more your thing?

Double Naught Spy
October 5, 2012, 03:03 PM
If he is a PH, then why is he firing 5 shots with a double rifle at a pig? They're not like a Mack truck to stop!

It doesn't matter what a PH can do anymore than it matters what Bob Munden can do. We ain't those guys.

helotaxi
October 5, 2012, 09:11 PM
If he is a PH, then why is he firing 5 shots with a double rifle at a pig? They're not like a Mack truck to stop!

It doesn't matter what a PH can do anymore than it matters what Bob Munden can do. We ain't those guys.
No, he's proving that he can do it in a backup situation against a cape buffalo. My point is that if you can't shoot a semi-auto with essentially zero recoil significantly faster...

But seriously, guys hunt feral hogs all the time with bows. From the ground. Without a backup. If you really want to get up close and personal with them, that's your choice, but if you're so scared of them that you think an AR15 with premium hunting ammo is insufficient, you either shouldn't be messing with them or should stick to longer range work.

r1derbike
October 5, 2012, 11:04 PM
I wouldn't use my 6920 on any larger than pocket-pigs. Maybe with some mk262 mod 1 rounds, but I'd be ready to run-like-hell, just the same. I value my twig-n-berries and other body parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVlrSVsAdpI

North Texan
October 6, 2012, 05:56 AM
If a person can't kill a hog reliably with a .223, they aren't shooting well enough to be hunting.

I've killed hundreds of them with my .223 A-bolt, and I've never had a problem dropping them at any angle. If they are running straight away, I may have to use a disabling shot before I can place a clean kill shot, but that would be the case regardless of caliber. Any other direction, and they are easy pickings. I've always used 55 grain gamekings, but pretty much any controlled expansion round will work wonders.

JustinJ
October 6, 2012, 01:46 PM
Those vermin don't deserve expensive hunting ammo... screw 'em, just use surplus military ball and let 'er rip!

No animal "deserves" to suffer needlessly. That's a simple thing to understand.

Dean1818
October 6, 2012, 05:54 PM
6.8 continues to grow and hits much harder than a 5.56

alsaqr
October 6, 2012, 07:12 PM
No animal "deserves" to suffer needlessly. That's a simple thing to understand.

This.

Allowing an animal to suffer is not the right thing to do.

If a person can't kill a hog reliably with a .223, they aren't shooting well enough to be hunting.

Bingo!!

Regardless of the guns caliber, i pass on many, many hog shots. My .223/5.56mm rifles have killed over 200 hogs, including about 60 killed this year. i prefer the US military M193 ball round. At distances to about 175 yards; when fired from a 20" or longer barrel, the 55 grain FMJ bullet penetrates about 5", yaws 90 degrees, breaks into at the cannelure and fragments. When a hog is shot behind the crook in the front leg; the bullet shreds the lungs, heart and, often, the diaphragm.

Only once has the 55 grain military FMJ failed to fragment. It was a long shot with 16" barrel carbine. It did not matter because the bullet went through the top of the hogs heart. i've have never lost a hog that was shot with a .223. If you handload .223 ammo the 53 or 55 grain Barnes TSX are very good bullets. Put the bullet in the right place and the .223 is a good hog killer.

Military bullet wound patterns by Col. Martin Fackler:

http://bajaarizona.org/fklr/fklr.html

Hogs are not rhinos. Yep, they will sometimes chase you. i've been chased four times. The only precaution i take is the wearing of chainsaw pants when going after wounded hogs.

Double Naught Spy
October 6, 2012, 07:51 PM
Hogs are not rhinos. Yep, they will sometimes chase you. i've been chased four times. The only precaution i take is the wearing of chainsaw pants when going after wounded hogs.

And hogs virtually never chase and harm people when the hogs have not been trapped, caught by dogs, or wounded by a hunter who is walking up the wounded animal which causes the animal to feel rightfully threatened. Generally, they ignore you or run away when they see you or see you have interest in them.

As far as using inexpensive ammo, I have no problem with that. I just shoot them in the brain with it. M855 works great. Other folks use 55 gr ball and it works well for them. You just have to know how to properly use your tools.

alsaqr
October 6, 2012, 09:59 PM
And hogs virtually never chase and harm people when the hogs have not been trapped, caught by dogs, or wounded by a hunter who is walking up the wounded animal which causes the animal to feel rightfully threatened.

This is true, usually.

Hogs that have German boar blood may act differenty: Many of the hogs here do have German boar blood: 100 pairs were imported from Germany about 12 years ago and released in SW OK. One day i was walking through a field and saw some pigs in the grass: Momma hog was mud bathing in the pond about 50 yards away; i had gotten between the pond and her kids. She weighed almost 175 pounds and looked bigger coming at me: i killed her. Another time i was charged by a boar who responded to the distress call of a sow i had wounded. Yep, they do have a distress call that will bring the cavalry. A friend was hunting when a big sow hit him from behind, knocking him down.

We have taken 11 sows and one boar off a section in the past week. Thats made a slight dent in the future hog population of that area. We caught these yesterday morning; all sows.

http://i.imgur.com/YWJ0Dl.jpg

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