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mainecoon
October 3, 2012, 08:18 PM
I am thinking of picking up a 308 bolt action for distances out to 600 yards. First priority is the gun should be fun to shoot. Any suggestions on great 308s? Or someone want to convince me otherwise?

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savanahsdad
October 3, 2012, 08:41 PM
I'm a Savage fan , so there's my vote , out to 600 yards ! make sure you don't skimp on glass ! Is this going to be a target gun or hunting gun ?or both? , a good 600 yard gun will be heavy , thats not to say you can't tune a hunting gun to do that, it can be done , it is just eazyer with a good heavy target gun , and yes a 308 will do the job , I'd go with a mag, or 7mm (284) for those longer shots , but first we would need to know what your getting it for.

mitchz
October 3, 2012, 08:52 PM
Savage 10FCPS. It has an excellent stock, fluted barrell with a muzzle break and an awsome trigger so you can shoot all day.

C-grunt
October 3, 2012, 09:01 PM
308 is just beginning to stretch its legs at 600 yards. I'm a Remington fan myself but any of the target rifles wi serve you well. I had a Savage 10FP that was very accurate. My Remington 700 LTR was the best I've had so far.

thezoltar
October 3, 2012, 09:02 PM
I shoot a Savage 10PC in 308. 600 yards is still in the easy zone. It's a good inexpensive caliber to get started with.

Redlg155
October 3, 2012, 09:14 PM
Savage offers a great bang for the buck. Great accuracy and triggers.
My only complaint is that the stocks on some models are crappy. Still, replace it with a Bell and Carlson Medalist and you bave a great rifle.

mainecoon
October 3, 2012, 09:17 PM
Thanks, this will be mostly for paper punching and occasional groundhogs. I was considering a Ruger Gunsite Scout for the fun factor, but imagine the Savages would be better target rifles. I have a Remington 700 varminter but have never shot a Savage.

browningguy
October 3, 2012, 09:33 PM
For accuracy in a factory gun I would also go with a Savage, it's what I use but in .243. But for a fun gun I am really liking my FNAR, and with 20 round mags you could chew through some PD's in a hurry.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jcm9371/Rifles/FNAR1.jpg

lefteyedom
October 3, 2012, 09:35 PM
The 308 is a well balanced cartridge that has stood the test of time in combat, target range and the hunting field. Few cartridges are so well proven.

It is a heck of a bang for the bucl

PapaG
October 3, 2012, 10:29 PM
Savage 99, ruger 77, rummy 788, all shoot better than my per-64 70, my post 64 70, and with less powder, recoil, and fuss. I love the 308 which violates all the rules I was taught as a neophyte.....short neck, bad. 788, poor design. 99 savage, 2 pc stock bad. BS. Try 'em all, find what works and enjoy em.

mljdeckard
October 3, 2012, 10:35 PM
If you can't do it with a .308, it's unlikely you can do it with anything else.

I would cruise the pawn shops and look for a rifle that someone sold when their wife got pregnant. I think ANY of them could do the job out to 600 yards.

Welding Rod
October 3, 2012, 10:44 PM
It isn't a bolt action, but I can't think of a funner 308 than a M1A using iron sights and a good sling.

solvability
October 3, 2012, 10:47 PM
If you reload there are other options, but if you want to buy good ammo at Walmart it is hard to beat the 308 for versatility.

fireside44
October 3, 2012, 10:54 PM
what's so great about 308

Nothing really but there aren't many hi-cap autoloaders in 7mm mag either.:)

1911 guy
October 3, 2012, 11:33 PM
'Nother vote for Savage. For an accurate rifle at a good price, they're pretty hard to beat. My deer rifle has been a Savage .308 for over a decade now.

mshootnit
October 3, 2012, 11:39 PM
I think that 308 could serve well for what you mentioned. Some other fun ones would include 260 Rem and 270 WSM.

JC98
October 3, 2012, 11:40 PM
I vote savage as well. Have an 11FCNS with the DBM. Mainly for hunting but do punch paper. Best group with 168 gr SMK's was .437 at 200 yards. Do t do much shooting further than that but with the right load I a sure it is capable

Tempest 455
October 4, 2012, 08:08 AM
I will agree with Savage also. Get some Black Hills ammo and you are good to go.

nastynatesfish
October 4, 2012, 08:29 AM
I run hand loads in mine but I love shooting it. Mine is built up 98 Mauser
http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w369/tabascoman79/6717076D-D2D4-41F7-82A3-2E314DF2210B-22116-0000107D76B9A83D.jpg
Put a 20x super sniper on it

MTMilitiaman
October 4, 2012, 10:16 AM
There's better cartridges out there for sure, esp if you are willing to handload. The various 6.5 and 7mms with their high effeciency match projectiles can smoke the .308 Win. Look at the .260 Rem and 6.5 Creedmore, as well as the .284 Win and the 6.5-.284 Win. Any of these stoked with a heavy for caliber VLD will leave anything you can push out of a .30 cal in the dust very shortly and never look back.

The benefit of the .308 is that it is available, and we know pretty much everything there is to know about it. With match bullets it's no slouch out to about 800 bullets and it's been confirmed one-shot one-kill lethal at 1200+ yards. If you're not interested in handloading, finding quality match ammo for the .308 Win is much easier than just about anything else. And if you do handoad, you'll have a lot more data available for the .308 Win than pretty much anything else. The .308 has been used successfully and studied intensely for decades and there is just nothing left to learn about it. It's a known quantity, and that counts for a lot to some people.

303tom
October 4, 2012, 10:33 AM
I to am a Savage guy & I can`t say a whole lot more than the guys ahead of me has said, the .308 Win. is a proven round, all I can say is if you want to stretch that 600 out some, you might go with a 06, be it a .25. .270, or .30...............

mnhntr
October 4, 2012, 10:40 AM
Bolt gun = Savage
Semi-auto = DPMS
.308 is a great caliber for long range (1200yds) due to the quality of factory match ammo out there and reloading components.

brnmuenchow
October 4, 2012, 11:52 AM
Winchester Model 70's always get my vote. LaRue Tactical OBR 7.62 or KAC SR-25 EM semi-auto's are awesome but pricey. Whatever you get plan on paying for a really good scope. You may already know this or it may have already been stated, but the .308 Win. is basically the same round (Although not exactly identical) 7.62X51mm NATO that our military forces use in their sniper rifles and machine guns and our snipers are shooting targets out from 100-600 yds on avg. the .308 Win. can actually reach 1,000 yds. if attempted by an experienced individual with the right setup.:)

henschman
October 4, 2012, 01:12 PM
.308 isn't the most efficient round ballistically, but it is popular because it is common and widely available, you can get cheap surplus, lots of good factory loads are available, and because you have more options for reloading than any other caliber. Plus you can kill any game in North America with it, other than the big bears.

Driftertank
October 4, 2012, 04:52 PM
If you want versatility, .308 is hard to beat. That's what it really comes down to. It's a very well-rounded cartridge that is suitable for a variety of hunting and sporting purposes, is readily available in many forms for different tasks, is relatively easy on equipment and shooters.

If i could have only one rifle to do anything i might ever need a rifle for, it'd be chambered in .308

HankC
October 4, 2012, 05:46 PM
"what's so great about 308"

Cheaper surplus ammo still can be found

Sheepdog1968
October 4, 2012, 11:33 PM
I think that the 308 is best limited to 1/4 mile and less, and Jeff Cooper said 300 yds, for big game. It's just not that powerful or high velocity a round. So it's trajectory and wind drift numbers aint great. It won't reliably expand a big game softpoint much beyond 400 yds, from 20" or so barrel lengths.
Just want to add some clarification Coopers 300 yards for hunting wasnt based on the cartridge. It was based on what most people were capable of that would provide clean ethical shots on an animal. Anything beyond 300 yards he felt you shouldn't brag about.

stubbicatt
October 5, 2012, 12:12 PM
The recommendations for the Remchesterby's are all well taken. If you would like to try something a little different, and of certainly equal and most likely better quality, get a CZ550. They have at least 3 different flavors, one of which will certainly suit you. Additionally, the 308's have detachable box magazines, so if you want to splurge you can get a high quality 10 rounder from them for not a whole lot of money.

I absolutely love my CZ. It is my favorite rifle to shoot any distances with, and 308 is my favorite cartridge for blasting with. I do find with today's prices, however, that handloading is a definite must.

Good luck and have fun with your new rifle.

adelbridge
October 5, 2012, 12:28 PM
I have owned several .308 guns and what it has going for it is short action and tacticool.
I can rattle off 1/2 dozen better short action cartridges for long range shooting. I am going to go against what has already been posted and declare the .308 begins to fall on its face after 250 yards. With an average cross breeze wind drift is about the same as bullet drop at 280 yards. 6 and 6.5mm bullets have a much better BC. .308 is a perfectly good hunting round out to 230-250 yards (longer than 90% of shots I take) and with a good bullet it can be potent enough for anything in texas.

joed
October 5, 2012, 01:16 PM
35 years ago when I bought my first centerfire rifle you couldn't have given me a .308. In fact I chose a .25-06 in a Remington 700 VS. The .25-06 is a fantastic cartridge and it has done everything I ever needed for 35 years.

That said, back in 2005 when Winchester announced it was closing the factory I ordered a model 70 Stealth in .308. I was never a fan of the .308 as it doesn't have a lot of velocity. After owning this rifle for 7 years I'm very impressed with the .308. That cartridge is very accurate and not at all finicky about what powder is used. Mine will shoot 1/2" groups all day and it is a stock rifle. It's the first rifle I've owned that doesn't need a fouling shot, I can tell you where every bullet will hit the target.

If I were down to 2 rifles and had to chose between the .25-06 and the .308 I'm not sure which I would let go. That says a lot about a cartridge I hated in the beginning.

savanahsdad
October 6, 2012, 03:45 AM
can't kill a bear ??? I know guys that bear hunt with bows , and I think a 308 has a bit more killing power than a bow ,

ifit
October 6, 2012, 05:16 AM
not as poplular as the savage or remington, but chose this for my firs bolt action a FNH TSR XP .308,
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/238-1.jpg
then my best group so far at 100y with a cheap bsa scope
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/619-1.jpg

Nasty
October 7, 2012, 08:21 AM
My fun 308 is the Ruger Scout as mentioned...

As stated...good for everything North American except the great Bears, Moose and Bison.

Yes...they have been taken by bow...but I try to be real and the ethics of clean kills matters to me.

blzeye
October 7, 2012, 10:00 AM
Remington 700 SPS Tactical gets my vote. I put in a Timney trigger, Harris bipod & Millet scope. Weighs about 11 lbs so it's no lightweight. But w/ a 20 in. barrel it's not too unwieldy. But can this thing shoot! Normally right around 1/2 MOA. I shoot beer cans full of water at 300 & half gallon milk cartons at 500 for fun.

hang fire
October 7, 2012, 12:18 PM
I like the .308 because it is extremely accurate with cast boolits.

TexasPatriot.308
October 7, 2012, 01:21 PM
as you can tell, I am a .308 fan. my favorite hunting rifle is an old Model 788, also love my AR10s and my M1As. at 58, I just dont shoot any larger calibers anymore, dont need or want to.

wyohome
October 7, 2012, 06:21 PM
my favorite hunting rifle is an old Model 788, Mine used to be as well. My wife shot all of my 308s, and claimed the 788 for her use.. I am back to using my 1968 model 760. The Win model 88 never has pleased me and my Kimber is too unreliable for anything but looking good in the safe.

sayak
October 7, 2012, 08:56 PM
My fun 308 is the Ruger Scout as mentioned...

As stated...good for everything North American except the great Bears, Moose and Bison.

Yes...they have been taken by bow...but I try to be real and the ethics of clean kills matters to me.
I'd hate to count the number of moose that have been taken in Alaska with the .308, both cleanly and efficiently. My best friend's wife gets her moose every year with a .243.
As they always say, "It's all about..."

06
October 7, 2012, 09:29 PM
Nothing on this continent that it will not take--and I do not even like 308s--LOL. My pick is the old trusted 30-06. Can load it from 110-200 grains and all sorts of boolits. Well you can the 308 also but the '06 packs just a hair more punch down range. I have a couple of 51s but don't tell anyone about that "inferior" round--lol.

wyohome
October 7, 2012, 09:33 PM
^Why don't you like .308?

Robert101
October 8, 2012, 02:36 PM
I like the .308 caliber very much and I'm not a fan of the 22 (or there abouts) calibers for anything larger than coyote. So to that end, the 308 Winchester has all that I need in this performance range. It is a do all varmit to big game getter within a reasonable distance of say 500 yards. If you need to extend that range then the 300 Mags is a viable upgrade. I must claify that the 30'06 does everything the 308 does but a little better. I like the 308 due to shorter action and better acceptance of powder variety - that's all.

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