Which rifle to get? Hmmmmm


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Jhamblen86
October 4, 2012, 05:30 AM
I have been looking into a quality bolt action for awhile now. I have it narrowed down to either a Remington 700 or a Savage. Just not sure what caliber to get. I had considered a .270 but is that big enough to get a good general purpose caliber. I don't have much experience with rifles at all. Any thoughts?

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Reloadron
October 4, 2012, 05:55 AM
While the .270 is a fine caliber one generally chooses a caliber for a rifles intended application. For general hunting Whitetail Deer as an example the .270, 30-06 or any number of calibers are fine. Some people also consider the cost of ammunition. So what is your intended application?

Ron

0VERKILL
October 4, 2012, 06:03 AM
Yes, intended application may play a role and influence advice. But without any further information I'd take a new Savage over a new Remington, the Savage being less expensive and typically more accurate out of the box. Savages are easy to swap barrels out on yourself too. The 270 Winchester is a versatile cartridge and a good "all around" chambering, just select the proper bullets and loads for the task at hand. Just my opinions, take them with a grain of salt.

dubya450
October 4, 2012, 06:14 AM
I'd definitely pick up the Savage over any new(er) Remington without second guessing myself. The only Remington id be intrested in myself is something from the custom shop. Have you checked Tikka out? No personal experience but everyone whos shot/owned one swears by them and they're relativily cheap. I played with one at cabelas and was pretty impressed. 270 would be a good general purpose caliber too.

savanahsdad
October 4, 2012, 06:16 AM
I have a savage 110 in270 and a 111 savage in 270 both have taken many big Wisconsin whitetails, I have inlaws that live neer Belgrade MT, and they hunt everything with 270's and they do hunt everything , bison , bear, deer , goats, elk,, if you plain on takeing long shots at larger game you may want to look at a mag, 270WSM 7WSM, 7RM 300win mag or a 300WSM , but if you are going to stay with in 400 yards a 270 is all you realy need,

Jhamblen86
October 4, 2012, 06:28 AM
The purpose of the rifle would include taking to the range just to play and hunt. I live in Illinois where I can't hunt with it but I am currently saving for a father son black bear hunt. Looking at Idaho so I figured I would want descent range capabilities. I had looked into a 30 caliber or 7mm but don't want to spend an arm and a leg on ammo. Unless I haven't researched my ammo enough?

ZGunner
October 4, 2012, 06:42 AM
A Savage Axis in .308 or 30-06 wouldnt break the bank to buy or to shoot. Also available in .270...

More expensive rifles would be more accurate I'm sure, but it might be something worth looking into.

savanahsdad
October 4, 2012, 06:52 AM
a 270 is the only one close to a mag without going to a mag or handloading something else on the hot side, and you can get rounds heavy enough for bear ,I'd go with a barns-X solid and take head shots, others would say take any shot the 270 will do the job , I just don't like tracking lol,,I know guys that have taken bear with a bow , just take the right shot

Captcurt
October 4, 2012, 09:48 AM
For a do-it-all gun, the 30-06 is hard to beat but the 270 comes close. I have hunted with both calibers and would take either one at any time. That said, I must confess that I have taken more game with the 270. One Ruger 77 has taken 22 whitetails, 2 mulies, 2 pronghorn and a bobcat. Nearly all rifle companies chamber both rounds. Savage was one of the best buys for several years but are priced up with the big dogs now. They are still good but no bargain like they once were.

brnmuenchow
October 4, 2012, 10:30 AM
I have a Winchester Model 70 in .270 Win. absolutely love the .270 Win. cartridge great all around choice. As for what to get Savage makes a great rifle I am still on the fence when it comes to Remington products...always have, so I say go with the Savage.

elrowe
October 4, 2012, 10:56 AM
Nothing wrong with either - but since you didn't say which Savage, two pennies says to make sure it's an Accutrigger model, the difference is easy to feel.

.270 is a great, versatile cartridge for anything bigger than a bunny and smaller than a grizzly. Surplus .308's cheaper to shoot if you don't handload, so that might be a good alternative if you plan to push a lot of lead downrange.

jmr40
October 4, 2012, 10:57 AM
If it is for mostly range use you can get 308 ammo cheaper. If you decide to hunt with it a 308 is plenty for anything in North America. The 270 or 30-06 will offer slightly flatter trajectory and energy numbers, but not enough to matter in the real world.

loose noose
October 4, 2012, 11:03 AM
I've shot more mulies than I can count with a .270, not to mention pronghorn, and even a couple of elk, I even shot a medium sized white tail with it. Of course mine is a much older Remington 700 BDL Custom Deluxe, I bought new in '71. The farthest I've shot was a large mulie that according to my Bushnell Range Finder was just a tad over 500 yards, that deer turned and took about 2-3 steps and went right down. Yes a .270 is a very versatile caliber, and if I had to do it again I'd probably go with the Savage, cause they are one of the most accurate out of the box. Remington's new ones aren't near as accurate as their older ones from what I've been hearing.

slowr1der
October 4, 2012, 11:37 AM
Savage for sure, but I'd get the 10/110, etc. Not the Axis.

ZXD9
October 4, 2012, 12:46 PM
I have a Savage 10FP in .308. No complaints. Cost effective and very accurate. Took two deer last year and shoots MOA out to 400 when I'm not screwing up.

jim243
October 4, 2012, 01:01 PM
Savage Model 10 in 270.

Jim

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Jhamblen86
October 4, 2012, 05:38 PM
I never realized how popular the 270 is.

Captcurt
October 4, 2012, 10:54 PM
I never realized how popular the 270 is.
270 and 30-06 are my best sellers. Beat the others 2 to 1.

lefteyedom
October 5, 2012, 12:37 AM
Jack O Conner made a career out of the 270 Winchester. For everything but big brown bears it will do fine if the correct load is used.

Millions of hours have been spent discussing the virtues of the 270 verses 30-06. Elmer and Jack killed untold numbers of trees in this pursuit.

If you are going to hunt most Mule and or whitetail deer a 270 will make you very happy. If you find your self hunting Elk the 270 will get that job done as well.

12gaugeTim
October 5, 2012, 01:02 AM
I have a 700 in .270 as a deer rifle and its great. Great rifle, great caliber... For deer. If you don't honestly believe you'll be using it for hunting very often then .270 will prove to be a very expensive plinker. As far as I know Remington more or less owns the market with their Core-Lokt stuff, which is about a dollar every time you pull the trigger. While its a great gun, it doesn't get shot very often for that reason.
ETA: as far as power goes (as you mentioned in the original post) .270 will kill any animal in North America. It may be sub-.30 cal but it's a belted magnum that packs a punch.

Jhamblen86
October 5, 2012, 04:57 AM
I know this may sound stupid but, what makes the 270 a belted magnum?

pbrktrt
October 5, 2012, 08:54 AM
It's not. It does have near magnum performance.

d2wing
October 5, 2012, 12:22 PM
Either Savage or Remington 700 is a good choice as are 270, 308, and 30-06. I prefer the 700 in 30-06 and have one in 7mm as well. But I would not fault any of the other choices.

jimherb
October 5, 2012, 12:30 PM
I've been hearing good things about the new Ruger American--just to muddy the waters a bit. Maybe I am an old fuddy-duddy, but I think the 30-06 is the best all around cartridge.

savanahsdad
October 6, 2012, 04:18 AM
It's not. It does have near magnum performance.
right , it is not a belted mag , however it is close to what most would call mag power, 2900fps only just under what a true mag will do, so it is close , but still not a mag ,

Cee Zee
October 6, 2012, 05:03 AM
A few years ago I nearly bought a 700 Sendero in 7mm. Then I heard about the things people were doing with stock Savage rifles in F Class and F/TR competitions. They were actually beating the custom built rifles with off the rack Savages. That was very impressive to me. So I bought a Savage 12 LRPV in a lighter caliber mainly because I could shoot it more since I have a neck injury and heavier calibers make my neck hurt after 20 rounds or so. I have just about quit shooting my 30.06 because of that but I still have a ready supply of ammo for it. It's also a Savage, a 110 without an AccuTrigger so it's your basic Savage rifle. It shoots pretty well but the 12 shoots like a dream. It's hard to miss with that rifle. It should be considering it's a varmint gun and weighs a lot. Still there are other Savage rifles made for hunting that people get excellent results with according to reports. I actually have several Savage rifles and every one of them shoots very well with most shooting extremely well. The 110 I have is not doubt the worst shooter of the bunch. It was made before Savage really took off and started making much more accurate rifles. The weird thing is I have a 1952 Stevens 15-B that is as accurate as any other rimfire I own. But there's no way to mount a scope on it so I don't shoot targets with it. But it's killed more game than the rest of my rifles combined.

Swampman
October 6, 2012, 06:50 AM
DISCLAIMER: The last new bolt action high power rifle that I purchased was a Remington 700 AAC SD.

Honestly, the newer Remingtons are not near as bad as folks say, the XMark Pro isn't a great trigger, but mine adjusted down to about three pounds and is fairly crisp. The stock is pretty bad, it was a cheap Choate that flexed way too much in the forend, it fixed up OK with some aluminum bar stock and half a pound of Devcon 10110.

Understand that I purchased the rifle for shooting suppressed and this thing was already threaded for a can so I saved a few bucks that way versus having one threaded.

Even though I'm quite happy with my M700, I'd probably recommend the Savage, assuming that you can handle how they look.

Reasons:
1- The XMark Pro is an OK trigger, the Accutrigger is excellent for an out of the box trigger.

2- Remington has their "Three Rings of Steel" hype. The Savage has an extra set of what looks like non-rotating bolt lugs that stay in the raceway to block gas and keep your eyeballs intact if you ever have a case head failure.

3- Savage tends to put better stocks on their rifles although this can vary according to model chosen, research this BEFORE you choose a particular weapon.

4- I think Savage is probably, on average, slightly more accurate, "out of the box" than Remington, this is assuming you don't get the cheapo Savage Axis (or whatever it's called).

The easy barrel swapping thing is nice, but unless you're gonna shoot a whole lot or think you might want to switch calibers later, it's not a factor to base your decision on.

Caliber choice comes down to you.

If you think more of your hunting will be long range at light bodied medium game, I'd tend more towards the .270.

Heavier game would have me looking at the '06.

If you want a lighter rifle, the .308 in a short action is a good choice.

Any of the aforementioned calibers would be fine for the uses you mentioned.

If you think you might ever get into reloading or casting your own bullets, that would tend to favor the .30 calibers.

Don't forget your optics, a really good scope will make far more difference in your hunting success than the difference between the two rifles. For casual range use, scope quality is somewhat less important.

If you decide on a Savage, GET THE ACCUTRIGGER, the regular Savage trigger is pretty bad and is made of sintered metal, if you try to improve it by stoning or polishing, it's trash.

Good Luck!

12gaugeTim
October 6, 2012, 01:13 PM
Crap, I could've sworn it was belted. My bad.
That just goes to show how little I shoot the rifle thanks to the ammo cost.

Cee Zee
October 7, 2012, 12:25 AM
From what I hear the Axis rifles are pretty accurate. They just can't be upgraded like the 110 based rifles can (which includes the 10 series and all the 111's, 112's 114's, 10's, 11's etc.).

I don't think all Remingtons are bad now but they have had quality control issues. And whatever you do don't get a 710 or a 770. They're not real good rifles. The Axis is definitely better than they are.

My thing is I don't think Savages are just "slightly" more accurate. In my experience they are a lot more accurate out of the box. We swap rifles around at the gun range quite a bit and I've shot a lot of 700's. None of them would keep up with my 12. I'm sure a good gunsmith can make them shoot as well as any rifle on earth but it takes money to do that. Savage just starts out a few steps ahead IMO and they can be built also. In fact it's considerably easier to build up a Savage.

The looks of a rifle has never been a factor for me. Still Savage has gone out of their way to make their rifles look better in recent years. I don't think my 12 looks bad at all. This is not my rifle but it looks just like it.

http://www.georgiagunstore.com/part_images/SV18148_1.jpg

Jhamblen86
October 7, 2012, 01:30 AM
Very cool, I think I will put my money on an accu trigger savage. I had heard they are the best outta the box but wanted to see what people were saying. Thanks everyone for your input. It's been greatly appreciated.

Halal Pork
October 7, 2012, 02:22 AM
I own neither a Remington 700 nor a Savage, but I'm intrigued by Savage because they still use button rifled barrels. Savage seems to be considered the most accurate out of the box rifle anywhere near this price range and I imagine their staying away from forged barrels might be the main reason. I've never considered a Remington 700 because everyone and his brother has one and I always liked to get rifles that are a bit different.

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