a few questions about Saiga rifles...


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Dorkfish88
October 2, 2012, 08:20 PM
Would i be better of spending $500-$600 on one that's already been converted or buy plain-jane $400 saiga and convert it myself or have it converted later? and to put a standard AK handguard on there, all i need is the proper gas tube correct? and what would i need to put a comp on the muzzle, like say an AK74 comp?

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fatcat4620
October 2, 2012, 08:25 PM
Would i be better of spending $500-$600 on one that's already been converted or buy plain-jane $400 saiga and convert it myself or have it converted later? and to put a standard AK handguard on there, all i need is the proper gas tube correct? and what would i need to put a comp on the muzzle, like say an AK74 comp?
I would do it myself or buy an arsenal. The half converted rifles suck. You also need a handguard retainer for the standard handguard. It is a pain to put a milspec one on but you can bolt one on. Not all saigas are threaded so you nary have to thread the barrel for a break. What you might want to do is spend a little more for a rifle that comes with the front end converted.
Here is a link to the ones with front end conversion
http://centerfiresystems.com/SAI-762IZ332.aspx

meanmrmustard
October 2, 2012, 08:29 PM
Me being you, I'd do it myself. You'd get what you want on it the first time around and learn a thing or two about the platform. Plus, it's fun!

Dorkfish88
October 2, 2012, 08:36 PM
I would do it myself or buy an arsenal. The half converted rifles suck. You also need a handguard retainer for the standard handguard. It is a pain to put a milspec one on but you can bolt one on. Not all saigas are threaded so you nary have to thread the barrel for a break. What you might want to do is spend a little more for a rifle that comes with the front end converted.
Here is a link to the ones with front end conversion
http://centerfiresystems.com/SAI-762IZ332.aspx
well with my financial situation, an Arsenal is not an option as much as I'd love to have one, and i've seen that saiga on centerfire before and of course they're sold out of it, i haven't seen many of those with the fore end also converted...

Dorkfish88
October 2, 2012, 10:05 PM
actually i looked around and found some saigas with converted fore ends on atlantic firearms for about the same price...

a 7.62x39:
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=1393&virtuemart_category_id=23

and a 5.45mm
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=1450&virtuemart_category_id=23

JFtheGR8
October 4, 2012, 04:52 AM
Why convert the front end? Unless you really want the classic AK look. I like the longer Saiga hand guard. More real estate for getting a grip on the weapon. I put the Tapco one with rails on mine. Works really well for me.


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henschman
October 4, 2012, 01:21 PM
The factory AK front end gives you more options for aftermarket handguards. There are longer ones available that extend up to the gas block if you are so inclined, and they are not made of flimsy plastic and don't have the goofy bottom sling swivel attached to the barrel like a factory Saiga one does. With the original Saiga style handguard, you are basically limited either to it or the Tapco replacement one.

I agree that the Saigas with AK-style front ends are the best deal going if you want to convert. They don't cost that much more than a regular Saiga... a lot less than what it would cost you to convert it to that setup yourself, and it is actually done at the Izmash factory instead of you having to half-ass it by bolting on an aftermarket handguard retainer. Plus it comes with an AK-style front sight and threaded muzzle (under a weakly-welded muzzle nut that is designed to come off easily), so you don't have to worry about milling a new pin notch, moving the front sight back, and threading the muzzle like you do on a regular Saiga if you want to have a threaded muzzle.

Girodin
October 5, 2012, 04:36 AM
The half converted rifles suck. You also need a handguard retainer for the standard handguard. It is a pain to put a milspec one on but you can bolt one on. Not all saigas are threaded so you nary have to thread the barrel for a break (sic). What you might want to do is spend a little more for a rifle that comes with the front end converted.

I assume by half converted you mean a gun with the factory saiga hand guard? How exactly do they suck?

Give the small difference for the gun's you linked to it is likely worth it just for the threaded barrel. The tools to thread it cost about $50, although they could be resold or reused to off set some of that price.

The factory AK front end gives you more options for aftermarket handguards. There are longer ones available that extend up to the gas block if you are so inclined, and they are not made of flimsy plastic and don't have the goofy bottom sling swivel attached to the barrel like a factory Saiga one does. With the original Saiga style handguard, you are basically limited either to it or the Tapco replacement one.

You are not real familar with AK handguards are you? Any of the extended handguards I'm familar with do not mount with the handguard retainer, some even require removing it and thus they can all be put on a saiga just as, or even more easily than any other AK variant.

You think the only option for the saiga is the Tapco? That is simply incorrect. Just off the top of my head there are handguards from SGM, TWS, Midwest industries (4 different ones from them actually), chaos, ultimak, etc. The best (IMHO) hand guard options are as easy to mount to a saiga as any other AK.

As to your other points I'm not sure I would call the saiga handguards flimsy. It is not. Cut into one and you'd it has metal reinforcements inside. I've never even heard of one breaking. As to the sling swivel, it is easily removed. If I had my choice between stock AK handguards and a stock saiga handguard I'd take the latter simply because it allows one to grip the rifle further out and thus have better control over it.

so you don't have to worry about milling a new pin notch, moving the front sight back, and threading the muzzle like you do on a regular Saiga if you want to have a threaded muzzle.

There are a few ways to go about threading a saiga, however, only the 308 requires moving the sight back. Most people tend to cut the shroud and if there are no factory threads underneath they then thread it. The gun linked to earlier does have a front sight block that allows for a cleaning rod too though.

Some folks are moving the sight block back against the gas block in an effort to shift weight to the rear so the gun balances better and there is less mass on the end of the muzzle adding in transitions from one target to another. Some people prefer this to going with something like a bolton gas block. Some are moving the sight block back in conjunction with shortening the barrel and pinning a brake or flash hider like on the gun below.

http://www.onesourcetactical.com/images/products/detail/TWSTSDAK5451.jpg

BTW that handguard is on a saiga.

aka108
October 5, 2012, 09:40 AM
Stock Saigas has become expensive. I think I would save a few more bucks and purchase a Arsenal. These are well crafted and nicely finished firearms and will have better value down the road than a self converted Saiga. I own one of the milled Arsenals and 2 Saigas that I left factory stock. They all shoot about the same.

OilyPablo
October 5, 2012, 10:12 AM
I did mine myself, back when the Saiga was much lower cost.

I just bought all the parts online from three or four websites. Most of it was pretty easy. I stained my blank alder stocks bright red. Duracoated the weld filled holes gloss black. I did farm out to an AK smith - the trigger job (I provided the shorter trigger/hammer arms). THAT was well worth it. The trigger is very, very sweet.

The ONLY thing I haven't done is the mag conversion. Reason? I got six Saiga 30 round mags for $20 at a gun show. Guy said he had no use for them. They were NEW, and still work fine. I guess when they wear out I will convert.

NOW if I was to do it again I would go for one of the Yugo variants now coming on the market. Did I misread? I thought the add said they have milled recievers......where was that ad???

SSN Vet
October 5, 2012, 03:20 PM
another DIY with a $247 sporter....

The single hook Tapco G2 will actually give you a pretty darn nice trigger.... mine breaks at 5# (as measured on a Lyman digital).

Since no one else seems to have said it, I will...... GET A 16" BARREL

As for the fore grip... I like the sporter.... especially when you "ventilate it"

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=172941&d=1349464796

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bozzman3
October 6, 2012, 09:39 PM
SSN how did you ventilate it?That looks awesome!!

arizona98tj
October 6, 2012, 10:12 PM
He may have done something like this to ventilate the hand guard (http://www.stu-offroad.com/firearms/saiga/saiga-1.htm).

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