Which auto loader has the worst trigger?


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el Godfather
October 7, 2012, 05:08 PM
Dear THR:
Which auto loader has the worst trigger in your opinion?

I think Sigma is pretty bad.

Thanks

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R.W.Dale
October 7, 2012, 05:10 PM
Good gun but bad trigger my nomination is the Kel-tec pf9

A sigma isn't bad at all by comparison.




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JRWhit
October 7, 2012, 05:10 PM
I was gonna say sigma. Grainy, feels like there is sand in it.

Shadow 7D
October 7, 2012, 05:19 PM
I nominate the P-64
30 pound DA
2.25 SA
the SA is target trigger, the DA is along the lines of one of the grip trainers, many think that the gun is broken when first trying DA.

That said, the KT P11 has been compared unfavorably to a staple gun, most though the staple gun had the better pull.

jonnyc
October 7, 2012, 06:06 PM
CZ52.

chris in va
October 7, 2012, 06:17 PM
P11 staple gun...I like that.:D

That, or the CZ 100 was supposed to be horrible.

Apple a Day
October 7, 2012, 06:23 PM
Taurus PT-111. I fired a Jennings-9 once and thought it was the worst. Then I found the Taurus.

Miked7762
October 7, 2012, 06:28 PM
Any of the Taurus PT-22 series.

zxcvbob
October 7, 2012, 06:36 PM
Kel-tec P3AT. I think it's a safely feature to allow pocket carry w/o a holster.

creeper1956
October 7, 2012, 06:53 PM
If we can go back several decades, the H&K VP70Z has a pretty bad trigger. It's a striker fired gun, but unlike the current crop of striker guns, the striker was not partially or pre-cocked. Instead, the trigger cocked the striker fully until release and you didn't have any mechanical advantage to make it smoother or easier.

The pull weight and let-off can be improved upon with spring tuning and part polishing... but it's still, at best, only a fair DAO trigger.

C

dondavis3
October 7, 2012, 06:59 PM
Keltec

and S&W Sigma

IMHO

:cool:

Mooseman
October 7, 2012, 08:08 PM
I have a Sigma and a P11. I would have to say the Keltec easily has the harder trigger but I think it works better for what its designed for. The Sigmas trigger works fine but if someone sold a drop in trigger group at a decent price I'd probably buy it.

mesinge2
October 7, 2012, 08:10 PM
The worst I have ever felt was a Cobra Patriot 45 ACP

RBid
October 7, 2012, 08:22 PM
Having owned a PF-9 and an LC9, I have to go with the LC9 at least being the worst of the two. I hate LC9 triggers. The break comes so far back, it feels like it's in my wrist.

skt239
October 7, 2012, 08:26 PM
Ruger LC9

Yarddog
October 7, 2012, 08:43 PM
I have a Sigma and a P11. I would have to say the Keltec easily has the harder trigger but I think it works better for what its designed for. The Sigmas trigger works fine but if someone sold a drop in trigger group at a decent price I'd probably buy it.
They Do, came out not too long ago ; ) PS Drops a few pounds & still long

Y/D

Plan2Live
October 7, 2012, 09:32 PM
For me, it's the Sigma then Kel-Tec then G-Lock.

But the absolute worst is the trigger on my Daisy Powerline Model 15xt (1911 clone). Very stiff, probably a 14 pound pull or more which is too bad because if it was a lighter trigger it would be a great gun for training new shooters as it mimicks a real semi auto very well and with a fresh CO2 cartridge it is very powerful.

browningguy
October 7, 2012, 10:02 PM
Of the pistols I own I used to think the NAA, then I got a S&W Bodyguard .380.

WRGADog
October 7, 2012, 10:05 PM
Cz rami

TennJed
October 7, 2012, 10:09 PM
NAA Guardian is the worst I have ever tried

2wheels
October 7, 2012, 10:11 PM
Worst I've tried was probably a Bodyguard .380. I know it's not a bullseye competition gun but sheesh...

colorado_handgunner
October 7, 2012, 10:18 PM
Another Sigma vote. My gosh it was awful. Turned me off to S&W for a long time.

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HDCamel
October 7, 2012, 10:24 PM
I nominate the P-64
30 pound DA
2.25 SA
the SA is target trigger, the DA is along the lines of one of the grip trainers, many think that the gun is broken when first trying DA.

That said, the KT P11 has been compared unfavorably to a staple gun, most though the staple gun had the better pull.
Second.
The P-64 is ridiculous.

smalls
October 7, 2012, 10:27 PM
Meh, I got used to my Sigma prett quick. My buddy bought a "hell cat" .380 once, and it was pretty bad

TarDevil
October 7, 2012, 10:39 PM
Which auto loader has the worst trigger in your opinion?

Not mine! :D

greyling22
October 7, 2012, 11:49 PM
I always thought the walther p99 was pretty bad.

Bush Pilot
October 8, 2012, 12:08 AM
LC9, it takes 5 mins to pull the trigger. The trigger pull on my Bodyguard in .380 is actually pretty good.

lobo9er
October 8, 2012, 12:14 AM
SIGMA
worst I have shot anyways.
heaviest trigger pull on any gun I have ever shot. Not sure what S&W was thinking on that one.

XTrooper
October 8, 2012, 05:59 AM
My personal worst was a Colt Pony I bought new in the '80s. That trigger would make your eyes bleed it was so heavy! :D

VBVAGUY
October 8, 2012, 10:10 AM
I find it funny how many people complain of some of these guns that have long heavy triggers. Me thinks that some of these people have weak grip and finger strength and need one of these !!! God Bless :)


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Batty67
October 8, 2012, 10:15 AM
The CZ RAMI takes some time to get used to for sure. I did, and love the weapon for CC. However, I will, someday, get the trigger re-worked...

bannockburn
October 8, 2012, 10:18 AM
Worst trigger in my experience was a P64. Second place goes to a KelTec PF9, followed up in third place by a T-series Browning Hi-Power.

chriske
October 8, 2012, 10:20 AM
I never felt anything so horrendous as a Walther P38 in DA mode.
I even strongly suspect no-one ever actually used a P38's DA.

larryh1108
October 8, 2012, 11:04 AM
The DA pull in my CZ70 has to be 15# or more. The SA pull is decent but the DA pull will put hair on your chest.

marb4
October 8, 2012, 11:53 AM
I fired a friend's Sigma and it was by far the worst trigger I've ever felt. I kept thinking a safety was on. Unbeleviably heavy and very gritty. I've passed on a couple of S&W pistol because of my experience with the Sigma.

rodinal220
October 8, 2012, 12:22 PM
My FS S&W M&P 9mm has a terrible pull.Weighs in at 7lbs and gets very stiff and heavy,then crunch...bang.

Creature
October 8, 2012, 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by Shadow 7D View Post
I nominate the P-64
30 pound DA
2.25 SA
the SA is target trigger, the DA is along the lines of one of the grip trainers, many think that the gun is broken when first trying DA.

That said, the KT P11 has been compared unfavorably to a staple gun, most though the staple gun had the better pull.
Second.
The P-64 is ridiculous.

I will also nominate the P-64. Ghastly. Although the fix (new springs from Wolff) is pretty easy.
VBVAGUY wrote:
I find it funny how many people complain of some of these guns that have long heavy triggers.

Go find a P-64 with it's original springs. Then come back here and let us know if you still feel the same way...if you are here in Virginia Beach like I am, go to Superior Gun and Pawn. They have one there for you to try out.

schmidtundve▀on
October 8, 2012, 12:57 PM
The worst I ever shot was CZ 100.

mavracer
October 8, 2012, 01:15 PM
heaviest has to be a AMT Backup 45 well over 20#, that said I'd rather have heavy and smooth over stagy, mushy and inconsistant so my vote would go to XDs

savanahsdad
October 8, 2012, 01:19 PM
the worst I have is a glock :barf: the worst I've had was a sigma , that had to go !:barf::barf: I'm sure there are worst out there , ,but they have never made it into my house :D

Striker
October 8, 2012, 01:35 PM
Springfield XD .45 and Smith M&P.

boricua9mm
October 8, 2012, 01:54 PM
Vp70z

Kyle M.
October 8, 2012, 01:57 PM
Vp70z

My lgs has one of those been sitting there for 5 years for $750. I gotta say it is one of the most horrible looking guns I've ever had my hands on. The 20lb. trigger doesn't help it any either, it's like a hi-point only uglier.

falnovice
October 8, 2012, 03:13 PM
I have to give a vote for the vp70. First time I shot it I asked if something was broken internally.
I have shot a p-64 and did think it was that bad, but in hindsight I believe that gun had been worked over.

jmr40
October 8, 2012, 03:47 PM
CZ's

Fishbed77
October 8, 2012, 03:54 PM
I always thought the walther p99 was pretty bad.

The P99 you handled must have been:

A) Broken.

B) a P99QA model.

The P99AS has a reputation of having one of the best DA/SA triggers out there. Definitely the best trigger of any striker-fired pistol I've ever shot. The out-of-the-box SA trigger rivals that of many 1911s.

silicosys4
October 8, 2012, 04:01 PM
D/A on a PPK is pretty damn bad, but not as bad as my USP 45. Combine a heavy, gritty trigger pull with a polymer trigger and you get a flexy trigger thats hard to pull.

red rick
October 8, 2012, 04:59 PM
Keltec.

Shadow 7D
October 8, 2012, 05:01 PM
I find it funny how many people complain of some of these guns that have long heavy triggers. Me thinks that some of these people have weak grip and finger strength and need one of these !!! God Bless :)


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there are MANY types of 'bad' triggers
heavy is one
gritty is one
'springy' is another
long, is usually described as 'not good' but I know of many who like a staging long trigger

to call someone....
here go put this in the post and NOT that, then come back and eat crow
http://www.p64resource.com/images/main_attraction.jpg
http://www.p64resource.com/images/main_attraction.jpg

threefortyduster
October 8, 2012, 05:01 PM
Ruger LCP.

speedway
October 8, 2012, 05:06 PM
Hands down, a Mosin revolver.

Need a winch to pull that trigger back.

el Godfather
October 8, 2012, 05:06 PM
I just dont want to lift weights or take up some strength exercise to adopt to a bad handgun. Too many good choice out there.

Hit_Factor
October 8, 2012, 05:10 PM
NAA Guardian is the worst I have ever tried

You just reminded me of why I sold mine. Worst ever!

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12131
October 8, 2012, 07:26 PM
The worst I have ever felt was a Cobra Patriot 45 ACP
Yep. Feels like you got to have a tractor trailer to pull that trigger.:eek:

Pukindog12
October 8, 2012, 07:36 PM
FEG PA-63. I tried one and felt the Incredible Hulk would have trouble with the DA pull. I could get the hammer to drop but I'd hate to have to do social work with it.

Cokeman
October 9, 2012, 02:52 AM
I was gonna say sigma. Grainy, feels like there is sand in it.

I've noticed this on other guns. What causes that?

Thaddeus Jones
October 9, 2012, 10:12 AM
For me, its a tie between the S&W Sigma and the S&W M&P. Lousy triggers. Gritty, spongy and long. :barf:

Swichblade
October 9, 2012, 10:41 AM
Out of the handguns I have shot, I would say the Glock trigger. I've practiced a lot with it, but I've never really liked it.

trekgod3
October 9, 2012, 12:36 PM
+1 on the Cobra Patriot 45. 12lb+ trigger pull. Terrible

mljdeckard
October 9, 2012, 12:39 PM
If there is one worse than the Sigma, I don't want to ever try it.

History.Doc
October 9, 2012, 12:40 PM
My LCP has the worst trigger of any gun I own. I really don't like shooting it.

Mosbyranger
October 9, 2012, 12:43 PM
Of the handguns I've fired my least favorite trigger is on the LCP. I have no experience with most of the other "popular" models mentioned in this thread.
MR

DesertFox
October 9, 2012, 01:09 PM
Easy. AMT Backup DAO. Might as well hand it over to the assailant to befuddle them, use hand-to-hand combat while they are struggling with the trigger. Must be 30# or better. Makes my P64 look like a hair trigger.

Grunt
October 9, 2012, 01:26 PM
I've had a few. In no particular order:

CZ50. The DA trigger was a BEAST and it wasn't very reliable either.
NAA Guardian. Again, heavy trigger and almost guaranteed that the last round would stovepipe.
SW99. Long, spongy, springy and just a plain nasty trigger.
Peitta 1858 Starr revolver. Yeah, a DA black powder revolver is an oddity and as heavy as the DA trigger is, I can see why it never caught on.

All of these guns I have owned are now long gone and honestly I can't say I miss any of them. I guess I would like to have the SW99 back because it was a .45 ACP model. Not that I want to shoot that POS again but they weren't made all that many years and I am sure if I sold it today, I would get more for it when I did sell it.

Skribs
October 9, 2012, 04:37 PM
My stock M&P was absolutely terrible. Felt like there was sand in it on the pull, and felt at least seven different "clicks" on the reset. Got an APEX kit and trigger and it feels perfect now.

Dave1965
October 9, 2012, 04:42 PM
Smith and wesson sv9e or 40 one. Horrible.

gyvel
October 9, 2012, 04:58 PM
Polish P64 in 9x18 Makarov. Worst, hardest trigger pull in history (in DA).

SlowFuse
October 9, 2012, 05:58 PM
No mention of the Sig P250? I see a lot of complaints on the length of pull and reset on this one.

For me it would be a Davis 22 derringer I shot a couple years ago. It really stands out. Small, slippery and stiff trigger.

Esoxchaser
October 9, 2012, 06:16 PM
Kahr is only DA poly gun I could ever shoot without thinking what a monumental piece of crap the trigger was.

Skribs
October 9, 2012, 07:08 PM
Coke, I think it has to do with rough parts in the system.

MARKMALL
October 9, 2012, 07:30 PM
Ruger LCP

JSNAPS
October 9, 2012, 08:29 PM
Sigma, nuff said.

jackblack86
October 9, 2012, 10:37 PM
keltec p11

David E
October 10, 2012, 12:18 AM
VP-70z

Fotno
October 10, 2012, 12:39 AM
I've shot a lot guns with sub-par triggers, but the one that sticks out in my mind was a Rohm DA revolver I fired years ago. Long, gritty and very heavy. I don't know for sure, but I reckon it was over 20 pounds.

Cokeman
October 10, 2012, 02:19 AM
Coke, I think it has to do with rough parts in the system.

I noticed it on the Beretta Nano.

The worst was a Cobra Derringer which is obviously not an auto loader.

Esox, I love my Kahr's trigger.

wild cat mccane
October 10, 2012, 05:28 PM
Ruger added an lb to the LC9 trigger over their copied original PF9....so if the PF9 wins, it really means the Ruger LC9 wins.

mgmorden
October 10, 2012, 07:06 PM
I've shot the following: Ruger P95, Ruger SR9, Ruger LCP, Ruger Mk1, HiPoint C9, Walther P1, Doublestar 1911, Beretta 92, SIG P6, S&W M&P 9L, Glock 17, CZ-75, CZ-82, CZ-52, M57 Tokarev, and Browning Hi-Power.

To some degree the worst could be said to be the Ruger LCP. That's the longest and heaviest, but to some degree that's intentional given what it is.

With that one aside, the other worst would be the Hi-Point, followed by the Walther P1.

OilyPablo
June 16, 2013, 09:30 AM
Worst in a "modern" pistol?

Easy: S&W Bodyguard .380ACP. It's just terrible, no other words needed.

osteodoc08
June 16, 2013, 09:45 AM
Auto loader? The remington 522 Viper I had as a kid. You've never shot horrible until you've shot one of those. They only made them for a few years. I know it's a 22 rifle. But it is an auto loader. :neener:

Crimp
June 16, 2013, 11:12 AM
The Ruger LC9 has the worst trigger of any pistol I've ever fired --including Kel Tecs.

Welding Rod
June 16, 2013, 11:18 AM
CZ 75 are the worst sa/da service trigger I have tried.

Robbins290
June 16, 2013, 01:02 PM
Not a fan of the lcp, was going to buy one. Shot my fathers. Bought a p238 instead. Second would be walther p99

Jessie James 58
June 16, 2013, 01:15 PM
The worst trigger I have come across is the CZ 52. To say it is bad is an understatement.

KTXdm9
June 16, 2013, 01:16 PM
I vote the LC9 or Sig P290. Looooong trigger pulls with no break or reset. Terrible.

NacsMXer
June 16, 2013, 01:41 PM
Worst in a "modern" pistol?

Easy: S&W Bodyguard .380ACP. It's just terrible, no other words needed.
I agree about the S&W Bodyguard 380. I have felt some long and heavy trigger pulls but the Bodyguard takes the cake as the worst. It is the longest heaviest trigger pull I have ever felt. You have to pull so unnaturally far back that there were several times where I couldn't even get the trigger to break when I wanted to.

Girodin
June 16, 2013, 02:33 PM
The sigma, kel tecs and their copies, etc have bad triggers. They don't even approach the P64 DA pull though is a different level of bad. Kel tec et al are great in comparison. I was going to buy one once after trying the trigger I passed. I'm curious how much the wolf springs improve it.

Owen
June 16, 2013, 02:44 PM
the old VP-70 was pretty dang awful, as were the original Grendels. The Sigma triggers got much better once the E-series was introduced.

OilyPablo
June 16, 2013, 03:12 PM
I agree about the S&W Bodyguard 380. I have felt some long and heavy trigger pulls but the Bodyguard takes the cake as the worst. It is the longest heaviest trigger pull I have ever felt. You have to pull so unnaturally far back that there were several times where I couldn't even get the trigger to break when I wanted to.

You can tell by the guys mentioning the LCP they never tried the BG380.

That gun is special. In a special class of bad. The laser quit on mine the first time out, the second time out the frame pins backed out, then the slide jammed and would not move because the cover screw for the laser battery backed out......all the time the trigger was just nasty. I actually got a full refund on mine. That was the best part of that gun! I replaced it with a Sig P238 and that shoots like a dream.

beatledog7
June 16, 2013, 03:22 PM
I had occasion to fire a Sigma and a PF9 on the same day as my CZ-75 B SA. I was ready to declare the S&W and the KelTec were broken.

They weren't.

Storm
June 16, 2013, 03:34 PM
Yup, the original Grendels. After all these years I still have nightmares that the trigger won't break when it absolutely needs to

At to the VP70Z, install a Wolff reduced power striker spring and it is a whole lot better, still not great, but a whole lot better. When the gun was the tri-burst military VP70 they used a very strong striker spring to insure the reliability of hard primered sub gun ammo. When they released the civilian Z they failed to install a reduced power spring. But yeah, the stock spring is miserable.

PabloJ
June 16, 2013, 03:54 PM
A tossup between P-63 and P-64.:barf:

Bill4282
June 16, 2013, 04:02 PM
Walther P99. Long and hard to get used to. Most know this but Glock sued S&W over the sigma calling it a copy. Glock won and S&W paid a royalty for the Sigmas sold. The trigger weight (12lb) was part of the deal. If you send your Sigma to S&W, they'll do a trigger job and it'll shoot like a Glock 5 lb trigger.

pyro073
June 16, 2013, 04:06 PM
For me, it would be a Hi-Point, the PF9 I have or the Sig P250 I used to have.

Fremmer
June 16, 2013, 04:36 PM
P1 DA has to be at least 12 or 13 pounds; when I first tried it out, I did a double take when the hammer wasn't moving, and I wondered if something was broken.

It's a bad DA trigger when you have to bite your lip and practically clench your entire hand to get the hammer moving!

MCgunner
June 16, 2013, 04:39 PM
Bad for what purpose? My P11 has the BEST trigger extant for a pocket carry self defense autoloader IMHO, long and smooth and very easy to master. It sucks for bullseye competition, but that's not its purpose. A pocket carry self defense auto should have a long, smooth DAO, not a crisp, light SA.

The DA on my P64 was unusable out of the box, but it shoots quite well now with a Wolff spring kit. However, the transition from the heavy DA to the TOO light SA is tough. That's not good. It makes double taps sometimes involuntary. :D It's a very accurate pistol, though, and after the rather cheap and easy spring change, the DA is quite easy to shoot, now, still a bit stiff, but I hit with it now. Before that spring change, it was miserable. I couldn't hit squat in DA.

The worst trigger I've got on a pistol, I guess, is a Grendel P12. I've learned to use it, but it starts out REALLY heavy and drops off. It's the weirdest trigger i've tried on an auto. Nagants aren't autos. They have the worst triggers in the entire handgun world, though, hands down. Even in SA they suck.

MTMilitiaman
June 16, 2013, 06:26 PM
The so called match trigger on my USP Tactical 45 is pretty bad, definately by far the worst trigger I've ever shot that was labeled a match trigger. It's only marginally better than the trigger on my dad's Beretta M92FS. That one holds the distinction for the worst trigger I've ever had to deal with. It's about 12 to 14 pounds, long and gritty. Really feels like dragging a cinder block across gravel with your finger...one of many complaints I have with that Italian abomination.

SpentCasing
June 16, 2013, 06:38 PM
Another vote for the P-64

I literally had to use 2 hands to pull through the DA. SA, ironically, was quite decent.

Penoe Hunter
June 16, 2013, 08:08 PM
If we can go back several decades, the H&K VP70Z has a pretty bad trigger. It's a striker fired gun, but unlike the current crop of striker guns, the striker was not partially or pre-cocked. Instead, the trigger cocked the striker fully until release and you didn't have any mechanical advantage to make it smoother or easier.

The pull weight and let-off can be improved upon with spring tuning and part polishing... but it's still, at best, only a fair DAO trigger.

C
I can second the HK VP70 unbelievable heavy gritty trigger pull

vkeith
June 16, 2013, 09:49 PM
Yet another vote for the P64 in DA with stock springs, but it's actually got a nice crisp trigger in SA.

dmazur
June 16, 2013, 10:06 PM
Do out of production models count?

I have an AMT .380 Backup which possibly could be carried safely in a pocket with keys, with the safety off.

(This is not a serious suggestion, of course. Pocket carry without a holster is asking for an ND, even if the pistol does have a 12# trigger pull... :) )

Geronimo45
June 16, 2013, 10:13 PM
PPK - the DA trigger, SA is fine. The DA trigger is damn near childproof.

MCgunner
June 16, 2013, 11:46 PM
I have an AMT .380 Backup which possibly could be carried safely in a pocket with keys, with the safety off.

I wondered when the AMT would come up. :D I've read about the miserable trigger in the zines 20 years back. They made a DAO version that was even worse from what I've read.

Another thing I forgot to mention about that Grendel P12 trigger, I don't have particularly fat fingers and I had to cut away some plastic on the trigger guard to get space for the thing to reset. Practically have to take your finger OFF the trigger for it to reset. That trigger REALLY sux and the gun isn't that accurate to boot. Neat concept at the time, but execution lacked a bit.

cslinger
June 17, 2013, 12:17 AM
HK VP70 is very much like a staple gun in feel.

Archaic
June 17, 2013, 12:50 AM
My sigma .40 was so bad I got rid of it. Felt like I was trying to lift something buried in gravel. On the flip side, I had an old Llama 1911 clone .380 that had such a light trigger when it was cocked that it would shoot if you thought the word trigger.

Both of those hit the ad bulletin muy pronto.

meanmrmustard
June 18, 2013, 09:30 AM
KelTec P11

I wouldn't wish that trigger on anyone I hated.

Brin
June 19, 2013, 11:17 AM
I vote the p64.

Orion8472
June 19, 2013, 11:29 AM
Yeah, I will have to agree with the double action pull of the P64. It is MORE than horrendous.

Dentite
June 19, 2013, 11:32 AM
P64 has a pretty strong DA pull. Then the single action pull is super light...kinda throws you off a bit.

The one DA pull I've felt that is harder the P64 is the 1895 Nagant revolver.

nathan
June 19, 2013, 12:42 PM
CZ 52 , i had two in year's past. SOld it.

Claude Clay
June 19, 2013, 12:49 PM
1895 Russian Mosin...the trigger pulls harder than the bullet hits

COP 357 (derringer) and thats if, in one stroke, you can pull the trigger

herrwalther
June 19, 2013, 03:01 PM
I have an AMT .380 Backup which possibly could be carried safely in a pocket with keys, with the safety off.

I love my AMT backup. Pounds the hand and the grip safety will pinch the web of your thumb if you aren't careful. Very smooth trigger on mine though. But I did fully strip the thing and clean out all the internal parts. Found part of a tooth under the internal hammer which was...interesting.

Worst trigger on a modern, production pistol? Glock gets my vote. I have no idea how people can rant and rave about such a crappy firearm.

Cokeman
June 19, 2013, 10:41 PM
Yeah, way worse than an AMT backup.

silicosys4
June 20, 2013, 01:10 AM
the P64 has got my vote, although the USP 45 I have is pretty bad in double action.
The P64 is literally unuseable for me in DA. Every story I've read describing how bad it is true and none are exaggerated.

saenzrich
June 20, 2013, 01:49 AM
beretta neos

orphanedcowboy
June 21, 2013, 10:56 AM
I had a Ruger P series that literally you had use both index fingers to fire it, they fixed it, but it was godawful.

My "Sigma" has a 8lb trigger that is pretty smooth, just a little heavier than my M&P.

Sent from my Tesla coil

thefamcnaj
June 21, 2013, 11:09 AM
Sigma, pf9, lc9 in that order in my opinion.

Godsgunman
June 21, 2013, 11:27 AM
Glock

MCgunner
June 21, 2013, 11:53 AM
1895 Russian Mosin...the trigger pulls harder than the bullet hits

There is no such handgun as a 1895 Mosin....but I agree with your assessment of the trigger on a NAGANT.

P64 users that hate the trigger, it's an 8 dollar fix, about. However, it doesn't fix the DA/SA transition which can often sound like a full auto. :rolleyes: I like mine, though, and after the fix, I CAN hit with it DA. :D Wolff needs to offer a stiffer trigger return spring. That would fix the transition. After the hammer spring change, the SA trigger is ridiculously light.

http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=49

Flashcube
June 21, 2013, 10:54 PM
I once had a CZ-75 that had the most inconsistent single action trigger pull I've ever experienced. Sometimes catchy, sometimes long and creepy, sometimes "woah, didn't mean for that to go off"... Even after weeks of use and dry-firing it never improved. So in my book that particular CZ-75 gets my vote...

CowardlyHero
June 22, 2013, 04:50 AM
+1 on the P-11
I will say though, after having the kel-tec for a couple years and firing/dry firing several thousand times, when I shoot my buddies revolver in DA it feels like its in SA to me.

pardiniman
June 22, 2013, 07:57 AM
I friend bought a cobra 380,I never heard of it. When I tried it I thought the safty was on.Made me happy with the firearms I have.He try some of mine and he's selling that POS

alienbogey
June 23, 2013, 02:25 AM
Any and all Glocks.

dondavis3
June 23, 2013, 08:45 AM
@ alienbogey

Boy you must not have much trigger time.

I'm not a Glock fan in any way - but their triggers aren't bad at all compared to the guns people are listing on here.

:eek:

VAPOPO
June 25, 2013, 04:21 AM
The CZ's trigger New out of the box are bad however they are the easiest pistol to perform a trigger job on that I have ever worked on and you can go expensive or just modify factory parts to get there. My P01 decocker trigger is 3lbs even S/A and 7 even DA on this pistol I went the expensive route through Cajun Gun works. On my standard CZ75B I used only factory parts and ended up with a trigger that feels almost exactly the same as the P01.

Racinfan83
June 25, 2013, 10:47 AM
I gotta go with one I haven't seen listed on here yet. I had a SIG 226 DAO in. 40 that had probably the WORST trigger I ever pulled on a handgun. Notice I said I HAD a SIG... shot that sucker one outing and traded it off. Was gonna send it in and get it changed to DA/SA - but the $260 price tag wasn't worth it. Traded for XDM. 40.... Much better...

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