CZ 527 Vs Rem 700 SPS in .17Rem


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Clayton86
October 7, 2012, 06:05 AM
Been in the market for a .17Rem and so far I'v only found the 527 and a 700 chambered in the caliber. Which would you go with and why so far I'v been leaning towards the Cz527 I'v heard nothing but great things about them. The 700 is appealing because of the vast amount of aftermarket parts and mods available. There both pretty close in price at Buds. So which rifle or if there's another bolt 17 rem out there for under lets say $700 I know I could go with a Encore but I don't like them I prefer a bolt gun.

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paulo
October 7, 2012, 09:04 AM
CZ. Because they are sexy looking and very accurate out of the box.

snakeman
October 7, 2012, 09:07 AM
Both are good. Just get whatever feels best to you.

TaxPhd
October 7, 2012, 11:42 AM
I have a 527 American in .221 Fireball. CZ makes a fine rifle. Fit and finish is great, and mine has a very nice piece of wood. The set trigger is nice, too.

Furncliff
October 7, 2012, 11:51 AM
Given the choice... the CZ by a long shot. I bought my first CZ because it felt right in my hand (CZ75b) I knew absolutely nothing about the brand. Since then I've acquired 5 more CZ firearms. All of them have been well made and had great bang for the buck. I once had occasion to use the gunsmiths at CZUSA, the service was excellent.

CB900F
October 7, 2012, 12:43 PM
Clayton 86;

Another vote for the CZ.

900F

MachIVshooter
October 7, 2012, 01:40 PM
Before the Cerberus takeover, that would have been an easy choice. Now? Not so much. I'm still a Remington guy, but I'd have to inspect each rifle carefully. With the stories of horrible QC on Remlins lately, I don't think I'd buy a 2009 & later model sight unseen.

stubbicatt
October 7, 2012, 02:56 PM
I've enjoyed all of the CZ firearms I have owned. The 527 is a neat little rifle, the only drawback as I see it is that the tiny little action can be difficult to operate with a scope on it sometimes.

hardluk1
October 7, 2012, 03:02 PM
Only CZ when compared to remigton of today.

cpt-t
October 7, 2012, 08:43 PM
clayton86: I have never owned a 700 REM in 17 REM, so I really can`t comment on them. But I own a CZ 17 REM VARMINT, it is one of my favorite rifles and I shoot it quite a bit. I reload for it and have had very good luck with the Hornadays 25gr HP, and there 20gr & 25gr V-MAX bulets. I use H4895 powder and my CZ 17 REM will group less than a 1/2 an inch, at a 100 yds. The single set trigger is just great & I have not experienced any problems putting a scope on my rifle. I have had no problems with this rifle, and i like it more every time I shoot it. I use the rifle for PD`S, Ground Hogs, Jackrabbits, and I have taken several Coyotes with it. CZ`S are just wonderful rifles and my Son and I have several of them. GOOD LUCK TO YOU: ken

Clayton86
October 8, 2012, 06:16 AM
Before the Cerberus takeover, that would have been an easy choice. Now? Not so much. I'm still a Remington guy, but I'd have to inspect each rifle carefully. With the stories of horrible QC on Remlins lately, I don't think I'd buy a 2009 & later model sight unseen.
Thats the one big turn off I'v been having with the new 700's or any Remington/Marlin. I'v always wanted a 700 since i knew what a gun was iv wanted one but now I keep hearing there junk. I lucked out and have a Pre merger XS7 in .243 and love it but I heard even the new X7(they droped the S and L code) that's Remlin are mostly junk as well which is disappointing I wanted to pick up the X7VH in .223 but not anymore.

Cpt t have you put Bergers threw it I'm thinking I'm gonna run the 30gr bergers its gonna be a fox, coyote and groundhog gun fox and coyote mostly though.

samoconnor123
October 8, 2012, 07:11 AM
Any particular reason you want the .17Rem or do you just want it?

The .204 Ruger seems to be a better all round bullet apart from it might be a bit louder and heat the barrel a tad quicker.
But you will have a lot more gun choices.

But if you just really want the .17, CZ sure makes a beautiful rifle.

Clayton86
October 8, 2012, 07:48 AM
204 isn't very fur friendly

cpt-t
October 8, 2012, 10:58 AM
Clayton86; No I have not tried any Berger Bullets but I hear they are very good bullets. The only bullets I have tried are REM factory loads, and they will shoot less than an inch at a 100. I have only reloaded with Hornady`s 3 bullets, 25gr hp, and their 20 gr & 25gr V-MAX. All 3 shoot very well but the 20gr &25gr V-MAX`S shoot out of my rifle unbelivabley vell. Less than a 1/2 inch at a 100 yds, more like a 1/4 inch. The 17 REM is very fur friendly very seldom an exit hole, on a coyote or fox, and I have yet to lose one. I shoot pd`s , jackrabbits,crows and other small varmints how ever with a very explosive efect. I have shoot coyotes out past 250yrs,and try to head shoot them, or for body shots center of the chest or behind the front leg. I use a 4200 ELETE 8-32 X 40 AO Scope and I like that scope a lot. If I could give you any reloading imformation, I would be glad to. Keep us posted, I would like to know what you chose and how it shoots. GOOD LUCK TO YOU: ken

Clayton86
October 8, 2012, 11:27 AM
Cpt-t how did the 25gr vmax hold up to fox and coyotes? I plugged it into my ballistic calc and its pretty close to the berger 30gr match bullets I had the vmax doing 4000fps and the bergers doing 3900 though iv read and have some reload data saying the bergers will do 4000+.

What ever I get most likely a 527 wont be till Jan/Feb ish when I get back stateside I told my wife I'm not even asking iv been gone a year I'm getting back heading to the gun shop and buying a gun and nothing will stop me lol.

MachIVshooter
October 9, 2012, 01:00 AM
Cpt-t how did the 25gr vmax hold up to fox and coyotes?

They do fine, though I mostly use 25 gr. Moly HP's. They clock 4,140 FPS from my 22" 700 LVSF, and they kill like lightning (without an exit hole).


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Clayton86
October 9, 2012, 05:02 AM
my biggest concern is on thin skinned fox and bobcat mostly fox though its 50/50 where I hunt could be a fox or coyote or both at the same time iv had that happen too. I know a lot of calibers are fine with coyotes and fur but fox are a whole nother ball game. Right now I use either the 17HMR, #4buck or .243 but the 17 rem will fill that void between the HMR and .243 nicely. Brass seems to be a big issue of getting a hold of though for any of the reloadable 17's.

MachIVshooter
October 9, 2012, 09:19 AM
Brass seems to be a big issue of getting a hold of though for any of the reloadable 17's.

Midway has some, Grafs has plenty, didn't check any others. I've never had trouble finding it. .17 Rem brass ain't cheap, but 500 pieces lasts a long time.

Clayton86
October 9, 2012, 09:49 AM
I can only find Nickle plated stuff and iv heard from many people as well as the reviews on it the stuff is junk. I spent most my day watching youtube videos of .17FB kills on various critters no fox though and hardly any 17rem videos I could find either.

MachIVshooter
October 9, 2012, 08:26 PM
I can only find Nickle plated stuff and iv heard from many people as well as the reviews on it the stuff is junk. I spent most my day watching youtube videos of .17FB kills on various critters no fox though and hardly any 17rem videos I could find either.

The nickel stuff is fine, and it doesn't tarnish or become stained with fingerprints. Most of my loads are nickel.

Or you can spend the big money on the Nosler custom brass.....

Witnessing .17 Fireball kills will show you what to expect from the .17 Rem. The .17 Rem is 300-400 FPS faster, but aside from extending useful range a little bit, the two rounds have identical capabilities.

Clayton86
October 10, 2012, 06:11 AM
I'v heard the nickle brass has splitting problems. I may try some if forming 204 or 222 brass seems to much of a challenge I guess the 204 is much easier to size down to 17 rem. What scope do you use on yours I'm thinking of going with a Simmons Predator Quest scope 4.5-18 on it.

cpt-t
October 10, 2012, 12:15 PM
Clayton86: I have had great luck with tha Hornady 25 gr V-MAX bullet and th 25 gr hp, and the 20 gr V-MAX. Have never lost a coyote using them. And very seldom any exit hole on coyotes or fox. I have never tried any nickel plated brass so can`t comment. But I have always had good case life with REM brass. I don`t belive I have ever thrown one away except for reloading screw up. I have a 4200 ELITE 8-32X40 AO on my CZ 17 REM, my SON and I really like the 4200 ELITE scopes and have several 6-24-40 & 8-32X40. And we have never had a problem with any of them.

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