[marine 97-03]

Anyone own the mp5 clones that are out there....center fire systems has one for 1199$ are they good or like the century made h&k clones crap.

[boricua9mm]

Not roller lock = Direct Blowback = Not an MP5 clone. Just looks like one.

I have a Bobcat BW5 that has been SBR'd. It's very accurate, very reliable, has rimfire-like recoil, accepts real HK parts, and it has an in-spec 3 lug barrel for my suppressor.

There's a couple potential problem areas. Here's a video on what to look for. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fkSoZcw0UQ)

For roller-locked MP5 clones, you can spend anywhere from $1200 to $2600; the more expensive builds usually look nicer, but the production grade clones (if problematic) can usually be made to work with a few simple parts swaps.

Simple form...
http://ricanhavocproductions.com/images/bw5a3_3.jpg

Kitted up...
http://www.ricanhavocproductions.com/images/mp5-octane-surefire.jpg

[marine 97-03]

Did you see the one on center fire systems for 1199$ ...its on sale down from 1399$ I thint it may be w vector....not sure

[boricua9mm]

For what it's worth, I did look at it before responding; those rifles are a straight blowback carbine, which was a concept originally stitched together by Vulcan/Hesse/Blackheart Int'l, which is Swahili for "RUN AWAY!" :D

The guns from Centerfire Systems that you mentioned are made by Velocity Firearms, which has a high probability of being another Vulcan/Hesse/Blackheart Int'l spinoff company, or at best, a company that has bought the rights to make the direct blowback carbine that Vulcan/Hesse/Blackheart was selling.

If you want a clone of an MP5, those carbines aren't it. They merely use the same type receiver. They are functionally and mechanically different from roller delayed blowback carbines like the HK MP5 and its clones. Basically, they look like an MP5, but the similarity ends once you break it down.

If you are wanting to get into an MP5 clone, you'd be better served by hunting for a properly built Special Weapons SW5, a Coharie C94, or (better in my opinion) a Bobcat BW5. Similar to a Romanian AK, the key is in knowing what to look for. Like I said before, you may need to spend $60-$400 to get them where they need to be, but if you can get into one at $1200-$1300, you're looking at $2k in a worst case scenario.

If those price points scare you, then don't travel any further down this road! Buying real German mags is one of the first steps of de-bugging and they are $65+ per mag. Then again, MP5 and cheap are mutually exclusive terms!:)

[nwilliams]

I've owned a few HK94 clones and I was disappointed with the first two I bought but I absolutely love the one I have now. My first HK94 clone was a Special Weapons SW5 and I couldn't get through one whole mag without it jamming. This was about 10 years ago and I owned it for about three months before selling it for about 1/3 of what I paid for it.

My second HK94 clone was what I refer to as my worst gun buying mistake of all time. I've owned well over 100 guns throughout my life and I have yet to own one worse than this. It was a Vulcan V94 and I owned it about four months and for two of those months it was back at Vulcan being repaired. When I finally got it back the as*#@les at Vulcan accused me of being too hard on the gun and wanted to charged me for the repairs even though I had only taken the gun to the range two times and put less than 150 rounds through it before having to send it back because it didn't work and the fake suppressor came loose. Anyway I got it back and still didn't work so I sold it and probably lost about $1,200 out of the $1,500 I spent on the cursed thing.

About two years ago I took a chance on one of the MKE Turkish HK94 clones ATI was importing and I couldn't be more happy with it! I have about 3,000 rounds through it and not one single malfunction to this day! It eats any brand of ammo I feed it without issue and it's lots of fun to shoot. Eventually I plan to SBR it but I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Sadly ATI stopped importing the AT94's so they are starting to climb in value. I purchased an AT95P which was imported as a pistol with the 16" barrel and I then converted it to a rifle by adding the right number of 922r compliant parts. The MKE version of the HK94 is pretty much as close as you can get to owning a genuine HK94 but for a lot less money. The Turkish arms company MKE built these guns under HK contract using HK tooling and specs.

This is how it came NIB...
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/MKE-2.jpg

Here it is after converting it to a rifle using 922r compliant parts...
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/MKE-2-1.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/MKE-1-1.jpg

[SWAT1911]

Good info.

[kimberkid]

I've had several Special Weapons guns and only had problems with one and and it was a SW-32 (7.62x39 and used AK mags) ... looked good but after about 5 rounds would jam; also kicked like a Turkish Masuer with hot ammo ... as much as I liked the concept it went down the road

Of the 2 SW-5's I had, I had zero problems when I was using HK mags ... I currently have a Coharie Arms CA-89 which is an MP5 clone ... after about 500 rounds I SBR'd it and it also works great with my registered sear pack (full auto).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/kimberkid/Toys/mp-clone.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/kimberkid/Toys/P1010130.jpg