mini .45 caliber choices....


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JERRY
October 4, 2012, 06:06 PM
the Glock 36 is i guess a mini-.45acp if you compare it to a Glock 21 or even a Glock 30, but what id like to hear from is folks who've chosen to go truly compact.

Colt agent?
Kahr PM45?
Amt Back-up?
Glock 39?
Springfield XDS?

what gun have you chosen to serve in this role?

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Giterboosted
October 4, 2012, 08:58 PM
Had a pm45 myself, loved it

Mainsail
October 4, 2012, 09:21 PM
I just picked up the XDs and took some comparison pictures with my G29SF (same size as the G30):

http://www.topohiker.com/FS/GunComp2.png

http://www.topohiker.com/FS/GunComp3.png

In hand:

http://www.topohiker.com/FS/XDS3.png

firesky101
October 4, 2012, 09:33 PM
I shot an AMT in .380, it was not pleasant. I don't think I would want to try the .45

beeenbag
October 4, 2012, 09:36 PM
I really admire my m&p 45c. It is smaller than the g30 and is still easy to control. In my opinion it conceals better than my g19 iwb.

intercooler
October 4, 2012, 09:38 PM
Did you sell your 10's?

Big Boy
October 4, 2012, 09:40 PM
Just FYI the Glock 39 is .45 GAP. Glock Automatic Pistol. Not ACP. Just wanted to make sure you are aware of the difference.

I really love my glock 36. Here is my review on mine if you'd like some more info.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=638156





http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/CB-AARON/2011-12-25_18-55-37_338-1.jpg

Dlowe167
October 4, 2012, 09:54 PM
I do like the XDS. But I carry a Taurus PT745 millenium pro. Great piece,in .45

JERRY
October 4, 2012, 09:59 PM
im aware of the GAP round, thats why i specified 45 caliber not a.c.p. so it could be included.

jackblack86
October 4, 2012, 10:03 PM
I have had a glock 21 and 36 liked em both not enough to keep em the one 45 subcompact that I like the best is the taurus pt145 some people dont like them but mine is a 3rd gen millpro always dependable shoots nice like the trigger what can I say

jimbo555
October 4, 2012, 10:10 PM
I have a colt new agent and it is reliable,thin,light holds 8 rounds and being a single action 1911 type has the best trigger.You just have to get used to the trench sight.I had a shotgun bead installed in the end of the trench and it helps me a lot.

JERRY
October 4, 2012, 10:16 PM
new agent with 8 rounds? is this the stock magazine or some sort of extended magazine?

if its an extended magazine it osrt of defeats the purpose of a mini-auto doesnt it?

orionengnr
October 4, 2012, 10:21 PM
I pocket carried a PM9 for 3 1/2 years, then moved up to a P45 IWB. Ran across a good deal on a PM45 ($450 ANIB), so I grabbed it. But it wasn't "all that" much smaller than the P45.

The PM45 was just a bit large for pocket carry, so it was back to IWB. But if I'm going to carry IWB, I'll take the longer sight radius and one additional round that the P45 offers.

I sold the PM45 to a friend for the same good price I paid---he is happy with it. Bottom line, if I had never owned a PM9 or a P45, I suspect I would have been very happy with the PM45.

new agent with 8 rounds?
I think he meant 8 total, as in, 7+1.
That is what my Kimber Ultra Carry II holds.

jimbo555
October 4, 2012, 10:44 PM
colt new agent standard capacity is 7+1.

Dr_2_B
October 5, 2012, 07:02 AM
No one's spoken to the AMT Backup 45. I had one in the early 90's after my college graduation. I consider it to be slightly ahead of its time in terms of compactness and double action only trigger. I should be able to tell you how I carried it but I honestly don't recall... it was pretty early in my journey. What I do recall though, is while I didn't shoot it very much, it scarred up my class-ring pretty good in the few times I did shoot it. It was pretty snappy. Also, it just didn't hold up too well.

iblong
October 5, 2012, 08:37 AM
I have the Kimber UCII and it runs flawless,is slim ,fairly light, verry accurate
and is verry comfortable to carry in my MS SSII.

kim breed
October 5, 2012, 09:33 AM
My Warthawg from Para rules my shorties. 10 plus 1 and very accurate.

MADDOG
October 5, 2012, 09:40 AM
How about the S&W CS45. It's a compact.

speedway
October 5, 2012, 10:18 AM
I shot an xd-s the other day. Nice little pistol, and I am an HK guy.

DeepSouth
October 5, 2012, 11:16 AM
I pocket carry a PM45 and love it.
I debated hard between the PM45 and the New Agent but settled on the PM45 mainly because it was slightly lighter and smaller, and I did intend on pocket carry.

I have yet to hold a XDs and frankly I am a bit of a Springer fan so I will probably end up with one someday. May even replace the PM45, but I doubt it.

BTW
With "normal" jeans the PM45 is a pocket full. I wore Carhartts for a while and they work okay, now I wear Duluth work pants and they work great. They have deep enough pockets to carry a P220, trust me.:uhoh:

Quiet
October 5, 2012, 11:19 AM
I'm happy with my Glock 39.
It replaced my Glock 30 as my daily carry gun.

9mmepiphany
October 5, 2012, 05:27 PM
I've shot them all except for the XD/s...but I have handled it.

Weighing handling, reliability, and shootability, I'd pick the Kahr PM first, while reserving to option of changing to the XD/s if it proves as nice as the XD and XDm.

rangerphil
October 5, 2012, 05:37 PM
Have owned an XDs for a month or so and absolutely love it.

raze
October 5, 2012, 11:32 PM
I have the xds for pocket carry/ b.u.g. I like it a lot it is nicer to shoot than the cm9 it took the place of and nicer to shoot than the rohrbaugh. I really recommend it.

But if your bigger guns are glocks i would go with another glock. same trigger and controls. same way to field strip and so on

9mmepiphany
October 5, 2012, 11:48 PM
huh? the 380 amt is a pussycat, compared to the keltec, cause it weighs at least twice as much as the P3AT
We're discussing .45 caliber pistols

firesky101
October 6, 2012, 05:07 AM
We're discussing .45 caliber pistols
I believe he was referring to my post. Funny enough I have also shot the P3AT. Not nearly as painful as the AMT. Hence why I would not want to have the .45acp version.

Jaymo
October 6, 2012, 11:29 AM
Star Firestar .45. On my second one. sold the first one to buy an Egyptian Maadi AK, in a moment of weakness. Regretted it, almost immediately.
Ended up selling the Maadi, too.
Bought another one to replace it, about 10 years later. Both have been 100% reliable. (Gasp, not possible. We all know Glocks are the be-all, end-all of guns and the only reliable guns)
Both have been very accurate.
Nobody would ever confuse it for a Glock or XD. It's quite heavy for it's size. Not that I dislike the XD. I like it a lot.
The trade off is that it's very comfortable to shoot. Plus, you could use it as an impact weapon when you run dry. >:)

jeepnik
October 6, 2012, 12:01 PM
I'm still using an AMT .45 DAO Backup regularly. They are still the smallest .45 semiauto you will find. But they are heavy as they are all steel, except the grip panels.

Someone mentioned their's didn't hold up. I kinda wonder what was done to make it "break".

There were lots of negatives folks spread about them. The trigger was rough and stiff, they weren't reliable, and so on. The trigger, like many other firearms from the factory wasn't the best. But it took a smith about 30 minutes to take care of that issue.

The reliability issue was mostly because, like all machines, they needed to be broken in. And, firing them isn't fun, so folks never put in the rounds to do so. Heck I've seen them on used gun shelves that likely had only one or two magazines full thru them.

On the plus side regarding weight. If all else fails, they make a pretty good club.

Domino300
October 6, 2012, 02:44 PM
Colt Defender, same size as New Agent with sights.

JERRY
October 6, 2012, 06:44 PM
can any of you pocket carry the colt defender or new agent? it seems that having a short bbl for some means its a mini gun, even though it still has a large grip.

Jaymo
October 6, 2012, 08:03 PM
The mini XD .45 is pretty sweet.

ApacheCoTodd
October 6, 2012, 08:25 PM
I've carried my .45 Back Up since I bought it off a retiring Fed in 97. He had the thing well and properly sorted with polishing prior to his carrying it as his duty back-up. I reckon between his years and mine, we've probably put more rounds through one successfully than most of them get.

The accuracy always amazes me given the size and the reliability is great though I've found it relatively intolerant of backpack debris if I carry it in a messy pack.

I move three magazines of Federal Hydra Shoks (165?) through it a couple-three times a year just to keep up.

I've found the trigger shock to be completely OK if I don't let my trigger finger roll downward at the knuckle on firing.

I also started firing it with my middle finger a couple years ago which is why I polished the right side of the slide. That worked well for engaging the trigger more directly to its arc of travel.

One thing to certainly note is that finding factory holsters is a bear.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
October 6, 2012, 08:54 PM
Don't laugh, but I have a buddy that carries a Llama MiniMax .45. I never have been big on carrying a"mini" pistol. I always lean toward the full size. My buddy swears by his MiniMax though. He has had a gunsmith go through everything about the gun. He wanted to be able to trust it with his life. He says it is very reliable. I understand that their reliability is about that of an Officers 1911, but I have an Officers that has never skipped a beat. What do you guys know about the MiniMax. I do like how it holds 9+1, even though I am not big on a doublestack .45. I would have to put a lot of rounds through it before I would trust it. He has no doubt about it.

jhco
October 6, 2012, 09:31 PM
I had considered the glock 36 but it really wasn't all that "mini" so I went with a Kimber RCPII Ultra.

jimbo555
October 6, 2012, 10:34 PM
Jerry,the colt new agent/defender is built on the officers size frame wich is about an inch shorter in height than a full size 1911.

Mac Attack
October 6, 2012, 10:53 PM
I alternate between 2 .45 ACP compacts, a G30 (10+1) and a Detonics CombatMaster (6+1). My G30 was my primary carry for several years and has been utterly reliable. I picked up my CombatMaster a month ago and have been really happy with it and it is an extremely comfortable gun to carry.

MachIVshooter
October 6, 2012, 11:36 PM
Not as small as a PM45 or AMT Back-up 45, but the CS45 is a fine compact that should never have been discontinued.

Shown with my PF-9 for comparison:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/PF9CS45.jpg

jeepnik
October 7, 2012, 03:23 PM
I've carried my .45 Back Up since I bought it off a retiring Fed in 97. He had the thing well and properly sorted with polishing prior to his carrying it as his duty back-up. I reckon between his years and mine, we've probably put more rounds through one successfully than most of them get.

The accuracy always amazes me given the size and the reliability is great though I've found it relatively intolerant of backpack debris if I carry it in a messy pack.

I move three magazines of Federal Hydra Shoks (165?) through it a couple-three times a year just to keep up.

I've found the trigger shock to be completely OK if I don't let my trigger finger roll downward at the knuckle on firing.

I also started firing it with my middle finger a couple years ago which is why I polished the right side of the slide. That worked well for engaging the trigger more directly to its arc of travel.

One thing to certainly note is that finding factory holsters is a bear.
You're right holsters are almost non-existant. However, they fit nicely in a small sized Yaqui slide. And beyond that, I've had custom leather guys make a couple. I tried a fabric ankle holster once. Too darned heavy for that unless you have the legs of a body builder (slow as well).

I'm a southpaw, and one of the reasons I really like them is that it's DAO, and the cases eject pretty straight up.

TennJed
October 7, 2012, 11:00 PM
Anyone have any experience with the Taurus PT145. 10 rounds in a small package

Taurus PT145

10+1
Weight: 22.2 oz
Barrel Length: 3.25"
Height: 5.125"
Width: 1.25"
Length: 6.125"

bds
October 8, 2012, 01:45 AM
Anyone have any experience with the Taurus PT145
I have one in stainless and really like the SA/DA trigger. The PT145 has grip angle similar to Sig 226/220 and point naturally for me. I can point to anything in the room/house and the sights are always right on the target. As a close range carry/defensive pistol, I consider this to be quite valuable. it's really good for short range point shooting drills, even in low light where I can't see the sights.

Here's a comparison to G27 with Pearce +1 grip extension (The slide is actually shorter than G27 and grip is comparable to G19/G23) - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8176139#post8176139

Glock 27:
WIDTH - 1.18"
LENGTH - 6.29"
HEIGHT - 4.8" (with +1 Pearce mag extension - 4.17" with 9rd factory flush magazine)

Taurus PT145:
WIDTH - 1.25"
LENGTH - 6.125"
HEIGHT - 5.125"

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=126845&stc=1&d=1283178089

mljdeckard
October 8, 2012, 02:28 AM
I have always liked the idea of the Para Hawg guns, but I have never heard someone who owned one that thought they were as good as they were supposed to be. They seem to be the example of; the more you mess with a 1911, the more likely you will have problems with it.

meanmrmustard
October 8, 2012, 07:49 AM
(Gasp, not possible. We all know Glocks are the be-all, end-all of guns and the only reliable guns)
Yup.

mavracer
October 8, 2012, 10:32 AM
I bought a Kahr CW45 and cut the grip frame down to PM45 length. Now it fits in most of my pockets. I have a PM9 for the ones it won't.

dgod
October 8, 2012, 10:32 AM
I have a Colt Agent, Added Crimson Trace, I have had it about 2 years now, carry in Concealed daily, just not in the shower.

I love it. It is accurate, I carry it locked and cocked, and use GuardDog ammo. I think a very good combination for Self Defense.

When OK goes to Full Open Carry, I am considering a Full Size 1911 change out simply to get past the 6 & 1 limits and the 3.5" Barrel. Beyond that, Great FireArm.

Dan

rodinal220
October 8, 2012, 12:23 PM
Colt Officers,Defender or New Agent. Star PD is an oldy but goody.

2wheels
October 8, 2012, 07:22 PM
Count me in as another proud Colt New Agent owner.

Can't pocket carry it though, I have other guns for my pocket.

I've thought about adding CT laser grips, but I love those wood grips so much...

wheelyfun66
October 8, 2012, 08:00 PM
While not a "mini" gun, my Sig P220 Compact is a viable choice if one is considering belt carry....(never will it be a pocket gun)
7 rounds of 45 ACP in a single stack design. Proven track record.
Mine has been flawless through it's first 600 rounds!
http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/spec4towle/IMG_0808.jpg
http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/spec4towle/IMG_0801.jpg
http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t497/spec4towle/IMG_0811.jpg

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