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marine 97-03
October 4, 2012, 11:05 AM
Witch one of of these pistols would prefer

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marine 97-03
October 4, 2012, 11:48 AM
I'm looking for a new pistol and its down to these 3

CoRoMo
October 4, 2012, 11:54 AM
Sig all that way.

2wheels
October 4, 2012, 11:59 AM
The Stoeger is good, I owned one, but the Sig is awesome. Don't be fooled by its relatively low cost.

As for the S&W... Meh...

I'd go for the Sig.

Teachu2
October 4, 2012, 12:34 PM
The Sig is a league above the other two choices.

bannockburn
October 4, 2012, 12:39 PM
Definitely the SIG over the other two guns listed.

Arkansas Paul
October 4, 2012, 01:05 PM
Love my 2022. Mine is .40 but that's irrelevant. Great gun for the money. I don't think you can do better without spending twice the cash. Of course I realize that's just my opinion.

jim243
October 4, 2012, 01:13 PM
Stoeger, non-striker with a manual safety. If it had to be a plastic pistol then the S&W M&P 9 not the SD9.

Jim

Pilot
October 4, 2012, 01:18 PM
I can't believe I am saying this, but consider a used Glock G19. There are many available in excellent condition. Mags, parts, and accessories are cheap.

Pukindog12
October 4, 2012, 01:20 PM
Stoeger. All metal plus you get two mags.

marine 97-03
October 4, 2012, 02:24 PM
Glocks have never done it for me....maybe the Styer m9a1 ...most come in the country through trustville alabama...not gar from me.

watson
October 4, 2012, 03:19 PM
Personally my choice for what you are looking for if your not into glocks is an M&P or M&Pc. You listed the SDD9 as one of your options which is basically just a slightley cheaper (in price) and much less (features and quality) M&P. I would see if you could find a good deal on an M&P full size or compact for carry. They are great guns and seem to fit the bill your looking for. YMMV just my .02 not trying to tell you how to think.

Of the choices though I think the SIG is the best bang for the buck, I know the french police recently switched to using them.

TarDevil
October 4, 2012, 03:44 PM
I voted the Sig from the choices posted... but there's a lot more to look at.

Girodin
October 4, 2012, 04:49 PM
I'm looking for a new pistol and its down to these 3

Of those I likely would get the sig, if you are okay with a DA/SA trigger.

However, I feel that is worth mentioning a gun that you likely have not even considered. I would give a serious look at a Caracal. They are available form cernterfiresystems.com for $399 with free shipping last I checked. That puts them in the same price range as the sig.

The caracal is a well made gun that is getting rave reviews. It is a very well thought out gun that is the latest in Bubbits evolution from glocks. Two big things for me that I prefer over any of the sigs I've used?

1. Bore axis. One thing I have never liked about sigs is their very high bore axis. On the other hand a Caracal has a particularly low bore axis. Since each gun is on the extreme ends of the spectrum the difference between the two is a huge. A low bore axis allows for more control of the gun leading to less muzzle rise and faster followups as well as less perceived recoil. The Steyr M9 (a gun designed by the same man as the caracal) is similar and what I let new shooters shoot for that reason, very soft easy shooting gun.

2. Consistent trigger. A DA/SA trigger like the sig has take much more work to master. I really like the sig SA trigger. The DA trigger, not so much. Of course one can learn to be proficient with it but it takes added effort as one must learn two trigger pulls and the trigger pull changes. I'm not saying a DA/SA gun is per se bad. I own DA/SA guns. However, I prefer a consistent trigger pull and think that for most folks it makes becoming proficient with their gun easier.

The caracal is much better than the cheap S&Ws. It is on par with the M&P line. The polymer sig is a sleeper in the sig line up IMHO. However, for my money (and uses) I'd rather have the Caracal if I was buying a gun in that price range and size range.

sigarms228
October 4, 2012, 05:03 PM
I have more than a few classic P series SIG pistols and a SP2022. The SP2022 is true SIG quality at an unbelieveably low price. I highly recommend it.

ny32182
October 4, 2012, 05:15 PM
Another one to consider if Glocks don't do it for you is the M&P; there is a lot to like about it and it fits in the same general price range as the others, and definitely better than the Sigma.

I had a 2022... this seems obvious I guess, but it was truly a plastic frame Sig. If you like the Sig P series you should like the 2022 as they handle virtually identically. Personally I thought it was WAY too heavy for what it was, and had all the other stuff about the P series I'm not fond of today, such as the high bore axis, DA/SA trigger, etc.

el Godfather
October 4, 2012, 05:49 PM
Sigma out of the question.
Stoeger is decent but not in the top tier.
Sig Sauer although entry level model, still is the best buy and if you like polymer- even better

Coop45
October 4, 2012, 05:57 PM
I know a Glock looks like it was made out old license plates but I'm keeping mine.

MedWheeler
October 4, 2012, 06:15 PM
Wow, made it to eight responses before someone suggested a Glock when it wasn't on the OP's list..
As for me, I do kind of prefer hammer-fired guns simply because that's what I have the most experience with. Not sure if the Stoeger is the same as one I recently read a review on, but that one did indeed look good.

wbwanzer
October 4, 2012, 08:13 PM
I've got a Cougar and it's a very good pistol in my opinion.

jackblack86
October 4, 2012, 10:51 PM
I love s&w but The sig 2022 is one of the best deals out there today have the older version pro2340 just a pleasure to shoot.

marine 97-03
October 4, 2012, 11:11 PM
I like the F model .....but how is there CS and almost no aftermarket sights or holsters and extra mags are expensive but it seems solid







Of those I likely would get the sig, if you are okay with a DA/SA trigger.

However, I feel that is worth mentioning a gun that you likely have not even considered. I would give a serious look at a Caracal. They are available form cernterfiresystems.com for $399 with free shipping last I checked. That puts them in the same price range as the sig.

The caracal is a well made gun that is getting rave reviews. It is a very well thought out gun that is the latest in Bubbits evolution from glocks. Two big things for me that I prefer over any of the sigs I've used?

1. Bore axis. One thing I have never liked about sigs is their very high bore axis. On the other hand a Caracal has a particularly low bore axis. Since each gun is on the extreme ends of the spectrum the difference between the two is a huge. A low bore axis allows for more control of the gun leading to less muzzle rise and faster followups as well as less perceived recoil. The Steyr M9 (a gun designed by the same man as the caracal) is similar and what I let new shooters shoot for that reason, very soft easy shooting gun.

2. Consistent trigger. A DA/SA trigger like the sig has take much more work to master. I really like the sig SA trigger. The DA trigger, not so much. Of course one can learn to be proficient with it but it takes added effort as one must learn two trigger pulls and the trigger pull changes. I'm not saying a DA/SA gun is per se bad. I own DA/SA guns. However, I prefer a consistent trigger pull and think that for most folks it makes becoming proficient with their gun easier.

The caracal is much better than the cheap S&Ws. It is on par with the M&P line. The polymer sig is a sleeper in the sig line up IMHO. However, for my money (and uses) I'd rather have the Caracal if I was buying a gun in that price range and size range.

FMF Doc
October 4, 2012, 11:17 PM
Sig all the way. Even a cheaper econo-line sig is head and shoulders above either of the other listed. The SD9VE is an updated Sigma, and not really much better. The Stoeger, at least the one I shot, seemed loose, poorlly fit, and had a lot of feeding issues.

TennJed
October 4, 2012, 11:24 PM
Sig out of that list. I would also consider a Ruger SR9 or 40 for a lower priced gun

oldironsights
October 4, 2012, 11:40 PM
I would choose the sig 2022 first, and the steyr m9 second.
the steyr has features similar to the glock and the caracal.
I own a steyr m9 and a Sig p220. both are fine pistols.
I may add a sig 2022 when I tire of my fn high powers.

marine 97-03
October 5, 2012, 12:01 AM
The SR9 seems to not get much live why is that?

1SOW
October 5, 2012, 12:10 AM
A shoot a Sig P series, but went with a neighbor to test his NIB 2022.
I was surprised at how well it shot OOB. Felt natural, shot fast and accurately first time. VERY nice shooter for a good price .

The ONLY thing I didn't like was the tear-down procedures. Yeah, I know you can get used to anything (Like the Ruger 22s), but nothing was intuitive about the teardown and reassembly.

Girodin
October 5, 2012, 05:51 AM
I like the F model .....but how is there CS and almost no aftermarket sights or holsters and extra mags are expensive but it seems solid

It is a new gun so the after market for it is naturally limited. I'm not aware of any sights right now (but I haven't looked hard either). There are few holster options. As to the mags I guess it depends on what you compare them too. Personally I wouldn't catagorize the magazines as particularly expensive. Rather I find they are fairly in price to many other guns. Impact guns has them listed at $29. They list Sp2022 mags at $44 for factory mags. A few other places had them just over $30. http://www.impactguns.com/search.aspx?keyword=sig%20sp2022%20magazine

J&G has caracal mags for $29 http://www.jgsales.com/caracal-c-series-mag,-9mm-luger,-15rd-p-47237.html

Topgun and other places have the SP2022 mags for about $30 http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-sauer-sigpro-magazines/

Cheaper than dirt has Mec Gear mags for the sig for about $30 as well http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/prod/SIG_2022_Magazine

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