[el Godfather]

Dear THR:
Which auto loader has the worst trigger in your opinion?

I think Sigma is pretty bad.

Thanks

[R.W.Dale]

Good gun but bad trigger my nomination is the Kel-tec pf9

A sigma isn't bad at all by comparison.




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[JRWhit]

I was gonna say sigma. Grainy, feels like there is sand in it.

[Shadow 7D]

I nominate the P-64
30 pound DA
2.25 SA
the SA is target trigger, the DA is along the lines of one of the grip trainers, many think that the gun is broken when first trying DA.

That said, the KT P11 has been compared unfavorably to a staple gun, most though the staple gun had the better pull.

[jonnyc]

CZ52.

[chris in va]

P11 staple gun...I like that.:D

That, or the CZ 100 was supposed to be horrible.

[Apple a Day]

Taurus PT-111. I fired a Jennings-9 once and thought it was the worst. Then I found the Taurus.

[Miked7762]

Any of the Taurus PT-22 series.

[zxcvbob]

Kel-tec P3AT. I think it's a safely feature to allow pocket carry w/o a holster.

[creeper1956]

If we can go back several decades, the H&K VP70Z has a pretty bad trigger. It's a striker fired gun, but unlike the current crop of striker guns, the striker was not partially or pre-cocked. Instead, the trigger cocked the striker fully until release and you didn't have any mechanical advantage to make it smoother or easier.

The pull weight and let-off can be improved upon with spring tuning and part polishing... but it's still, at best, only a fair DAO trigger.

C

[dondavis3]

Keltec

and S&W Sigma

IMHO

:cool:

[Mooseman]

I have a Sigma and a P11. I would have to say the Keltec easily has the harder trigger but I think it works better for what its designed for. The Sigmas trigger works fine but if someone sold a drop in trigger group at a decent price I'd probably buy it.

[mesinge2]

The worst I have ever felt was a Cobra Patriot 45 ACP

[RBid]

Having owned a PF-9 and an LC9, I have to go with the LC9 at least being the worst of the two. I hate LC9 triggers. The break comes so far back, it feels like it's in my wrist.

[skt239]

Ruger LC9

[Yarddog]

I have a Sigma and a P11. I would have to say the Keltec easily has the harder trigger but I think it works better for what its designed for. The Sigmas trigger works fine but if someone sold a drop in trigger group at a decent price I'd probably buy it.
They Do, came out not too long ago ; ) PS Drops a few pounds & still long

Y/D

[Plan2Live]

For me, it's the Sigma then Kel-Tec then G-Lock.

But the absolute worst is the trigger on my Daisy Powerline Model 15xt (1911 clone). Very stiff, probably a 14 pound pull or more which is too bad because if it was a lighter trigger it would be a great gun for training new shooters as it mimicks a real semi auto very well and with a fresh CO2 cartridge it is very powerful.

[browningguy]

Of the pistols I own I used to think the NAA, then I got a S&W Bodyguard .380.

[WRGADog]

Cz rami

[TennJed]

NAA Guardian is the worst I have ever tried

[2wheels]

Worst I've tried was probably a Bodyguard .380. I know it's not a bullseye competition gun but sheesh...

[colorado_handgunner]

Another Sigma vote. My gosh it was awful. Turned me off to S&W for a long time.

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[HDCamel]

I nominate the P-64
30 pound DA
2.25 SA
the SA is target trigger, the DA is along the lines of one of the grip trainers, many think that the gun is broken when first trying DA.

That said, the KT P11 has been compared unfavorably to a staple gun, most though the staple gun had the better pull.
Second.
The P-64 is ridiculous.

[smalls]

Meh, I got used to my Sigma prett quick. My buddy bought a "hell cat" .380 once, and it was pretty bad

[TarDevil]

Which auto loader has the worst trigger in your opinion?

Not mine! :D

[greyling22]

I always thought the walther p99 was pretty bad.

[Bush Pilot]

LC9, it takes 5 mins to pull the trigger. The trigger pull on my Bodyguard in .380 is actually pretty good.

[lobo9er]

SIGMA
worst I have shot anyways.
heaviest trigger pull on any gun I have ever shot. Not sure what S&W was thinking on that one.

[XTrooper]

My personal worst was a Colt Pony I bought new in the '80s. That trigger would make your eyes bleed it was so heavy! :D

[VBVAGUY]

I find it funny how many people complain of some of these guns that have long heavy triggers. Me thinks that some of these people have weak grip and finger strength and need one of these !!! God Bless :)


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[Batty67]

The CZ RAMI takes some time to get used to for sure. I did, and love the weapon for CC. However, I will, someday, get the trigger re-worked...

[bannockburn]

Worst trigger in my experience was a P64. Second place goes to a KelTec PF9, followed up in third place by a T-series Browning Hi-Power.

[chriske]

I never felt anything so horrendous as a Walther P38 in DA mode.
I even strongly suspect no-one ever actually used a P38's DA.

[larryh1108]

The DA pull in my CZ70 has to be 15# or more. The SA pull is decent but the DA pull will put hair on your chest.

[marb4]

I fired a friend's Sigma and it was by far the worst trigger I've ever felt. I kept thinking a safety was on. Unbeleviably heavy and very gritty. I've passed on a couple of S&W pistol because of my experience with the Sigma.

[rodinal220]

My FS S&W M&P 9mm has a terrible pull.Weighs in at 7lbs and gets very stiff and heavy,then crunch...bang.

[Creature]

Originally Posted by Shadow 7D View Post
I nominate the P-64
30 pound DA
2.25 SA
the SA is target trigger, the DA is along the lines of one of the grip trainers, many think that the gun is broken when first trying DA.

That said, the KT P11 has been compared unfavorably to a staple gun, most though the staple gun had the better pull.
Second.
The P-64 is ridiculous.

I will also nominate the P-64. Ghastly. Although the fix (new springs from Wolff) is pretty easy.
VBVAGUY wrote:
I find it funny how many people complain of some of these guns that have long heavy triggers.

Go find a P-64 with it's original springs. Then come back here and let us know if you still feel the same way...if you are here in Virginia Beach like I am, go to Superior Gun and Pawn. They have one there for you to try out.

[schmidtundveßon]

The worst I ever shot was CZ 100.

[mavracer]

heaviest has to be a AMT Backup 45 well over 20#, that said I'd rather have heavy and smooth over stagy, mushy and inconsistant so my vote would go to XDs

[savanahsdad]

the worst I have is a glock :barf: the worst I've had was a sigma , that had to go !:barf::barf: I'm sure there are worst out there , ,but they have never made it into my house :D

[Striker]

Springfield XD .45 and Smith M&P.

[boricua9mm]

Vp70z

[Kyle M.]

Vp70z

My lgs has one of those been sitting there for 5 years for $750. I gotta say it is one of the most horrible looking guns I've ever had my hands on. The 20lb. trigger doesn't help it any either, it's like a hi-point only uglier.

[falnovice]

I have to give a vote for the vp70. First time I shot it I asked if something was broken internally.
I have shot a p-64 and did think it was that bad, but in hindsight I believe that gun had been worked over.

[jmr40]

CZ's

[Fishbed77]

I always thought the walther p99 was pretty bad.

The P99 you handled must have been:

A) Broken.

B) a P99QA model.

The P99AS has a reputation of having one of the best DA/SA triggers out there. Definitely the best trigger of any striker-fired pistol I've ever shot. The out-of-the-box SA trigger rivals that of many 1911s.

[silicosys4]

D/A on a PPK is pretty damn bad, but not as bad as my USP 45. Combine a heavy, gritty trigger pull with a polymer trigger and you get a flexy trigger thats hard to pull.

[red rick]

Keltec.

[Shadow 7D]

I find it funny how many people complain of some of these guns that have long heavy triggers. Me thinks that some of these people have weak grip and finger strength and need one of these !!! God Bless :)


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there are MANY types of 'bad' triggers
heavy is one
gritty is one
'springy' is another
long, is usually described as 'not good' but I know of many who like a staging long trigger

to call someone....
here go put this in the post and NOT that, then come back and eat crow
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[threefortyduster]

Ruger LCP.

[speedway]

Hands down, a Mosin revolver.

Need a winch to pull that trigger back.

[el Godfather]

I just dont want to lift weights or take up some strength exercise to adopt to a bad handgun. Too many good choice out there.

[Hit_Factor]

NAA Guardian is the worst I have ever tried

You just reminded me of why I sold mine. Worst ever!

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[12131]

The worst I have ever felt was a Cobra Patriot 45 ACP
Yep. Feels like you got to have a tractor trailer to pull that trigger.:eek:

[Pukindog12]

FEG PA-63. I tried one and felt the Incredible Hulk would have trouble with the DA pull. I could get the hammer to drop but I'd hate to have to do social work with it.

[Cokeman]

I was gonna say sigma. Grainy, feels like there is sand in it.

I've noticed this on other guns. What causes that?

[Thaddeus Jones]

For me, its a tie between the S&W Sigma and the S&W M&P. Lousy triggers. Gritty, spongy and long. :barf:

[Swichblade]

Out of the handguns I have shot, I would say the Glock trigger. I've practiced a lot with it, but I've never really liked it.

[trekgod3]

+1 on the Cobra Patriot 45. 12lb+ trigger pull. Terrible

[mljdeckard]

If there is one worse than the Sigma, I don't want to ever try it.

[History.Doc]

My LCP has the worst trigger of any gun I own. I really don't like shooting it.

[Mosbyranger]

Of the handguns I've fired my least favorite trigger is on the LCP. I have no experience with most of the other "popular" models mentioned in this thread.
MR

[DesertFox]

Easy. AMT Backup DAO. Might as well hand it over to the assailant to befuddle them, use hand-to-hand combat while they are struggling with the trigger. Must be 30# or better. Makes my P64 look like a hair trigger.

[Grunt]

I've had a few. In no particular order:

CZ50. The DA trigger was a BEAST and it wasn't very reliable either.
NAA Guardian. Again, heavy trigger and almost guaranteed that the last round would stovepipe.
SW99. Long, spongy, springy and just a plain nasty trigger.
Peitta 1858 Starr revolver. Yeah, a DA black powder revolver is an oddity and as heavy as the DA trigger is, I can see why it never caught on.

All of these guns I have owned are now long gone and honestly I can't say I miss any of them. I guess I would like to have the SW99 back because it was a .45 ACP model. Not that I want to shoot that POS again but they weren't made all that many years and I am sure if I sold it today, I would get more for it when I did sell it.

[Skribs]

My stock M&P was absolutely terrible. Felt like there was sand in it on the pull, and felt at least seven different "clicks" on the reset. Got an APEX kit and trigger and it feels perfect now.

[Dave1965]

Smith and wesson sv9e or 40 one. Horrible.

[gyvel]

Polish P64 in 9x18 Makarov. Worst, hardest trigger pull in history (in DA).

[SlowFuse]

No mention of the Sig P250? I see a lot of complaints on the length of pull and reset on this one.

For me it would be a Davis 22 derringer I shot a couple years ago. It really stands out. Small, slippery and stiff trigger.

[Esoxchaser]

Kahr is only DA poly gun I could ever shoot without thinking what a monumental piece of crap the trigger was.

[Skribs]

Coke, I think it has to do with rough parts in the system.

[MARKMALL]

Ruger LCP

[JSNAPS]

Sigma, nuff said.

[jackblack86]

keltec p11

[David E]

VP-70z

[Fotno]

I've shot a lot guns with sub-par triggers, but the one that sticks out in my mind was a Rohm DA revolver I fired years ago. Long, gritty and very heavy. I don't know for sure, but I reckon it was over 20 pounds.

[Cokeman]

Coke, I think it has to do with rough parts in the system.

I noticed it on the Beretta Nano.

The worst was a Cobra Derringer which is obviously not an auto loader.

Esox, I love my Kahr's trigger.

[wild cat mccane]

Ruger added an lb to the LC9 trigger over their copied original PF9....so if the PF9 wins, it really means the Ruger LC9 wins.

[mgmorden]

I've shot the following: Ruger P95, Ruger SR9, Ruger LCP, Ruger Mk1, HiPoint C9, Walther P1, Doublestar 1911, Beretta 92, SIG P6, S&W M&P 9L, Glock 17, CZ-75, CZ-82, CZ-52, M57 Tokarev, and Browning Hi-Power.

To some degree the worst could be said to be the Ruger LCP. That's the longest and heaviest, but to some degree that's intentional given what it is.

With that one aside, the other worst would be the Hi-Point, followed by the Walther P1.